Rear arb / sway bar upgrade

[ope126]

You are obviously using the existing plastic end links?

Would you consider an upgrade to the end links?

[JR RS]

33 minutes ago, ope126 said:

You are obviously using the existing plastic end links?

Would you consider an upgrade to the end links?

 

I've bought whiteline endlinks, just haven't installed it yet.

 

Unfortunately with the car lowered, there is pre-load on the sway bar, and it's evident with the "not perpendicular" plastic endlink position.

The whiteline ones r adjustable, perfect for lowered cars.

 

[newbie69]

1 hour ago, JR RS said:

 

I've bought whiteline endlinks, just haven't installed it yet.

 

Unfortunately with the car lowered, there is pre-load on the sway bar, and it's evident with the "not perpendicular" plastic endlink position.

The whiteline ones r adjustable, perfect for lowered cars.

 

 

I think I'll wait to replace my stock ones if/when they're shot. I've read several aftermarket ones are noisy and it would annoy me for sure to hear new noises from the back going up and down the ramps on my garage and our neighborhood on a daily basis. I jacked the rear hubs up to the new, lowered ride height when wheels are on the car and it sits on the ground before tightening the bolts to remove some extra preload due to suspension extension and hopefully they will last longer than I'll keep the car for as was the case in the past, let's see. If they get shot I'll update this thread.

Let us know how yours do after some miles though, if they're quiet I could consider them 

Edited 29 June, 2020 by newbie69

[ope126]

@newbie69 you have had your H&R sway bar fitted for a few months now...

How is it going?

Still driving well?

Any unusual noises coming from the rear or all quite as a mouse back there?

 

I am about to get a SuperPro Sway Bar installed for the rear also, but I have been waiting to get the sway bar link kit, however they are out of stock and will be a while to get back.

 

Are you happy with yours by using the existing plastic sway bar links, or do you still believe an upgrade of the links is smarter choice?

 

My car is NOT lowered and I will most likely never lower the vehicle so I am not worried about the stress on the factory links (on a lowered vehicle).

 

[freeglide]

I am getting a SuperPro sway bar fitted shortly too - my mechanic said the SuperPro version comes in 22mm or 24mm - this is for the rear only. He asked what my style of driving is - but I am inclined to go for the 24mm option - as I feel its a big motor and most of the people who have the H&R version for 24mm - let me know what you guys think?

 

FG

[newbie69]

19 hours ago, ope126 said:

@newbie69 you have had your H&R sway bar fitted for a few months now...

How is it going?

Still driving well?

Any unusual noises coming from the rear or all quite as a mouse back there?

 

I am about to get a SuperPro Sway Bar installed for the rear also, but I have been waiting to get the sway bar link kit, however they are out of stock and will be a while to get back.

 

Are you happy with yours by using the existing plastic sway bar links, or do you still believe an upgrade of the links is smarter choice?

 

My car is NOT lowered and I will most likely never lower the vehicle so I am not worried about the stress on the factory links (on a lowered vehicle).

 

Yeap, just as fine as the day it went on the car. Granted I have put barely 2k km since then due to current conditions but nothing unusual has shown up.

If you don't plan on lowering don't bother with the end-links, they might introduce more issues than they solve. I've even lowered mine after the arb and kept the stock end-links and no issues yet (although this doesn't say much with such low miles still). If/when they go, they will be replaced as needed, it's an easy DIY job anyway.

 

 

18 hours ago, freeglide said:

I am getting a SuperPro sway bar fitted shortly too - my mechanic said the SuperPro version comes in 22mm or 24mm - this is for the rear only. He asked what my style of driving is - but I am inclined to go for the 24mm option - as I feel its a big motor and most of the people who have the H&R version for 24mm - let me know what you guys think?

 

FG

Ideally we'd need to know stiffness of those vs the H&R to really make a fact-based recommendation, without those it's more like "bigger is better" feeling that most are relying on... Both should be an upgrade though.

