10 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Yeah even my stage 2 mods with them cost me £600 deposit back in October then £205 per month interest free on the balance over 12 months.

Stage 2 is basically just downpipe with updated map ontop of cat back and intake right?

5 minutes ago, themanwithnoaim said:

Tuningbox will always be less powerful than a remap but, unless the OEM wants to spend roughly a grand on internal costs, they won't be detected. Gotta give them a big expensive warranty claim for them to do that kinda investigation.

 

A few haters are gonna tell you of all sorts of issues they've had, every single one I've asked for further details either has 2nd hand boxes or diesels. 2nd hand boxes are usually for a slightly different year/engine hence, don't work. Diesels don't respond well to tuning boxes through cold weather but, nobody likes to be told to turn down the tune hence, they get all ****ty.

 

If you want to keep your warranty, get a box, if you ain't worried about your warranty, get a remap, the choice is yours.

My gut is telling me to stay away from a box and go for the re map. I have had all of my cars mapper and never had any warranty issues as you say, would have to be a serious issue for the manufacture to dig into the END and the mapping etc, and would they actually do this....not heard of a confirmed example ever as the process and cost is too long and too high.

1 minute ago, Chris245 said:

Stage 2 is basically just downpipe with updated map ontop of cat back and intake right?

My downpipe was £600, the rest of the Milltek 3" resonated system was £1,200, the intercooler Airtec was about £600 and the Airtec cone filter replacing the original airbox and panel filter about £250 plus I had HEL braided stainless brakelines fitted with DOT 5.1 BRAKE FLUID for another £300. Total was just over £3,000 including £120 for the stage 2 remap. Hope this info helps.

1 minute ago, Chris245 said:

My gut is telling me to stay away from a box and go for the re map. I have had all of my cars mapper and never had any warranty issues as you say, would have to be a serious issue for the manufacture to dig into the END and the mapping etc, and would they actually do this....not heard of a confirmed example ever as the process and cost is too long and too high.

My standard clutch is coping easily with 336bhp at 5,250rpm and 517NM at 2,660rpm plus economy improved from 37mpg standard to 41mpg now even though my average speed commuting has increased from 34mph to current 39mph.

1 minute ago, shyVRS245 said:

My downpipe was £600, the rest of the Milltek 3" resonated system was £1,200, the intercooler Airtec was about £600 and the Airtec cone filter replacing the original airbox and panel filter about £250 plus I had HEL braided stainless brakelines fitted with DOT 5.1 BRAKE FLUID for another £300. Total was just over £3,000 including £120 for the stage 2 remap. Hope this info helps.

Ouch! I can't get my head around the £1200 for the milltek, it's just silly money, especially when a scorpion system is around £700 and from what I can tell is pretty similar in every way. I get the feeling Milltek are selling off the brand.

 

i have just fitted over the weekend my Ramair intake system and turbo elbow.

1 minute ago, Chris245 said:

Ouch! I can't get my head around the £1200 for the milltek, it's just silly money, especially when a scorpion system is around £700 and from what I can tell is pretty similar in every way. I get the feeling Milltek are selling off the brand.

 

i have just fitted over the weekend my Ramair intake system and turbo elbow.

Yes it is expensive but you can't hear anything noise wise over the standard system unless you are giving it the beans then it turns into a Golf R replica. Sounded great going round Snetterton in November apart from the 10.6MPG.Quality nearly always costs.

Just now, shyVRS245 said:

Yes it is expensive but you can't hear anything noise wise over the standard system unless you are giving it the beans then it turns into a Golf R replica. Sounded great going round Snetterton in November apart from the 10.6MPG.Quality nearly always costs.

See now I am wondering if a non res system would be better for me but I’m worried about the drone noise at motorway speeds and I’m getting conflicting opinions. I’m guessing the resonator can be retrofitted if needed.

 

My last carvwas an E63 and the noise that produced was just immense and want something similar I guess.

