John999boy:

You've nailed that one on the head with the guidelines. 

Pretty daft/pointless comparing 2 vehicles that are not direct competitors, with resulting irrational arguments and further comparisons. 

Edited 7 October, 20196 yr by Gmac983

2 hours ago, MC Bodge said:

Were you around in the 80s? Do you know what Skoda were like? 

 

I have owned 3 Mondeos (Mk1, 3 & 4) and my Dad owned a Mk2. I didn't buy a current model Mondeo, as they have moved away from what I want, and I was a bit fed up of having a wide car that needed to be squeezed into many parking spaces, hence the Octavia, but the Fiesta and Focus are still very good handling cars, if more insulated than the older ones. 

 

I've owned my Octavia for 6 months and despite it being good at some things, and having tried to rectify some of the shortcomings, I have yet to form any sort of attachment to it. It is what it is -a cheapened VAG car 

 

 

 

He he...   Yes I was around in e 80s and do remember what both marques were like at that time...   

 

But having driven both o!d and new fords I wouldn't spend my own money on one...   Simple as that and my choice and opinion.  I'm by no means tied to Skoda which is why I didn't buy another one in the last year but I was closer to buying one than I was a Ford...   

On 07/10/2019 at 06:55, Alex-W said:

This could be summarised slightly easier.

 

The most powerful engines in both cars are 2.0 petrol turbos producing around 240bhp.

 

The Mondeo weighs 200kg more than the Octavia.

 

The Octavia is therefore quicker.

 

Seeing as this is the single most important factor in any car, it's quite easy, the Octavia is better.

 

The end.  

The Octavia is a smaller car in a lower class, it's supposed to weigh less. Not sure how weighing less could possibly make it a better car ?

 

You cannot get a 250/40 hp Mondeo and haven't been able to for years. Otherwise I would have got one for work before the Octavia. I am talking petrol, diesel us for large  4x4 only as far as I'm concerned and they should ban them on cars weighing less than 1750kg 😰

On 04/10/2019 at 17:50, logiclee said:

 

I think it's the word "Quality" that's difficult to define.

 

Does it mean the stuff that's fitted doesn't break, or is it the touch and feel of the materials, or how things look?

 

Audi is lower in the jdpower list than Skoda and sitting in Audi you certainly don't get the feeling of lower quality and usually Audi's on the same platform will use higher spec components.

The quality of ride and refinement in my Brother in Laws A4 S-Line is certainly a few levels above that of my old MK3 Octavia,

 

So what are we looking at with the JD Power results especially with Peugeot being 1st as most of their interiors are done by Fisher Price.

 

I think in the Mondeo and Focus some of the plastic surrounds look and feel very cheap, but in other areas like the audio quality is far superior especially on the higher spec models.

 

So is JD power rigged or are we looking at expectations? I'm still not sure.

 

The survey is totally idiotic no less. Peugeot are cheap (but overpriced) crap tack although might be very slightly better now. Skoda are far better but cheaped down VW/Audi in all trim and finnish aspects. They could never be more reliable than a VW or Audi version just not possible, same mechanics with a few locally sourced parts weakening them slightly. Like wheel bearings etc! 

 

I have owned most on there and never experienced any warranty problems with Audi or BMW or Honda and the refinement and quality of the German cars was levels above others. Next is Ford (German built)  Vauxhall and Toyota then Skoda. Only had the one Skoda as they used to be just about the worst and most embarrassing  pile of crap you could buy. Obviously they are just VW's Dacia now although a level or two above those horrible things. 

On 07/10/2019 at 22:56, skomaz said:

 

He he...   Yes I was around in e 80s and do remember what both marques were like at that time...   

 

But having driven both o!d and new fords I wouldn't spend my own money on one...   Simple as that and my choice and opinion.  I'm by no means tied to Skoda which is why I didn't buy another one in the last year but I was closer to buying one than I was a Ford...   

Have you ever owned a Ford? 

On 07/10/2019 at 08:55, JamiePvrs said:

Finally, someone who can simplify this highly complex debate hahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Pity it's wrong. You don,t have to read it if it bored you. 

On 07/10/2019 at 21:14, Gmac983 said:

John999boy:

You've nailed that one on the head with the guidelines. 

Pretty daft/pointless comparing 2 vehicles that are not direct competitors, with resulting irrational arguments and further comparisons. 

That was the topic? Your right they are different cars. The Octy

doesn,t fit as it's really a small hatchback platform with the advantages and disadvantages of that. It,s competitors are really Golf, Leon, Focus, Astra etc. But you have to try to forget it's got a bigger boot. Estate versions no problem much the same size.

Edited 9 October, 20196 yr by teescom09

9 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

Pity it's wrong. You don,t have to read it if it bored you. 

