24 minutes ago, Roottootemoot said:

VW might never cheat, imagine being caught deceiving the world,

 

We all know VAG are cheating hoors. But what, have Ford never dropped a bo11ock too? 

Look at the US Pinto, they viewed it as cheaper to pay the lawsuits than actually fix the car. 

And then there's the exploder and many more in between. 

 

Edited 3 October, 20196 yr by Gmac983

4 minutes ago, Alex-W said:

As I say, I think many of the cars at the top of that list would fall off it after 10 years or so life and the top cars will would be probably jap stuff, maybe Mercedes too.  

 

Mercedes for sure would fall of it. They are a dead stick nowadays for quality and reliability. 

Top Skoda fab boys / girls who whould split your spleen and rupture your kidneys & make you do the chicken for talking against the top Skoda or pointing out some fundamental design or manufacturing common faults of the multi award winner might be Yeti owners.

 

Multi award winner from EVO in 2010, Honest John in 2011 and on and on.

Sold less than 900,000 world wide, and discontinued. but a design classic, lots of fans, they just never bought them, some bought a few.

Edited 3 October, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

I may concede slight fan boyism on my old vrs but not so much on my yeti (it blew its turbo at 9 months and 7k miles and also suffered from the zinc problem which arnie/skoda told me to get knotted on, the turbo they were very helpful on ). As far as the new bear goes, too early to say really but I like it, I like it a lot... so far... 

Edited 3 October, 20196 yr by Gmac983

6 minutes ago, Gmac983 said:

 

Mercedes for sure would fall of it. They are a dead stick nowadays for quality and reliability. 

 

I seem to see a fair few older c or e class on the road going well.   Mind you, people probably take much better care of a car like that than they would a Mondeo so that's probably got a lot to do with it.

You have a fair point there. Although how old were the c's and e's you refer to? The older the better with mercs, go far enough back and they were genuinely indestructible. 

Late 90s to early 00s I tend to see fairly often.

Much before that in the UK and tbh anything is only on the road due to tlc as everything rusts on the salted roads!

 

My father in law drives a '94 mx-5 with 250k on the clock on his 20 mile commute every day with little to no problems.  Now that is reliability that's worth something I think, not whether the gear knob needed replacing under warranty or not.

 

You hear of cars now and again that do really well. One chap (local entrepreneur) up my way had a regular run to London amongst many other journeys and clocked up a similar quarter mil on his rover 75, he always reckoned it was the most comfortable car he'd ever had (and he had a fleet of Daimler jags to pick from as well). Another one was our local cattle A.I. man who was literally never of the road, he had a Peugeot 205 1.9d which when it finally expired had something outrageous like 360'000 miles on it. 

Edited 3 October, 20196 yr by Gmac983

11 hours ago, Gmac983 said:

You hear of cars now and again that do really well.

Some of them are Octavias:

 

Skoda Octavia | 2002 model | 500,000 miles review

 

 

 

And a Mondeo:

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/anything-goes/half-million-mile-mondeo

 

1 hour ago, OldBoyScout said:

Some of them are Octavias:

 

Skoda Octavia | 2002 model | 500,000 miles review

 

 

 

Remapped and still going strong on the original turbo after nearly 432,000 miles.

3 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Remapped and still going strong on the original turbo after nearly 432,000 miles.

 

In the future I'd like to see a 12 year old Euro 6 Mk3 with half a million miles.

 

It's the tech and emission kit now that cause most of the problems. 

Edited 4 October, 20196 yr by logiclee

15 minutes ago, logiclee said:

 

In the future I'd like to see a 12 year old Euro 6 Mk3 with half a million miles.

 

It's the tech and emission kit now that cause most of the problems. 

Going to take me 40 years to get to 500,000 miles so will update you in 2057 when I'm 93.

As others have said the jdpower survey is for buyers of new cars who sell them before the warranty runs out.

 

This one is for 2 to 10 years old buyers of used cars. The Superb makes the list.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-7452129/Kia-Sportage-named-best-used-car-UK-drivers.html

I only grabbed the jd power survey for arguments sake, as I have done one myself a very long time ago and to show general trends. 

With skoda typically placing much higher than Ford, which was what the argument was about I thought (skoda v Ford quality). 

39 minutes ago, Gmac983 said:

I only grabbed the jd power survey for arguments sake, as I have done one myself a very long time ago and to show general trends. 

With skoda typically placing much higher than Ford, which was what the argument was about I thought (skoda v Ford quality). 

 

I think it's the word "Quality" that's difficult to define.

 

Does it mean the stuff that's fitted doesn't break, or is it the touch and feel of the materials, or how things look?

 

Audi is lower in the jdpower list than Skoda and sitting in Audi you certainly don't get the feeling of lower quality and usually Audi's on the same platform will use higher spec components.

The quality of ride and refinement in my Brother in Laws A4 S-Line is certainly a few levels above that of my old MK3 Octavia,

 

So what are we looking at with the JD Power results especially with Peugeot being 1st as most of their interiors are done by Fisher Price.

 

I think in the Mondeo and Focus some of the plastic surrounds look and feel very cheap, but in other areas like the audio quality is far superior especially on the higher spec models.

 

So is JD power rigged or are we looking at expectations? I'm still not sure.

 

3 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Going to take me 40 years to get to 500,000 miles so will update you in 2057 when I'm 93.

This thread will still be going lol

3 hours ago, logiclee said:

So is JD power rigged or are we looking at expectations? I'm still not sure.