5 minutes ago, Chris245 said:

See now I am wondering if a non res system would be better for me but I’m worried about the drone noise at motorway speeds and I’m getting conflicting opinions. I’m guessing the resonator can be retrofitted if needed.

 

My last carvwas an E63 and the noise that produced was just immense and want something similar I guess.

I think Muzza in Glasgow fitted a Scorpion non-res system to his 245 but soon put the standard exhaust system back on his car as the drone from the non-res was too much for him.

I'd be careful putting a non resonated system onto your car. I had a Powerflow exhausts backbox fitted on my i20. It was basically a backbox with no innards and it was LOUD.

 

You never noticed it too much driving around town or doing the odd traffic light grand prix. The problem came when you went on the motorway or when I towed my trailer. The car at 70-75 was always hovering around 2500 revs and it was one hell of a drone. Then when towing, with it only having a 1.2 engine, you had to keep it in a lower gear to keep it in the power band.

 

As has been discussed on previous threads / projects, the sound deadening is non existent in the boot floor, so you'll be on a hiding to nothing.

 

I think on remus exhausts you can get an actuator to open and close the valves to get an acceptable sound. Wide open when you're in ABSO mode and closed when you're doing the daily commute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT02FFVOPrA

 

you can't half hear the difference. Have a look on that fellas youtube page. He's got a few videos of his 245

 

Edited 30 December, 20187 yr by tunedude

24 minutes ago, tunedude said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT02FFVOPrA

 

you can't half hear the difference. Have a look on that fellas youtube page. He's got a few videos of his 245

 

Yeah I have seen these and it sounds awesome but £1700 for the exhaust...nope!

 

I know what you mean about powerflow, had i. The last on my Leon Cupra R and reverted to the standard, so not tempted with that route.

 

have been in a resi car and it sounds decent but really not that much but need to hear a non-resi  to be able to make my mind up.

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

I think Muzza in Glasgow fitted a Scorpion non-res system to his 245 but soon put the standard exhaust system back on his car as the drone from the non-res was too much for him.

This is the second d time I have heard this as well.....so this King the resi system is the way to go.

 

Wonder is anyone has just removed the centre box on the standard exhaust?

3 minutes ago, Chris245 said:

This is the second d time I have heard this as well.....so this King the resi system is the way to go.

 

Wonder is anyone has just removed the centre box on the standard exhaust?

Your main problem is coming from an AMG V8 to a turbo 4 pot which is designed to be quiet not AWESOME like the Merc, horses for courses.At 54 years old my days of anti-social back boxes are long behind me. My old Ibiza Gti 16V witha Magnex 150mm x 75mm exhaust sounded like a V8 TVR even on tickover LOL.

10 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Your main problem is coming from an AMG V8 to a turbo 4 pot which is designed to be quiet not AWESOME like the Merc, horses for courses.At 54 years old my days of anti-social back boxes are long behind me. My old Ibiza Gti 16V witha Magnex 150mm x 75mm exhaust sounded like a V8 TVR even on tickover LOL.

This is very true, but I still just crave a nice sounding car. The Remus fits the bill but not at the money and the milltek is just too much so thinking Scorpion resi at the moment.

1 hour ago, Chris245 said:

This is very true, but I still just crave a nice sounding car. The Remus fits the bill but not at the money and the milltek is just too much so thinking Scorpion resi at the moment.

I think the non resonated (valves open in the remus vid) is going to be seriously irritating constant drone wise hence comments about some changing the system back to res. Remus provides the best of both worlds but is pointless spending the money. Sorry but non res on a 4pot just screams one thing lol. It's never gonna be remotely close to the amg v8 so why even pretend it could be?

I have a mate with a proper C63 last of the norm aspirated V8, its ecu and mct mapped running proper aftermarket lsd. He's on the standard exhaust and its hardly quiet  

i understand changing stuff to help performance but noise for no gain other than a headache, irritating others and announcing you're having fun to potentially the wrong people is beyond me. Up to you though of course

4 hours ago, Scotty72 said:

I think the non resonated (valves open in the remus vid) is going to be seriously irritating constant drone wise hence comments about some changing the system back to res. Remus provides the best of both worlds but is pointless spending the money. Sorry but non res on a 4pot just screams one thing lol. It's never gonna be remotely close to the amg v8 so why even pretend it could be?