I know what is boring me..........

3 minutes ago, JamiePvrs said:

I know what is boring me..........

Let me guess likes FORDS buys a SKODA.

Just to add something else in for the hell of it - 

 

My parents (now in their 70s) quite often say things that I discount as a bit out of touch or silly.  Annoyingly however they are more often than not actually correct.  I've therefore learnt to listen.

 

They quite like the Ford Kuga as it would fit their needs, however wont buy one as it's a Ford.

I asked why..  the answer is simple.  Every single car that they happen to follow behind that stinks (ie is burning oil) is either a Ford or a BMW.

 

I discounted this as not true and put it down to them just not liking the brand from years past.  Then I started to notice....  they're bloody right.  Every  time..  it's a ford or a BMW (I exclude the odd occasion I end up behind some kind of classic car that is bound to burn a bit).

 

I think the BMW element is more down to the fact that often they're treated especially badly from the start by people that think BMWs are all race cars.  

 

19 minutes ago, JamiePvrs said:

I know what is boring me..........

Enough that you're glued to it 😂

4 minutes ago, Alex-W said:

Just to add something else in for the hell of it - 

 

My parents (now in their 70s) quite often say things that I discount as a bit out of touch or silly.  Annoyingly however they are more often than not actually correct.  I've therefore learnt to listen.

 

They quite like the Ford Kuga as it would fit their needs, however wont buy one as it's a Ford.

I asked why..  the answer is simple.  Every single car that they happen to follow behind that stinks (ie is burning oil) is either a Ford or a BMW.

 

I discounted this as not true and put it down to them just not liking the brand from years past.  Then I started to notice....  they're bloody right.  Every  time..  it's a ford or a BMW (I exclude the odd occasion I end up behind some kind of classic car that is bound to burn a bit).

 

I think the BMW element is more down to the fact that often they're treated especially badly from the start by people that think BMWs are all race cars.  

 

Really? Seriously ! 😭

44 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

Skoda are far better but cheaped down VW/Audi in all trim and finnish aspects. They could never be more reliable than a VW or Audi version just not possible

 

 

The difference is that the Skoda's tend to get the older 'proven' technology which means they can be more reliable than the VW / Audi's with the newer stuff.

44 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

Have you ever owned a Ford? 

 

Yes - not at this moment in time - although we do still have Fords within the family (eg my sister has a Kuga that she's hoping to get rid of after just 18 months due to problems).

16 minutes ago, Alex-W said:

Just to add something else in for the hell of it - 

 

My parents (now in their 70s) quite often say things that I discount as a bit out of touch or silly.  Annoyingly however they are more often than not actually correct.  I've therefore learnt to listen.

 

They quite like the Ford Kuga as it would fit their needs, however wont buy one as it's a Ford.

I asked why..  the answer is simple.  Every single car that they happen to follow behind that stinks (ie is burning oil) is either a Ford or a BMW.

 

I discounted this as not true and put it down to them just not liking the brand from years past.  Then I started to notice....  they're bloody right.  Every  time..  it's a ford or a BMW (I exclude the odd occasion I end up behind some kind of classic car that is bound to burn a bit).

 

I think the BMW element is more down to the fact that often they're treated especially badly from the start by people that think BMWs are all race cars.  

 

That's very true the last smoke emitting car Iwas behind was a Ford Mondeo.

1 hour ago, teescom09 said:

have owned most on there and never experienced any warranty problems with Audi or BMW or Honda and the refinement and quality of the German cars was levels above others. Next is Ford (German built)  Vauxhall and Toyota then Skoda. Only had the one Skoda as they used to be just about the worst and most embarrassing  pile of crap you could buy. Obviously they are just VW's Dacia now although a level or two above those horrible things. 

Vauxhall? Seriously?... are truly awful cheap and nasty, as far as I'm concerned ranked bottom of the pile. 

In regards bmw quality/reliability, my uncle loves his Beemers and usually runs his cars for 8 to 10 years, he is on his second 635d and it will be his last due to the cataclysmic unreliability of this current one and the previous one he had also(has also owned a couple of 3 series prior to the 6 series' which were excellent just to be objective). 

My own experience (and many others up north) of Audi's both as manufacturer and dealer network is very very poor. 

Honda's used to be supreme but are far from that now, they seem to have lost their way somehow. For example all of the issues they are having with their 1.5 turbo petrol engines. 

I really think you should refrain from continuing to belittle and argue down others just because they do not aline with your own clearly biased views 

1 hour ago, teescom09 said:

Enough that you're glued to it 😂

Hahahahahaha of course!!!! 

1 hour ago, skomaz said:

 

The difference is that the Skoda's tend to get the older 'proven' technology which means they can be more reliable than the VW / Audi's with the newer stuff.

