Don't see how, as I said I work in software, I did a degree in computer science covering all these issues

And you also seem to make the assumption that you're the only one in this situation...

ok that artical is talking about a signature, but point stands regarding not forming a contract with a verifiable e-mail address so I'd be sure you could get reasonable doubt in a court.

'tis a different thing - e-mail has no "context". The posts on here do - such that over a prolonged period of time a traceable history of someone's activity (which can be cross-referenced to other sources of activity) could be established.

Rob.

Random quotes from random threads......

280bhp & 300lbs ft, bloody hell Dave what have you done to it? .....already!

Is it really anymore underhand than him trying to get warranty work done on the car without admitting it is modified?

Puts the stirring spoon back in the drawer.....

0Strewth,I hope skoda don't come poking my pipes now

Reading a forum is one thing, that would really be underhand

As we know (some longer than others) Skoda UK visits here, and makes notes. Obviously this can benefit some, and penalise others.

What this issue will have done is to cause those who have already made changes to their new toy to either cack themselves over whether they too will be warranty voided or remove the changes. It will also cause those who were in the process or thinking about it to re-evaluate their decision.

It also highlights a good reason why number plates should be hidden, and perhaps also that keeping schtum about what you may have done is often a good practise.

Indeed Andy

That's why my SDI is a mod free zone

And you also seem to make the assumption that you're the only one in this situation...

'tis a different thing - e-mail has no "context". The posts on here do - such that over a prolonged period of time a traceable history of someone's activity (which can be cross-referenced to other sources of activity) could be established.

Rob.

Not assuming that

Just saying I'd be pretty sure that you could put up enough reasonable doubt, which is all you need in court. I mean what are you going to cross reference against and is IP logging followed by tracking legal, especially when there is no privacy policy stating it is done etc etc.

Well you did before Tony tried chaging it

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Anyway I know where you are comming from and you where I am comming from. Think lawyers would have a field day and make large sums off both sides

Think i'll let this one die now though as it's at 11 pages

This whole thread raises another important question. If you modify, or in some way appear to go outside warranty rules, does the lapse of warranty only apply to the particular bits involved?

Case in point - some years back I got a nearly new 2nd-hand Rover coupe, still in warranty. I decided I'd do my own basic servicing as I liked to oil change often in those days when my knees still worked.

After some time, still in warranty, I noticed the speedo sticking on 0 quite often, then suddenly coming to life when I got to about 50 mph. So I went to have it fixed and was told because I was doing my own servicing it wasn't covered.

So I went ballistic and asked how me doing regular oil and plug changes affected a speedo head? No answer. So I threatened serious publicity to local and national papers and TV. Response? New speedo. Free.

This whole thread raises another important question. If you modify, or in some way appear to go outside warranty rules, does the lapse of warranty only apply to the particular bits involved?

If followed to the letter, the entire warranty is invalidated...as previously mentioned, proving what is and isn't affected by some modifications would be a time consuming arguement for all parties involved. Hence the clear rule that the entire warranty is invalidated is in place...whether dealers notice unrelated modifications or not is a different matter...

After some time, still in warranty, I noticed the speedo sticking on 0 quite often, then suddenly coming to life when I got to about 50 mph. So I went to have it fixed and was told because I was doing my own servicing it wasn't covered.

So I went ballistic and asked how me doing regular oil and plug changes affected a speedo head?

The warranty includes a clause which states that you must have work carried out by a VAT-registered garage and using parts of a "high-enough quality" in order for the warranty to be maintained. Not sure if Rover would've had this clause at the time, but now that it exists the likelihood of the above turning out in your favour could possibly be reduced...

Rob.

If excessive revs are held' date=' it logs a fault code which translates as "over-revved, warranty invalidated".

Rob.[/quote']

Complete rubbish. if that was the case my warranty would have been invalid the day after I picked the car up brand new as it had an MOT, which on a diesel requires the engine to be held at maximum revs for a set period of time.

Complete rubbish

Wow, you know how to be diplomatic...

if that was the case my warranty would have been invalid the day after I picked the car up brand new as it had an MOT, which on a diesel requires the engine to be held at maximum revs for a set period of time.

Please take the time to read this post - it is based on personal experience by the poster on an Octy vRS. So no, it may not apply to diesels, but I wasn't aware this thread was about diesels...but I think you'll find it's far from being "complete rubbish".

Rob.

It's getting towards the end of April and Skoda have realised that they are potless with regard to the warranty fund and they are trying to get something back.

