Hi,

New to the site and considering buying a 2017/2018 Octavia Estate.

 

I will be doing lots of motorway driving and need a family car. Can't decide between 1.6 or 2.0, manual or automatic.

 

Can anyone offer any advice on MPG?

Will the 1.6 have enough power on the motorway, previously owned a 1.6 Passat saloon that struggled?

 

Any advice would be appreciated.

 

Thanks

Had a 2010 1.6tdi manual. 105bhp 5 speed. I believe the year your looking at is 110hp and 6 speed, I may stand corrected.

 

It averaged 47mpg over 30k odd. It was a fine cruiser but as you've mentioned (with your passat) it did struggle a little when fully loaded. If I were in the market then I'd look for the 2.0l just to give that extra bit of power. Found myself having to plan with the 1.6 for overtakes and more often than not waiting for suitable gap in motorway traffic. 

 

Just converted to DSG from manual and I'm a convert. 

I've had my 64-plate 2.0TDI manual for nearly a year now and am averaging just over 52mpg.  My daily commute is a 35 mile round trip but in lots of traffic, stop start etc.

I did a run from Essex to Wales and averaged 65mpg so it's a lot better when it gets to stretch it's legs a bit

Edited 15 February, 20197 yr by Russ77

I had a 1.6tdi DSG 64 or 65 plate before the current 2.0tdi DSG the previous would return circa 510 miles to each full tank, driving to and from work on the day to day basis. On a run up to the coast I could get it up to 65mpg plus if I was good (lol)

 

The 2.0 is currently returning about 450 to 485 miles to the full tank, however I do have the heated seats on below 4 degrees, so that is often of late, but it sounds to me like you are almost convinced on the 2.0 TDI over the 1.6  I'm also a convert to the DSG it's a no brainer, on my second now will definitely replace it with another when the time comes 

2.0l all the  way. Far more poke and al.ost the same mpg imho. 

Maybe better just to choose the best car that you can find with the spec that you want in either 1.6 or 2 litre TD. Last car I had was a 1.6TD mk3 Octavia Estate, great motorway car, 60mpg without too much bother and I would sometimes have the car loaded up to the roof in the back with heavy boxes, the car didn't struggle at all driven on motorways. Saying that the downside of the 1.6 engine is Skoda cut one corner too many and only gave it a five speed manual box which has huge gaps in its gear ratios. In town driving my car couldn't manage 4th gear for most of the time if it was a 30mph limit, 4th gear is kind of highly geared, nearer to 5th gear in many cars and 5th gear is probably nearer 6th gear. 

If going for a dsg I would go for 2.0tdi as the 6 speed dsg is more reliable that the dry 7 speed dsg on the 1.6

On 16/02/2019 at 11:49, wiilydog said:

If going for a dsg I would go for 2.0tdi as the 6 speed dsg is more reliable that the dry 7 speed dsg on the 1.6

Are there reliability issues with the 7 speed DSG on the 1.6? 

I've owned a couple of VAG 2.0TDi's and couple of 1.6TDi's manual and DSG. Passat, Golf and Octavia.

 

My thoughts are.

 

Forget the 1.6TDi as a manual as it comes with a 5 speed box which has a poor action and the ratios are too widely spaced.

 

The 1.6TDi DSG is easily the most economical motorway car I've had and I regularly get 60mpg+ on my commute. I've seen over 75mpg on a A road run to the coast.

The performance off the line isn't that much different to my old Passat 2.0Tdi 140DSG, only half a second difference to 62,  but the Passat had more grunt for overtaking. 

 

But here's the kicker, I've run many DSG cars, all the wet clutch models have been faultless and three out of the four dry clutch models have required expensive repairs.

 

If economy is key the the 1.6TDI DSG is a great choice but I wouldn't own a DSG DQ200 without a good warranty.  

 

But saying all that if I was buying today I would go for a TSi. 

 

Lee

Hi Lee,

 

Sorry what model Octavia Estate would have the DSG DQ200 ?

 

Would you still go for TSI using for long motorway runs daily. I'm be using it for work and I'm a sales Rep so doing 25k a year.

 

I'm looking at a year or 2 old max, so warranty will be an issue as the car will be out of warranty. How much did your repairs cost?

 

Any more info would be great

Edited 27 February, 20197 yr by Kevx

5 hours ago, Kevx said:

Hi Lee,

 

Sorry what model Octavia Estate would have the DSG DQ200 ?

 

Would you still go for TSI using for long motorway runs daily. I'm be using it for work and I'm a sales Rep so doing 25k a year.

 

I'm looking at a year or 2 old max, so warranty will be an issue as the car will be out of warranty. How much did your repairs cost?

 

Any more info would be great

 

It's easy to know which gearboxes are fitted to the Mk3 Octavia. Anything 2 litre will have a wet clutch DSG, all other engines have the DQ200 7 speed dry clutch box.