I have a mate with a proper C63 last of the norm aspirated V8, its ecu and mct mapped running proper aftermarket lsd. He's on the standard exhaust and its hardly quiet  

i understand changing stuff to help performance but noise for no gain other than a headache, irritating others and announcing you're having fun to potentially the wrong people is beyond me. Up to you though of course

I get exactly what you are saying, maybe it’s just the child in me still...I dunno LOL.

 

I had a C63 before the E and I know what you mean, there is just no point changing the exhausts on them, make no difference in performance or sound.

 

Will almost certainly be getting a result-Scorpion system I think.

10 hours ago, Chris245 said:

.... and would they actually do this....not heard of a confirmed example ever as the process and cost is too long and too high.

 

I can be your confirmed example.

 

Long story short.  My car was remapped after warranty.  It developed a coolant fault.  After some red herrings, the actual fault was found to be the coolant check valve.

 

Senior staff at my local Skoda agreed that on the balance of probability, the coolant check valve was likely to have failed during the warranty period (i.e. pre remap) so they agreed to consider it a warranty claim.  Before the CCV fault was discovered, I'd collected the car from Skoda, awaiting parts.  Some 20 minutes after collecting the car, on my homebound journey, I experienced catastrophic turbo failure.

 

At the moment,  I have agreed to meet £250 of the overall costs, which are quite considerable.  Skoda have confirmed there is no link between the remap and CCV failure.  It's just an unfortunate set of circumstances.

 

The warranty claim has gone to Skoda UK, but has subsequently been rejected because a TD1 Marker has been found.  Worth remembering here that the remap was post warranty, that the CCV failure likely happened during warranty, and was almost certainly a factor in the turbo's demise.

 

The final outcome of all this is not yet resolved, but there you go for a confirmed example.

 

Gaz

 

15 minutes ago, V6TDI said:

 

I can be your confirmed example.

 

Long story short.  My car was remapped after warranty.  It developed a coolant fault.  After some red herrings, the actual fault was found to be the coolant check valve.

 

Senior staff at my local Skoda agreed that on the balance of probability, the coolant check valve was likely to have failed during the warranty period (i.e. pre remap) so they agreed to consider it a warranty claim.  Before the CCV fault was discovered, I'd collected the car from Skoda, awaiting parts.  Some 20 minutes after collecting the car, on my homebound journey, I experienced catastrophic turbo failure.

 

At the moment,  I have agreed to meet £250 of the overall costs, which are quite considerable.  Skoda have confirmed there is no link between the remap and CCV failure.  It's just an unfortunate set of circumstances.

 

The warranty claim has gone to Skoda UK, but has subsequently been rejected because a TD1 Marker has been found.  Worth remembering here that the remap was post warranty, that the CCV failure likely happened during warranty, and was almost certainly a factor in the turbo's demise.

 

The final outcome of all this is not yet resolved, but there you go for a confirmed example.

 

Gaz

 

Has, that is just seriously unfortunate on several levels and I feel your pain. Just has to spend out £9k on my old E63 to replace the engine of the oil pump failed and seized the bottom end resulting a a full rebuild required but couldn’t get parts from Merc so needed a replacement second hand engine in the end.

 

I guess what I mean is a confirmed example of an engine failure of problem that is a direct result of a map and the dealers digging into finding out that this is the case.

Interesting thread this, enjoyed reading through it.. I came from a stage 3 Corsa VXR with a non-res exhaust and as good as it sounded, was too much for long distance motorway journeys.  I went for the Remus with the sound controller for the Octy and absolutely LOVE it.  With the valves closed, it's quiet as standard.  Valves opened and it becomes an absolute monster.. Even driving around with it opened at 10% gives it a nice little grumble without being a nuisance.