When I was on a warranty course (non Skoda) they told me about how they refused a claim for a second engine (I won't say what make it was - Japanese and popular for track days), because basically the owner had shopped himself by having a picture of his car at a local event in the newspaper.

This whole thread raises another important question. If you modify, or in some way appear to go outside warranty rules, does the lapse of warranty only apply to the particular bits involved?

Legally, yes. The moment you modify your car, or fit non Skoda-approved parts, the warranty is null and void. That's the legal position.

HOWEVER - Skoda UK aren't entirely clueless - they know that rigid enforcement of the Terms and Conditions where a fault is not related to the modifications would be PR suicide. I believe that Skoda have done the right thing here - AIUI the warranty is on "hold". if Dave can prove that his car (a) isn't modified or ( has a modification which is unrelated to the current problems, then they will re-instate the warranty. That sounds fair to me. Or am I missing something?

:eek: Just got to the end of the thread 48mins:eek:

Dave, hope it all gets sorted soon, and your warrenty reinstated.

Sorry just thought, didn't Skoda remap their Octy mk1 Vrs press cars?

Lots of interesting comments here. I would just like to clarify, I am not in the process of a warranty claim.

by the sound of things its not an event you will be experiencing till you change your car...

by the sound of things its not an event you will be experiencing till you change your car...

meow

Mine's survived pretty well over the past 4 years...it's amazing how pristine they stay when you keep them in a box in the loft...

One of my standard speakers failed.

I dropped it out of the loft hatch when I moved house :(

Hope they don't find out I put a Kia engine in my Octy and flogged the 2.0FSI engine

What is all the fuss about here?

You say SUK are being underhand...........surely you are guilty of that yourself too?

You had a remap. Did you tell your dealer......? Did you tell your insurance company?

If the answer to any of these is "NO" its you that was underhand in the first instance!

Furthermore, since posting about it on here, you have attempted to erase evidence of your actions by deleting posts andf altering "your skoda" sig!

I would suggest you "suck it up" as the yanks say, take it on the chin, be the big man whatever cliche you want to use, and just get on with enjoying your car! Otherwise you will waste your time removing the map, changing the ECU and possibly still get nowhere with them, better to just get on and enjoy the damn thing IMO! Look aftert he car and it will see you through three years cheaply enough anyway.

Not the case perhaps in your case, but some people get revo maps and the like so as to fool their insurance companies, dealers etc, and such remap companies make cash selling the tools that are used in most cases to are used to con people,whether it be dealers for warrnaty, insurance companies or even the next owner of a car when they sell it on, (one careful owner guv, never raced or rallied.female vicar had it before you know!)

Now wheras you situation may be slightly different, remmapping in MOST instances is an underhand mod many would say.

If your beef is not so much being nabbed but HOW you were nabbed, (as I suspect it is by your replies in many cases), well it just makes you seem a bit churlish if you dont mind me saying! If you have been caught out, unwittingly fessing yourself up on the net, well it's really no ones fault but your own..........!?!!

Of course it couls also be that someone on here "grassed you up!" to SUK? Have you upset anyone on your travels?

Now, just accept it is all your own fault, then say "I dont give two hoots" and go out and waste some scoobies!!

.... remmapping in MOST instances is an underhand mod many would say.

Do you know what a remap is ?

Here is a hint to skoda' date=' maybe you should stop using grundig to make the stereos as they appear to unable to make one that lasts three years.[/quote']

They have, the new ones are made by Ford :eek:

and they are far worse than the Grundig ones ever were IMHO!

hang on, what if skoda UK decided to view other sources of info?

what if they decided to search google groups for all posts that your email address had made, as an example, and treat you differently as a result?

I think they're on a sticky wicket here. I wonder what'd happen if you wrote to them and asked for all information that they have stored on you under the data protection act?

They can't charge more than a "reasonable Fee" for that either which is a pretty low amount. Think thats well worth doing

Do you know what a remap is ?

Yes, and I have a proper one that makes more than a "paultry 220hp" too!;-)

Please don't tell me you don't know of guys with switchable revo that turn it off each service or if they crash their car! Give up a few ponies for the "convenience" of pretending they dont have it, as opposed to a nice custom map that's stuck well in their.

I am afraid there are many of them out there, again I am not saying tyhis is what shifty was doing, as of course the switchable maps for the FSI motors are not properly available yet.

But I would be interested to know if he DID tell his dealer or insurace company? .......I did...hope you did too!!