The Official Brexit Thread - The Transition Period.

[john999boy]

This is in effect thread no.3. 

Kindly keep to the topic without veering too far away and it will be allowed to continue.

Edited 3 February, 2020 by john999boy

[KenONeill]

@CWARD - OK, point taken. Keeping wealth creation jobs was one factor in my vote.

[@Lee]

Not sure why there are now 200,000 more children living in absolute poverty than the previous year if the economy's doing so well and there are a record number of people in employment. Govt definition of employment is doing one hours work per fortnight, BTW.
https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/media/blog/last-year-saw-living-standards-stagnate-and-poverty-rise/

[@Lee]

I still haven't seen anyone explain how Britain will be better off outside the EU.
As BoJo said "We'll make a Titanic success of it".
All the lies have been exposed now and when it's all stripped back it's plain to see that there aren't any benefits. Not ONE.
They've had two and a half years now and still, after all they said, all they've got is blue passports and Sovereignty (which we never lost).

[KenONeill]

27 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

As BoJo said "We'll make a Titanic success of it".

People who wear bad syrups last!!!  

[Aspman]

33 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

As BoJo said "We'll make a Titanic success of it".
 

 

Those with mistresses first, larger families to support what-ho!

 

I suspect we could have been in a much better position all round either stayinging or leaving in an orderly fashion if Westminster hadn't gone full echo chamber on this and just used the whole thing as a career opportunity (Bojo, Gove, and many others) or just the chance to have a bit of political fun (Mogg).

 

Edited 28 March, 2019 by Aspman

[@Lee]

1 minute ago, Aspman said:

 

Those with mistresses first, larger families to support what-ho!

 

I suspect we could have been in a much better position all round either stayinging or leaving in an orderly fashion if Westminster hadn't goin full echo chamber on this and just using the whole thing as a career opportunity (Bojo, Gove, and many others) or just the change to have a bit of political fun (Mogg).

 

Who knows? I know one thing though; handing in the A50 notification without so much as a fag packet plan was a colossal mistake.

[@Lee]

7 minutes ago, KenONeill said:

People who wear bad syrups last!!!  

Michael Fabric*%!
 

[CWARD]

25 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

Not sure why there are now 200,000 more children living in absolute poverty than the previous year if the economy's doing so well and there are a record number of people in employment. Govt definition of employment is doing one hours work per fortnight, BTW.
https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/media/blog/last-year-saw-living-standards-stagnate-and-poverty-rise/

 

Not sure what is to do with Brexit but I'll bite. The biggest rise in inequality was from the mid eighties and in the early nineties you can see the house pricing bubble effect where the two lines start to diverge.

 

 

The measure of absolute poverty has suddenly risen in 2017. The graph above shows the increase in disposable income which appears the opposite of the graph you posted.

 

You would also expect a correlation in relative to absolute poverty in your graph but again none as you can in the relative poverty graph below

 

 

This is probably key to the sudden rise in absolute child poverty 

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Child poverty rose

Today’s poverty results were not straightforward. The figures include a range of poverty measures: we can look at different groups; incomes can be assessed before or after housing costs; poverty can be relative (below 60 per cent of the new median) or absolute (below 60 per cent of the 2010-11 median, in real terms); and we may also look at material deprivation or persistent poverty. On top of this, single-year changes may be the result of chance.

 

On the subject of Brexit not as major effect on the figures than the new range of poverty measures they have introduced. 

 

[@Lee]

 

[@Lee]

Did someone mention The Lisbon Treaty (which came into force in 2009)
 

 

[CWARD]

1 hour ago, Lee01 said:

 

 

Good old project fear

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/does-eu-say-its-safe-eat-chicken-rinsed-chlorine/

 

Chlorine washed salad is ok though

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It's not consuming chlorine itself that the EU is worried about - in fact in 2005 the European Food Safety Authority said that "exposure to chlorite residues arising from treated poultry carcasses would be of no safety concern". Chlorine-rinsed bagged salads are common in the UK and other countries in the EU.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47440562

 

EU high food standards - anyone for free range chicken 

https://www.peta.org.uk/features/this-is-free-range/

 

You think all your meat is from nice , happy animals on picturesque farms in the EU

 https://www.eurogroupforanimals.org/chinese-poultry-meat-preparations-likely-to-get-cheap-access-to-eu-markets-without-consideration-for-animal-welfare

 

How about some nice Brazilian meat 

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/eu-report-findings-support-brazilian-meat-ban-says-ifa-1.3246162

Shame they on,y did an audit after China banned imports of meat from Brazil. 

 

Tumbled Chicken

Red Lice Chicken pesticide 

Salmanella eggs

Horse meat

 

Don't forget your veggies with a nice side of cancer

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bayer-glyphosate-lawsuit/bayer-shares-sag-after-u-s-jury-verdict-in-roundup-cancer-trial-idUSKCN1R917E

EU Approved through 'cough' independent research 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/15/eu-glyphosate-approval-was-based-on-plagiarised-monsanto-text-report-finds?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

Bon appetite. 