 

My next plan is for a remap, hence being drawn in by the title! I've read a lot on the tuners for VAG cars and the same 3 names are always repeating themselves: Revo, APR and Shark

Digged a little deeper and personally, it sounds to me like Shark is the way to go.  I get the impression that Revo and APR focus more on chasing figures and Shark map more for a whole picture.. Longevity, economy, performance.

 

Keep in mind that if you have DSG, it'll be recommended you have that updated along with the remap to make the most of it.. Only problem is it'll add another £300~ to your bill.

I can see myself being mapped in 2019.. I just can't decide if to go stage 1 just now, or straight to 2 with uprated downpipe and air intake.. all very expensive items!

1 hour ago, Baillie said:

Interesting thread this, enjoyed reading through it.. I came from a stage 3 Corsa VXR with a non-res exhaust and as good as it sounded, was too much for long distance motorway journeys.  I went for the Remus with the sound controller for the Octy and absolutely LOVE it.  With the valves closed, it's quiet as standard.  Valves opened and it becomes an absolute monster.. Even driving around with it opened at 10% gives it a nice little grumble without being a nuisance.

 

My next plan is for a remap, hence being drawn in by the title! I've read a lot on the tuners for VAG cars and the same 3 names are always repeating themselves: Revo, APR and Shark

Digged a little deeper and personally, it sounds to me like Shark is the way to go.  I get the impression that Revo and APR focus more on chasing figures and Shark map more for a whole picture.. Longevity, economy, performance.

 

Keep in mind that if you have DSG, it'll be recommended you have that updated along with the remap to make the most of it.. Only problem is it'll add another £300~ to your bill.

I can see myself being mapped in 2019.. I just can't decide if to go stage 1 just now, or straight to 2 with uprated downpipe and air intake.. all very expensive items!

 

Yes it has been interesting and getting different peoples views etc. I do have DSG and will at some point to the software map on that, but I do mostly motorway miles so can cope for now ha!.....Plus the DSG is an awful lot better that the 7G box in the my E63, they are a bit rubbish TBH.

I'm gonna go map and cat back for now, just gonna go for the Scorpion system I think, its a balance of economy and finance and will give what I want I'm sure.

 

The Remus sounds awesome on the youtube vids but not for £1700!! 

2 minutes ago, Chris245 said:

 

Yes it has been interesting and getting different peoples views etc. I do have DSG and will at some point to the software map on that, but I do mostly motorway miles so can cope for now ha!.....Plus the DSG is an awful lot better that the 7G box in the my E63, they are a bit rubbish TBH.

I'm gonna go map and cat back for now, just gonna go for the Scorpion system I think, its a balance of economy and finance and will give what I want I'm sure.

 

The Remus sounds awesome on the youtube vids but not for £1700!! 

I've only ever experienced DSG in the Octavia.. My only gripe with it is how it downshifts to 1st at around 6mph.. Very annoying when going over speed bumps or slowing down at lights to take off again.  I've heard the DSG update will stop the car engaging 1st until it's come to a complete stop.. handy!

 

Please keep us updated with where you get your map done, experience found etc! .. Exhausts are very much subjective- at the end of the day, they all give very similar, if not the same performance results.  If it's just some extra noise you're looking for, could speak with a custom exhaust shop and they can remove the silencer for much cheapness.

13 hours ago, themanwithnoaim said:

Not my experience but, then over 2 cars I've only brought 5 items but obviously, your single purchase carries more importance

 

Not in the slightest, but once bitten was personally enough for me not to use them again (this decision was based partly on their tuning box constantly over fuelling, despite numerous tests over a couple of thousand miles, but mainly due to their CS and blatant lies)

 

13 hours ago, themanwithnoaim said:

A few haters are gonna tell you of all sorts of issues they've had, every single one I've asked for further details either has 2nd hand boxes or diesels. 2nd hand boxes are usually for a slightly different year/engine hence, don't work. Diesels don't respond well to tuning boxes through cold weather but, nobody likes to be told to turn down the tune hence, they get all ****ty.