[freeglide]

5 minutes ago, newbie69 said:

If you don't plan on lowering don't bother with the end-links, they might introduce more issues than they solve. I've even lowered mine after the arb and kept the stock end-links and no issues yet (although this doesn't say much with such low miles still). If/when they go, they will be replaced as needed, it's an easy DIY job anyway.

 

Yes my mechanic said this too - I am planning to lower with Eibach Pro - asked him about the adjustable end links - he said he has had several fail and snap - the stock plastic endlinks are fine - in his view - unless you are going to slam the car - there is no need for adjustable end links. 

[newbie69]

3 minutes ago, freeglide said:

 

Yes my mechanic said this too - I am planning to lower with Eibach Pro - asked him about the adjustable end links - he said he has had several fail and snap - the stock plastic endlinks are fine - in his view - unless you are going to slam the car - there is no need for adjustable end links. 

I share the exact same views as your mechanic. There's too much (unjustified) scaremongering with end-links, maybe it carries over from other platforms or other much more extreme lowerings. They're not a necessity on these cars at all especially with mild lowering springs as Eibachs. Mine has dropped 25mm equally because I used the Audi top mounts (check the thread for results and effect of those), i don't classify this as a lot of lowering.

In general i'm all for upgrading but it annoys me when the upgrade can cause more headaches than it solves, plastic is not always bad 

 

[Bejam]

2000 or so miles done on mine. Currently enjoying switchbacks in the Alps😁. No issues. Original plastic end thingies. 

[Onetoothcracker]

Hi all, i'm a new member who has joined to learn from the experience and knowledge of others who have tried and proven some of the modifications I hope to apply to my newly acquired Sportline 206tsi.

 

I have read with interest all the above and spoken with a couple of suspension specialists about fitting a rear ARB. To date I have only been able to find full F&R ARB kits from H&R and Eibach in Australia that are verified to fit a Skoda Superb. I would prefer to just fit a rear one based on the experience of those who have contributed to this thread.

 

I may wait a bit to follow the outcomes of the SuperPro bars that are being fitted by @freeglide and @ope126 to confirm the fit and correct part numbers, as the specialists I spoke with said that neither Whiteline or SuperPro specified an ARB that would fit my car, and if I ordered one it was at my risk.

 

I was also thinking of fitting Eibach Pro springs, but was advised that was not recommended as it would reduce bump stop travel after I mentioned I intended doing some towing including a camper trailer of up to 1500kg. Does that sound correct?

thanks in advance

regards

chris 

[LordRichards]

6 hours ago, Onetoothcracker said:

Hi all, i'm a new member who has joined to learn from the experience and knowledge of others who have tried and proven some of the modifications I hope to apply to my newly acquired Sportline 206tsi.

 

I have read with interest all the above and spoken with a couple of suspension specialists about fitting a rear ARB. To date I have only been able to find full F&R ARB kits from H&R and Eibach in Australia that are verified to fit a Skoda Superb. I would prefer to just fit a rear one based on the experience of those who have contributed to this thread.

 

I may wait a bit to follow the outcomes of the SuperPro bars that are being fitted by @freeglide and @ope126 to confirm the fit and correct part numbers, as the specialists I spoke with said that neither Whiteline or SuperPro specified an ARB that would fit my car, and if I ordered one it was at my risk.

 

I was also thinking of fitting Eibach Pro springs, but was advised that was not recommended as it would reduce bump stop travel after I mentioned I intended doing some towing including a camper trailer of up to 1500kg. Does that sound correct?

thanks in advance

regards

chris 

Hi Chris

 

I've just fitted H&R rear ARB to my Superb Sportline Wagon which I had previously fitted with Eibach sports springs. Handling is now neutral - little body roll, and neither under nor over steer, and seems better balanced ride / handling than with just the springs. 