 

I think expectations is exactly right. Or to be more specific, people's perceived expectations of their chosen vehicles. Someone who bought a Dacia will have a much lower expectation of how good (or high quality) their car is compared to say a BMW or a Mercedes (both of which have placed lower than Dacia incidently). 

Quality can be many things to many people. Some may view reliability above all else as high quality which leads to cars being soulless appliances. Others may view the touch/feel (as you said) as high quality and then trade of some reliability for that depending on price point as very rarely can you have your cake and eat it. Or driving dynamics (Alpha Romeo) or capabilities (land rover) as high quality over and above reliability. 

I think it's abit of a stretch /paranoia to say that all of these surveys are a fix. 

Edited 4 October, 20196 yr by Gmac983

On 01/10/2019 at 21:57, Alex-W said:

For the record the Rover 200 was basically a Honda Concerto, the later 400 was an Mb civic.   The 600 was an Accord.  So, a good portion was actually decent and reliable.

Rover just put some of their own engines in and swapped some body panels...  the K, the T and L series.  K was excellent but vulnerable in cooling design which caused HG failure if there was a cooling issue.  

Much of the rest was direct Honda parts.

The 75 was very much BMW.

I loved my 200, but I got an earlier 1.6 with the Honda D series for reliability.   

It was a joint venture with heavy AR involvement. It was not all Honda by any means. Early cars maybe but later absolutely not. The Honda,s were made in same lines as AR cars. A Legend followed by maestro then Montego then 800 etc, built by exactly the same robots.

Edited 6 October, 20196 yr by teescom09

On 01/10/2019 at 21:05, Gmac983 said:

Nah mine was a 220 sdi so never had the kettle boiling. 

Not guilty. 

Have never been involved in the motortrade, not unless you count skimming the odd brake disc or flywheel. 

Although was beginning to think you worked for Ford teescom09🤔

For whatever reason some people see a critisism of their prized pile off rip metal as an affront on their desision making capabilities. I critisism my own cars no matter what the make. I have owned most brands and critisised all because all are far from perfect. The Skoda product is generally a cheaped down VW product. Most purchased because they are cheaper than the VW equivalent. An attraction is when they make a bigger variation like the Octavia hatchback which stands out as almost a unique product. If VW or Seat were given that car Skoda sales would drop dramatically I am sure. 

 

On 02/10/2019 at 08:49, logiclee said:

 

I didn't feel the diesel suited the 75, it was course and unrefined as most diesels were at the time and the 75 was supposed to be a refined cruiser. The 2.5V6 and the 1.8T petrols were pretty decent for the day.

BMW diesels of that era wern't refined and not the best around by any means. Turbo failure was very common. Rover should have stuck with Perkins. 

Last week a BMW Main Dealership charged me £160 to look at the idrive that just died at 4 years old.

They wanted more money to put it back together so i could get the car back if they were not getting to fit a new one.

The health check showed a leading arm bush as needed and that was quoted at £386. 

Well thats done with lots less money changing hands by an independent for the actual part price and profit making hourly rate and VAT paid.

 

As to the Idrive, they wanted to see more on my service history as not all was at main dealers but still done at VAT registered places with OEM parts.

Eventually they will say no good will on the near £2,000 they want to fit a new one, 

just as well how to is on Youtube, but i have a proper trained tech and much cheapness to buy the part outwith the Dealer Network.

Edited 6 October, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

Look teescom09. 

You seem to be taking personal offense to various comments on this thread. 

You have your own seemly strong opinions/views (which you are perfectly entitled to as is everyone else on here I might add after all it is a forum to discuss mainly skoda based topics) . 

I was not at anytime stating that my choice of skoda was better than anyone else's.

What I did say was, I do not agree with your opinion that Ford is leagues ahead of skoda and I certainly did not agree with your view that Audi is worth the price premium over skoda for what in broad terms is basically the same vehicles. Not to mention substandard service from local Audi agent. I am entitled to that opinion as I have owned both, so I pays my money and takes my choice. 

I am not going to agree with you, so please stop trying to argue/belittle me into submission. 

Edited 6 October, 20196 yr by Gmac983

And as far as my 220sdi and "kettle boiling" comment. I thought it was a witty response to the frequent old K series headgasket issue, since my 200 had the L series diesel lump of clog iron instead. Obviously my humour missed the mark. 

4 hours ago, teescom09 said:

An attraction is when they make a bigger variation like the Octavia hatchback which stands out as almost a unique product. If VW or Seat were given that car Skoda sales would drop dramatically I am sure. 

 

 

Definitely an attraction is the product for me, the boot on the Octavia is huge and it offered me practically with some fun and for my budget I could get a pretty new car.  I can get kids in the back with ease unlike a golf/focus sized car.

 

I can't say I'd have gone seat or vw if there wasn't that difference though.

I accept that there's things that they certainly may do better (not convinced on seat as every one I've been in seems lesser spec than the Skoda) but to me the Octavia seems pretty refined and does everything a car should do.

I don't mind paying more money for something but I want something tangible, do the only ones from those marques that appeal are the Leon cupra 300 and golf R as they're more power and 4wd.

I would have liked a golf R estate, I must confess, but it was £6k more to buy and that's a lot of money to spend on something that'll do the same job 99% of the time.

 

If anything the Octavia is too refined, as all modern cars are.  They all feel so much more distant from the driving experience.

 

But everyone has their own wants.

I know somebody who will only buy Mercedes, partly because of the badge I think but also, aesthetics of the dash are also important to him.

Having everything super smooth and whisper quiet is also important.   I hold no value in either...  Each to their own!

 

Edited 6 October, 20196 yr by Alex-W