 

If you want to keep your warranty, get a box, if you ain't worried about your warranty, get a remap, the choice is yours.

 

Certainly not a hater of a decent tuning box, I fitted a s/h Dragon Digital box fitted to out Golf TDi, that was on for over 6 years and performed faultlessly.

 

I will ALWAYS sing the praises of a good product or CS, no matter what it is, however when it’s sh*te I will warn others of it’s pitfalls also

2 hours ago, Baillie said:

I get the impression that Revo and APR focus more on chasing figures and Shark map more for a whole picture.. Longevity, economy, performance.

 

I've no experience of APR or Shark,  but have also read and heard from others that Shark suggest going to 285-290bhp, and for that you may get a smoother, more progressive map.  My view is that chasing figures may well be right, but then I don't drive everywhere at 300+bhp, so I'm not sure if it's of any real consequence.

 

What does interest me is people's comments about mpg.  Mainly because post remap, mine are (perhaps unsurprisingly) all over the shot.  An enthusiastically driven tank (I was experimenting) saw 23mpg, and a more sensibly driven tankful immediately after, saw 36mpg.  I did a 40 mile round trip to Brighton a couple of days ago and saw 42mpg.  According to Fuelly, my best ever tank was 44.4mpg, so the only conclusion I can draw is that my mpg hasn't really changed much unless I'm giving it more beans than usual.

 

Gaz

 

 

38 minutes ago, V6TDI said:

 

I've no experience of APR or Shark,  but have also read and heard from others that Shark suggest going to 285-290bhp, and for that you may get a smoother, more progressive map.  My view is that chasing figures may well be right, but then I don't drive everywhere at 300+bhp, so I'm not sure if it's of any real consequence.

 

What does interest me is people's comments about mpg.  Mainly because post remap, mine are (perhaps unsurprisingly) all over the shot.  An enthusiastically driven tank (I was experimenting) saw 23mpg, and a more sensibly driven tankful immediately after, saw 36mpg.  I did a 40 mile round trip to Brighton a couple of days ago and saw 42mpg.  According to Fuelly, my best ever tank was 44.4mpg, so the only conclusion I can draw is that my mpg hasn't really changed much unless I'm giving it more beans than usual.

 

Gaz

 

 

Exactly what I'd read as well.  Regardless, an increase from 220bhp to 280 - 290 is still plenty to feel a very noticeable difference.

 

There's so many variables with mpg.  With my Corsa as standard, I was hitting 28mpg and wouldn't go any higher.. Stage 1 I saw 31mpg and Stage 3 was 35mpg.  I never had it fluctuate like you though but again, that could be down to a difference in temp, amount of air in your tyres, quality of fuel used that day etc..

3 hours ago, V6TDI said:

 

I've no experience of APR or Shark,  but have also read and heard from others that Shark suggest going to 285-290bhp, and for that you may get a smoother, more progressive map.  My view is that chasing figures may well be right, but then I don't drive everywhere at 300+bhp, so I'm not sure if it's of any real consequence.

 

What does interest me is people's comments about mpg.  Mainly because post remap, mine are (perhaps unsurprisingly) all over the shot.  An enthusiastically driven tank (I was experimenting) saw 23mpg, and a more sensibly driven tankful immediately after, saw 36mpg.  I did a 40 mile round trip to Brighton a couple of days ago and saw 42mpg.  According to Fuelly, my best ever tank was 44.4mpg, so the only conclusion I can draw is that my mpg hasn't really changed much unless I'm giving it more beans. 

 

Gaz

 

 

 

Shark stage 1 in Dec 17, 3 runs of 292/295/297 Bhp and each with over 350lb torque on 3 year old plugs and air filter. It is very smooth and fun to drive with no problems. I avoided the local REVO map quoted at 305-310Bhp as mine isn't a DSG. Clutch is still good although I don't do traffic light grand prix, it has great in-gear pull in all gears and still has excellent economy. It required no extra cost and unless it's for track use, I don't know if the cost of Stage 2-3 is of real benefit.