I chose H&R from a online racing store in the UK as the Eibach distributor in Oz only sold front and rear and wouldn't break them up to sell just the rear one. I felt more comfortable getting a German TUV approved bar that I was confident would fit. The one I got - 33851HA5 - is the same one that fits the Golf R according to this and other forums as well as the H&R website. Had a mechanic mate fit it in my driveway. Took a bit over an hour. 

 

So I'm happy with my choice. Dunno about towing implications tho. 

 

[newbie69]

13 hours ago, Onetoothcracker said:

Hi all, i'm a new member who has joined to learn from the experience and knowledge of others who have tried and proven some of the modifications I hope to apply to my newly acquired Sportline 206tsi.

 

I have read with interest all the above and spoken with a couple of suspension specialists about fitting a rear ARB. To date I have only been able to find full F&R ARB kits from H&R and Eibach in Australia that are verified to fit a Skoda Superb. I would prefer to just fit a rear one based on the experience of those who have contributed to this thread.

 

I may wait a bit to follow the outcomes of the SuperPro bars that are being fitted by @freeglide and @ope126 to confirm the fit and correct part numbers, as the specialists I spoke with said that neither Whiteline or SuperPro specified an ARB that would fit my car, and if I ordered one it was at my risk.

 

I was also thinking of fitting Eibach Pro springs, but was advised that was not recommended as it would reduce bump stop travel after I mentioned I intended doing some towing including a camper trailer of up to 1500kg. Does that sound correct?

thanks in advance

regards

chris 

It's really annoying the "we only sell them as a pair" thing from some shops but eventually you should be able to find one that is happy to sell you just the rear one. Worst case I can buy the H&R from the local shop I got mine and ship it to you if you really can't find any other solution, turns out for 2600SEK + 500SEK (shipping to Australia) the total cost is ~ 492 AUD, no idea how that compares to the prices you get there though just being imaginative...

I see that officially neither Whiteline nor SuperPro offer any item for the Superb but given that the car shares the rear suspension fully with the Golf R, the rear arb for that car fits our vehicles (both estate and hatch) just fine, same as with H&R.

Here's Whiteline's model:
Whiteline 24mm 2 way MK7 Golf R


And here's SuperPro's model for the Golf R:
SuperPro rear arb 24mm 2way MK7 Golf R

Incidentally they are both 24mm and 2 way adjustable, identical design, the H&R is 25mm fixed.

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I have no experience with towing and how it can be affected from lowering but but there are temporary options that can be installed to raise the back especially for towing (coil spring buffers) or more permanently (Audi's thicker top mounts). I've used the latter ones when I lowered mine on Eibachs just to maintain the stock, slightly raised rear stance to not compromise loading as with the Eibachs the rear drops around 10mm more than the front which i guess is something you want to avoid if loading the car often or towing.

Maybe have a look at that thread too, especially on how the end result looks like with and without the thicker top mounts:
 

 

Edited 20 July, 2020 by newbie69

[Onetoothcracker]

6 hours ago, newbie69 said:

Maybe have a look at that thread too, especially on how the end result looks like with and without the thicker top mounts:

 

Thanks for the response @newbie69, I have read that thread in full already thanks and noted that you fitted the Audi top mounts. 

 

When you say the 206 shares the rear suspension with the Golf R and they fit, I take it you are saying that they also share the same exhaust so no clearance issues, is that right?

[newbie69]

1 minute ago, Onetoothcracker said:

 

Thanks for the response @newbie69, I have read that thread in full already thanks and noted that you fitted the Audi top mounts. 

 

When you say the 206 shares the rear suspension with the Golf R and they fit, I take it you are saying that they also share the same exhaust so no clearance issues, is that right?

Haha, got me to it!

Clearance issues where exactly do you mean? Talking about the springs or the arb now?

[Onetoothcracker]

2 hours ago, newbie69 said:

Haha, got me to it!

Clearance issues where exactly do you mean? Talking about the springs or the arb now?