[@Lee]

12 minutes ago, CWARD said:

 

Bon appetite. 

Didn't you post all that guff in the previous thread or are you having memory problems?

[xman]

Tomorrow's Vote is apparently reworded to comply with Mr Bercow's rules

 

"Accept the Withdrawal Agreement or lose your Easter Holiday in the Maldives/South of France which would have started on April 4"

 

I wonder which way the MP's will vote?

 

Edited 28 March, 2019 by xman

[CWARD]

11 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

Didn't you post all that guff in the previous thread or are you having memory problems?

 

Yes, I did had you but you obviously do have memory problems still as you’d forgotten it all again hence your factually incorrect video. 

BTW you call it guff but it’s everyone else’s reality in EU approved packaging in the supermarket chiller.  

[@Lee]

30 minutes ago, CWARD said:

 

Yes, I did had you but you obviously do have memory problems still as you’d forgotten it all again hence your factually incorrect video. 

BTW you call it guff but it’s everyone else’s reality in EU approved packaging in the supermarket chiller.  

Dude, the vid I posted is only two days old so it's new to the table. 
Which parts of it are factually incorrect? 

EDIT: @CWARD, I've spent some time on the other thread trying to find your reasons for leaving but alas, I cannot find them.
Would you care to remind us all again please or are you afraid they'll be debunked?

[@Lee]

 

[J.R.]

Whats wrong with horse meat? Duck is the closest to red meat that I eat nowadays but loved cheval before.

 

Re the poverty figures, did you know that the poverty line is set as a a percentage of the average household income? As a country gets richer then the poorly named poverty line rises.

 

I lived for a decade in France on half of the poverty line income, I had never lived so well in my life, I simply cut out the uneccessary and extravagances.

 

Off topic but I hope not too controversial!!!

[CWARD]

4 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

Dude, the vid I posted is only two days old so it's new to the table. 
Which parts of it are factually incorrect? 

 

Making out that EU food standards are somehow safe, which as shown in my previous post are anything but. It also doesn’t take into account that the US consumes, not surprisingly, nearly 3 times as much chicken as the UK. 

The UK produces most of its own meat and the biggest exporter into the UK is the Netherlands. It’s also one of the biggest meat producers in the EU. The Dutch brought these to you:

https://mercyforanimals.org/netherlands-kills-300000-hens-after-eggs

 

https://actions.sumofus.org/a/chicken-labelling-netherlands

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/dec/06/chicken-tumbling-water-industrial-practice-additives?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

https://www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/news/netherlands-finds-second-banned-chemical-on-chicken-farms-as-cost-of-scandal-spirals/

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/chicken-meat-test-netherlands-egg-contaminated-pesticides-fipronil-dutch-aldi-a7882511.html

 

https://www.vaessen-schoemaker.eu/functionality/yield/

 

 

[Ootohere]

 

 

[CWARD]

15 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Whats wrong with horse meat? Duck is the closest to red meat that I eat nowadays but loved cheval before.

 

Nothing wrong with horse meat if you know that’s what you’re eating. Paying for beef but ending up with some poor old nag upsets a lot people just like eating dogs. 

[gadgetman]

Are we there yet mum? 

[@Lee]

30 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

Are we there yet mum? 

Not quite. Tell the kippers there's gonna be a few more toilet breaks than anticipated 

[Ootohere]

Many more hundreds of millions to be offered to the DUP to have the support of the 10 MP's, and to constituencies / MP's that will vote as required.

It will billions that gets pledged just to be sure that the decision goes the way tomorrow that Theresa May MP / PM wants.

[@Lee]

2 hours ago, CWARD said:

 

Making out that EU food standards are somehow safe, which as shown in my previous post are anything but. It also doesn’t take into account that the US consumes, not surprisingly, nearly 3 times as much chicken as the UK. 

The UK produces most of its own meat and the biggest exporter into the UK is the Netherlands. It’s also one of the biggest meat producers in the EU. The Dutch brought these to you:

https://mercyforanimals.org/netherlands-kills-300000-hens-after-eggs

 

https://actions.sumofus.org/a/chicken-labelling-netherlands

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/dec/06/chicken-tumbling-water-industrial-practice-additives?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

https://www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/news/netherlands-finds-second-banned-chemical-on-chicken-farms-as-cost-of-scandal-spirals/

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/chicken-meat-test-netherlands-egg-contaminated-pesticides-fipronil-dutch-aldi-a7882511.html

 

https://www.vaessen-schoemaker.eu/functionality/yield/

 

 

Bit of a Gish gallop there.....................
What's three times sweet FA?