 

At 25k miles then yes diesel is the rational choice.

 

Typical repairs are clutch packs at around £1500-£2000, Mechatronics at around £2000-£2500 and gear selectors at £750-£1250.  My current car has has two gear levers, two clutch packs and a mechatronic. All done under warranty as I had the optional 5 years manufacturers warranty.

 

The dry clutch and wetclutch boxes drive differently too, the wetclutch will happily creep and slip the clutches, the dry clutch box will always engage clutches as quickly as possible so feels crisper at the expense of smoothness.

 

You will have to drive both and see what you prefer and I'd look at extended warranty options.

The petrol vs diesel 'chat' can go on and on.  I have a 2.0tdi(150)dsg and 80% of the time wish I had gone tsi vrs.  The reports on here on the return of 2.0tsi are around the low to mid 40's mpg. Some even higher.  Mine is currently at 46.x and I mostly try to drive on the economical side.

With the cost difference of petrol being cheaper (120p/l vs 129p/l as of jan, 7.5%) and the assumption of 45mpg for a 2.0tsi you would need to achieve +48.3 on the 2.0tdi to make it worth while.

The current suggestion seems to be the 2.0tdi over the 1.6 so the margin is quite close, particularly when the feel of the engine is taken into account.

 

Edit: Plus there is the option of the 2.0tsi(190) non-vrs (SE-L?).

Edited 27 February, 20197 yr by MarkyG82

I'm surprised at MPG being low on the 2.0ltr, from what I have read online I was expecting 50+ mpg from the non VRS model.

 

My main motivation for looking at the Octavia vs others cars was good MPG. I'm looking at SE L variant not VRS. 

 

Should I only be expecting 40mpg - 45mpg from 2.0ltr SE L?

1 hour ago, logiclee said:

 

It's easy to know which gearboxes are fitted to the Mk3 Octavia. Anything 2 litre will have a wet clutch DSG, all other engines have the DQ200 7 speed dry clutch box.

 

At 25k miles then yes diesel is the rational choice.

 

Typical repairs are clutch packs at around £1500-£2000, Mechatronics at around £2000-£2500 and gear selectors at £750-£1250.  My current car has has two gear levers, two clutch packs and a mechatronic. All done under warranty as I had the optional 5 years manufacturers warranty.

 

The dry clutch and wetclutch boxes drive differently too, the wetclutch will happily creep and slip the clutches, the dry clutch box will always engage clutches as quickly as possible so feels crisper at the expense of smoothness.

 

You will have to drive both and see what you prefer and I'd look at extended warranty options.

How old is your current vehicle, this sounds very expensive??

 

6 minutes ago, Kevx said:

Should I only be expecting 40mpg - 45mpg from 2.0ltr SE L?

 

How old is your current vehicle, this sounds very expensive??

 

2.0tsi yes.  2.0tdi should be able to get over 50 but mine doesn't for some reason.  On a run it will easily do that but then a couple of shorter journeys soon brings the average down.

Mine is late 2014 so a couple of years older than you are looking at but pretty sure the engine is the same.

Edited 27 February, 20197 yr by MarkyG82

Should I be concerned about running into clutch problems with a 2.0ltr SE L DSG TDI (2017/2018) If so I may look at alternative vehicles. 

 

I plan to change car every 3/4 years?

For diesel, go for 2.0 DSG, no question. The 150bph engine is good enough for all situations, the wet-clutch DSG is proven to be very reliable if oil is changed on schedule.

 

I get lifetime average of 53mpg over my almost 2 years of ownership on my '63 reg 2.0 TDI DSG with 18inch wheels. But 70% of usage is during winter with winter grade diesel. My summer MPG is usually 55-60. I guess my MPG is good because I commute 60 miles a day, about 27 of which is on the motorway.

 

 

But I think for a newer car, you should buy a petrol hybrid or electric. Forget Skoda, go for a Toyota/Lexus hybrid, they are superbly refined and very economical.

 

The Skoda diesel 2.0 TDI DSG needs £500 on timing belt + waterpump every 5 years. It also needs £190 DSG oil every 40k miles. The Toyota hybrids get better petrol MPG and doesn't need these extra expenses.

 

EV is even more economical. During summer, I commute my 60 miles in a cheap and cheerful first-gen Nissan Leaf EV, though it only has 110bhp motor, it feels a LOT faster than many 150bhp I always drive. Unlike fossil fuel cars, I never needed to plan my overtake when driving EV, always instant power, instant throttle response. Plus, it's very VERY economical, £2 for my commute vs £6 in the Skoda and £8 in my previous Mercedes C220.

9 minutes ago, Kevx said:

How old is your current vehicle, this sounds very expensive??

 

On the DQ200 faults I've had the following.

 

Fabia, clutch judder and clutch replacement at 2 years and 12k miles.

Yeti, clutch slip in 3rd and 5th  at 2 years and 20k miles. Returned at end of lease with fault.