The exhaust clearance for the arb, one of the suspension specialists I spoke with said this was the unknown to him with the SuperPro & Whiteline arb & why buying one would be at my risk. I dont know enough to know if this is a real issue or not.

 

[LordRichards]

39 minutes ago, Onetoothcracker said:

The exhaust clearance for the arb, one of the suspension specialists I spoke with said this was the unknown to him with the SuperPro & Whiteline arb & why buying one would be at my risk. I dont know enough to know if this is a real issue or not.

 

There were no clearance problems when we fitted mine. The exhaust is different on the Superb to the Golf so clearance issues may be different to the videos. Getting the old one off took a little fiddling and minor swearing but didn't have to loosen anything on the exhaust. The new one went in easily. Left suspension arm had to be raised a bit - like on all the videos - but no biggie. 

[Onetoothcracker]

6 minutes ago, LordRichards said:

There were no clearance problems when we fitted mine.

Thanks for the feedback @LordRichards.

 

You fitted the H&R which would likely be my preference if I could buy a rear arb rather than the full F&R kits from H&R or Eibach F&R.

The clearance unknown was mentioned in relation to the Whiteline or SuperPro rear arb specced for the Golf R, which are available as a rear only (and some are on sale in Oz)

Are you able to share the supplier in UK you used and $ and how long delivery took?

 

I have a few minor bits and pieces ordered from SuperSkoda and tracking suggests they are still in Czech after nearly 4 weeks so far 😞 

[JR RS]

i, like u @Onetoothcracker, was unable to find a supplier in Oz who would just sell the H&R or Eibach rear swaybar.

 

so i ended up buying a Hardrace 25mm swaybar.  They have a store in QLD.  price was $330 delivered.

 

i however have a FWD Superb, so i got the Golf GTi version (7759).  they confirmed beforehand that it would fit.  

they also confirmed that the Golf R version (8778) would fit the AWD Superb.

 

mine is also lowered on Eibach ProKit, but i don't do any towing.

[LordRichards]

2 minutes ago, Onetoothcracker said:

Thanks for the feedback @LordRichards.

 

You fitted the H&R which would likely be my preference if I could buy a rear arb rather than the full F&R kits from H&R or Eibach F&R.

The clearance unknown was mentioned in relation to the Whiteline or SuperPro rear arb specced for the Golf R, which are available as a rear only (and some are on sale in Oz)

Are you able to share the supplier in UK you used and $ and how long delivery took?

 

I have a few minor bits and pieces ordered from SuperSkoda and tracking suggests they are still in Czech after nearly 4 weeks so far 😞 

I bought mine from Kam Racing in the UK. Price was 163 pounds and 74 pounds for shipping (it's really heavy). Item # 33851HA5-K. Shipped on 18th and delivered on 29th. About 3 days of that was Oz Customs.

I'd previously ordered from a German e-bay supplier for a slightly cheaper price but they cancelled as they said they couldn't ship it here with the virus. I've ordered from SuperSkoda and they're usually Ok but that was before the virus. 

Good luck. You won't regret it. 

[newbie69]

8 hours ago, LordRichards said:

There were no clearance problems when we fitted mine. The exhaust is different on the Superb to the Golf so clearance issues may be different to the videos. Getting the old one off took a little fiddling and minor swearing but didn't have to loosen anything on the exhaust. The new one went in easily. Left suspension arm had to be raised a bit - like on all the videos - but no biggie. 

Not really that different. I mean apart from the tail pipes which is a purely cosmetic item, the rest of the system (rear silencers and entire piping) is exactly the same between the Golf and the Superb, hence why the arbs for the Golf fit our cars fine too.

 

 

9 hours ago, Onetoothcracker said:

The exhaust clearance for the arb, one of the suspension specialists I spoke with said this was the unknown to him with the SuperPro & Whiteline arb & why buying one would be at my risk. I dont know enough to know if this is a real issue or not.