 

Yet they still can't make a car with door seals that work 😀

 

Just for reference I had a Mk3 Mondeo 2.2 tdci Titanium X that I sold for the Mk2 facelift Octavia VRS CR. The Mondeo was getting old and tatty but 100% reliable, great mpg and comfortable all the things the Octavia didn't turn out to be. It ended up a complete lemon nit helped by the dealers and sold off at a loss to save my sanity. All other cars since have been faultless.

1 hour ago, Gmac983 said:

Vauxhall? Seriously?... are truly awful cheap and nasty, as far as I'm concerned ranked bottom of the pile. 

In regards bmw quality/reliability, my uncle loves his Beemers and usually runs his cars for 8 to 10 years, he is on his second 635d and it will be his last due to the cataclysmic unreliability of this current one and the previous one he had also(has also owned a couple of 3 series prior to the 6 series' which were excellent just to be objective). 

My own experience (and many others up north) of Audi's both as manufacturer and dealer network is very very poor. 

Honda's used to be supreme but are far from that now, they seem to have lost their way somehow. For example all of the issues they are having with their 1.5 turbo petrol engines. 

I really think you should refrain from continuing to belittle and argue down others just because they do not aline with your own clearly biased views 

Either your just being silly or maybe you’re not very old and lack a bit of experience, not trying to be personal but you did it yet again, just can’t resist can you. I have first hand experience of the cars I refer too, not my grandad had one or my uncle. I don’t make comments on cars I  have no experience ir evidence off. Your description  of Vauxhall is bull****. Not worth arguing about BMW on this site. 
 

TOP selling car last month? not a Skoda, they’re not even in top 10. It’s the Vauxhall Corsa !!! Outsold the Fiesta by 10% not bad for a awful cheap nasty car ehh?  Unfortunately now owned by PSA.  
 

And how have Honda lost their way? I mean the Type R is crap isn’t it? 
 

I never had any problems with Audi they were first class with of mine. but a couple of serious issues with Skoda service which   I won’t go into. Pots and kettles there. 

Edited 9 October, 20196 yr by teescom09

Re Corsa, sold to Vauxhall and leased and back as used and cheap soon. FIESTA, car not choc ice or jazz mag sold to Ford and leased back on sale as used soon. Same with so many in the top ten. Fleet, lease, finance. Motability.   Pre reg.   Let's see once tariffs go on if the cars are priced more honestly and not with ridiculous RRP, s and mega discounts. And HMRC kidoligy. 

Edited 9 October, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

1 hour ago, Roottootemoot said:

Re Corsa, sold to Vauxhall and leased and back as used and cheap soon. FIESTA, car not choc ice or jazz mag sold to Ford and leased back on sale as used soon. Same with so many in the top ten. Fleet, lease, finance. Motability.   Pre reg.   Let's see once tariffs go on if the cars are priced more honestly and not with ridiculous RRP, s and mega discounts. And HMRC kidoligy. 

Don’t know if that’s correct but majority are private sales. All sold regardless and ultimately to customers who have a huge choice. They are free to buy cheaper Skoda equivalents but choose not to. 

If there are any tarriffs It will make Qashqai, Juke, leaf,  JLR, Astra, Mini, Corolla,   Civic (for now) and top supercars  etc far more attractive, well not the Juke that’s impossible. Be a strain to the system, buying british to support Britain like all other eu countries do with their own products. Im game for that, JLR for fun car and Qashqui for work. Was fancying one anyway. 

Edited 9 October, 20196 yr by teescom09

If you do not know if it is correct, then maybe find out,  Car Dealers for Manufacturers that really are Money Lenders.

This is a comical thread. 

 

It is about manufacturers of cars, not religion.... 

24 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

Don’t know if that’s correct but majority are private sales. All sold regardless and ultimately to customers who have a huge choice. They are free to buy cheaper Skoda equivalents but choose not to. 

If there are any tarriffs It will make Qashqai, Juke, leaf,  JLR, Astra, Mini, Corolla,   Civic (for now) and top supercars  etc far more attractive, well not the Juke that’s impossible. Be a strain to the system, buying british to support Britain like all other eu countries do with their own products. Im game for that, JLR for fun car and Qashqui for work. Was fancying one anyway. 

You got the spelling slightly wrong it's CASHCOW.

On 14/09/2019 at 15:22, shyVRS245 said:

I bought a 1990 MR2 GT in 1992 (no ABS) and it's handling wasn't fun but VERY SCARY. Thing nearly killed me twice, lucky to be able to tell the tale.

Bet you wish you still had it, worth a few quid now. Probably out handled most other stuff at the time. Was it knackered?