Octavia clutch slip in 2nd and 4th at 3 years old and 20k miles. Clutch pack replaced but then unable to select gears, mechatronics replaced but same fault again. changed clutch pack again and been OK since. Gear lever was replaced for flaking chrome but the replacement started throwing up errors so that was also replaced.

5 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

For diesel, go for 2.0 DSG, no question. The 150bph engine is good enough for all situations, the wet-clutch DSG is proven to be very reliable if oil is changed on schedule.

 

I get lifetime average of 53mpg over my almost 2 years of ownership on my '63 reg 2.0 TDI DSG with 18inch wheels. But 70% of usage is during winter with winter grade diesel. My summer MPG is usually 55-60. I guess my MPG is good because I commute 60 miles a day, about 27 of which is on the motorway.

 

 

But I think for a newer car, you should buy a petrol hybrid or electric. Forget Skoda, go for a Toyota/Lexus hybrid, they are superbly refined and very economical.

 

The Skoda diesel 2.0 TDI DSG needs £500 on timing belt + waterpump every 5 years. It also needs £190 DSG oil every 40k miles. The Toyota hybrids get better petrol MPG and doesn't need these extra expenses.

 

EV is even more economical. During summer, I commute my 60 miles in a cheap and cheerful first-gen Nissan Leaf EV, though it only has 110bhp motor, it feels a LOT faster than many 150bhp I always drive. Unlike fossil fuel cars, I never needed to plan my overtake when driving EV, always instant power, instant throttle response. Plus, it's very VERY economical, £2 for my commute vs £6 in the Skoda and £8 in my previous Mercedes C220.

I will be doing a lot of motorway driving most days 200 mile round trips in some cases. Do you think I would still see saving in hybrid Vs diesel. I claim all business miles back from my employer 

23 minutes ago, Kevx said:

Should I be concerned about running into clutch problems with a 2.0ltr SE L DSG TDI (2017/2018) If so I may look at alternative vehicles. 

 

I plan to change car every 3/4 years?

 

The wetclutch 6 speed DSG on the 2.0TDi 2017/18 is the DQ250 which is probably the most reliable dual clutch transmission on sale as long as it's had it's scheduled servicing. The box needs an oil change every 40k

 

One of my Passat's my father in law has now, it's a 2.0TDi with DQ250 box and has done 120k miles with around 20k of those miles towing.

Edited 27 February, 20197 yr by logiclee

3 minutes ago, Kevx said:

I will be doing a lot of motorway driving most days 200 mile round trips in some cases. Do you think I would still see saving in hybrid Vs diesel. I claim all business miles back from my employer 

 

I do a 60 mile motorway commute. My workmate who I car share with used to have a Prius. 

 

As we both usually sit around 80mph I could push 60mpg where his Prius sat at around 40mpg.

 

The newer ones with bigger batteries may be better and they are great around town but for maintained high speed motorway work his Prius was poor on fuel. In fact our 3rd car sharer had a 3.0V6 275PS Jag XF at the time and that was more economical on our commute than the Prius. 

2 minutes ago, Kevx said:

I will be doing a lot of motorway driving most days 200 mile round trips in some cases. Do you think I would still see saving in hybrid Vs diesel. I claim all business miles back from my employer 

Volkswagon-Audi-Group (VAG) diesels are about middle of the pack for economy when you factor in extras such as DSG oil change. For high mileage motorway, diesels are probably still the best for economy. But I'd try to find a car that doesn't require much extra maintenance work every few thousand miles.

 

I'm pretty sure DQ250 need an oil change every 40k miles.

1 hour ago, logiclee said:

 

The wetclutch 6 speed DSG on the 2.0TDi 2017/18 is the DQ250 which is probably the most reliable dual clutch transmission on sale as long as it's had it's scheduled servicing. The box needs an oil change every 40k

 

One of my Passat's my father in law has now, it's a 2.0TDi with DQ250 box and has done 120k miles with around 20k of those miles towing.

So based on the age of vehicle and model I am looking at I shouldn't face too many problems? 

3 hours ago, MarkyG82 said:

The petrol vs diesel 'chat' can go on and on.  I have a 2.0tdi(150)dsg and 80% of the time wish I had gone tsi vrs.  The reports on here on the return of 2.0tsi are around the low to mid 40's mpg. Some even higher.  Mine is currently at 46.x and I mostly try to drive on the economical side.

 

Hmmmm mid 40mpg, yeah right, I don't granny mine about though

 

http://www.fuelly.com/car/skoda/octavia/2017/themanwithnoaim/656953

53 minutes ago, themanwithnoaim said:

Hmmmm mid 40mpg, yeah right, I don't granny mine about though

 

http://www.fuelly.com/car/skoda/octavia/2017/themanwithnoaim/656953

Wow looking at the link, the VRS is out of the question!!!