 

No issues with clearances, as I wrote on page 1 it's a PITA but it's do-able with a bit of patience.

PS. Talking about the H&R of-course but since that one is also supposed to be a "Golf" compatible item, it should be the same for the rest.

Edited 21 July, 2020 by newbie69

[LordRichards]

1 hour ago, newbie69 said:

Not really that different. I mean apart from the tail pipes which is a purely cosmetic item, the rest of the system (rear silencers and entire piping) is exactly the same between the Golf and the Superb, hence why the arbs for the Golf fit our cars fine too.

 

 

No issues with clearances, as I wrote on page 1 it's a PITA but it's do-able with a bit of patience.

PS. Talking about the H&R of-course but since that one is also supposed to be a "Golf" compatible item, it should be the same for the rest.

Yeah, there's not much difference where the rarb is with a single pipe coming back from the front. The Superb goes on for a lot longer than the Golf after the rear wheels and it has separate mufflers each side arranged longitudinally but the Golf looks like it has a single lateral muffler with twin exhausts. Dunno if it makes any difference to this job tho. 

[newbie69]

58 minutes ago, LordRichards said:

Yeah, there's not much difference where the rarb is with a single pipe coming back from the front. The Superb goes on for a lot longer than the Golf after the rear wheels and it has separate mufflers each side arranged longitudinally but the Golf looks like it has a single lateral muffler with twin exhausts. Dunno if it makes any difference to this job tho. 

The hatch yes has a single muffler with twin exhausts, but I was referring to the Golf R estate which is an identical setup to the Superb with twin mufflers:




Only difference between that and the Superb exhaust is the tips at the end.

The arb is the same for the Golf R estate and Golf R hatch so it fits the Superb too.

[freeglide]

I had a Golf R estate previous to my Superb 280 - it was a 7.5 too which had the revised exhaust - as the MK7 Golf estate had fake bits on twin pipes for each side. I do wonder why my superb exhaust note is so tame compared - I used to get DSG farts in my golf - granted it used to push some fake engine noises into the cabin - but I am sure the golfs exhaust was louder??

 

When pushed in Sport - my 280 will blip on a downshift - but you have to be pushing on. 

 

FG

[ColinD]

Just for reference of course... Contacted CLP; also a local, for my 272. Since it's my birthday soon and I've done no driving, seems I have spare cash in my fuel card pot  Just have to wait till september when our shielding period is 95% done...  £260 all in for the H&R 25mm.

 

 

[LordRichards]

On 20/07/2020 at 12:37, Onetoothcracker said:

Hi all, i'm a new member who has joined to learn from the experience and knowledge of others who have tried and proven some of the modifications I hope to apply to my newly acquired Sportline 206tsi.

 

I have read with interest all the above and spoken with a couple of suspension specialists about fitting a rear ARB. To date I have only been able to find full F&R ARB kits from H&R and Eibach in Australia that are verified to fit a Skoda Superb. I would prefer to just fit a rear one based on the experience of those who have contributed to this thread.

 

I may wait a bit to follow the outcomes of the SuperPro bars that are being fitted by @freeglide and @ope126 to confirm the fit and correct part numbers, as the specialists I spoke with said that neither Whiteline or SuperPro specified an ARB that would fit my car, and if I ordered one it was at my risk.

 

I was also thinking of fitting Eibach Pro springs, but was advised that was not recommended as it would reduce bump stop travel after I mentioned I intended doing some towing including a camper trailer of up to 1500kg. Does that sound correct?

thanks in advance

regards

chris 

Oh, and another mod I made - that I forgot to mention - was adjusting my front wheel alignment to 0.5mm of toe out as advised by my mechanic mate. It made a very noticeable difference to steering response and reduction in understeer. Is still stable and smooth at highway speeds. And it's probably the best bang for buck as only cost me $90 for a tyre fitters to adjust. 

Anyone else done this?