My 2016 2.0 diesel L&K 4x4 is coming close to needing a couple of tyres. Currently running Goodyear Efficient Grips which have been pretty good to be fair.

I travel on a good mix of roads, including some gravel tracks and we do get a bit of snow here. Also tow a caravan all year round.

I've been mulling over a change to all seasons and I know the best advice is to have them all round. Seems everyone loves Michelin Cross Climates but W rated ones are rather costly!

Local dealer did suggest I could drop to V rated, but I'm not sure that is correct. Anyone know for certain?

Not looking to change wheels to accommodate Winters so come on folks what do I do? Stick with the Goodyears or any suggestions for 225/50/17 W all seasons much appreciated.

I confess I'm struggling to make a decision 🙄

Can't help with the V/W speed rating cost question but I've had Cross Climates on my Otcy VRS 245 year round for two years and very happy with them, and when we buy tyres for our Yeti 4x4  we'll be going down that route.  They aren't cheap, but my fronts are still on 3-4mm after 20K miles (on a FWD 245 PS car) so they last pretty well.  

 

Do you need any form of winter tyre? Kind of depends where you live and how desperately you need to drive on the odd occasions when the UK weather really demands them.  But the fact you've got a 4x4 model kind of suggests you are interested in some grip.

 

 

 

 

    

 

3 minutes ago, juan27 said:

Can't help with the V/W speed rating cost question but I've had Cross Climates on my Otcy VRS 245 year round for two years and very happy with them, and when we buy tyres for our Yeti 4x4  we'll be going down that route.  They aren't cheap, but my fronts are still on 3-4mm after 20K miles (on a FWD 245 PS car) so they last pretty well.  

 

Do you need any form of winter tyre? Kind of depends where you live and how desperately you need to drive on the odd occasions when the UK weather really demands them.  But the fact you've got a 4x4 model kind of suggests you are interested in some grip.

 

 

 

 

    

 

Thanks, I tend to end up as the driver when the weather is bad ferrying the rest of the family so grip is certainly good! 

I run Cross Climates on our Octavia and  have run Goodyear Vector 4 Season Gen2's in the past.

 

The Cross Climates are nearly a Summer Tyre which wont leave you stuck in the snow, perfect for the Octavia.

 

The Goodyear's are not far behind for summer performance but are a lot better in winter especially on compact snow and ice. And are better on mud and wet grass.

 

For me the Goodyears are the better choice for a 4x4 Yeti that does some grass/mud/snow work and they have the bonus of being cheaper.

 

I have brand new Primacy 3's on my Yeti but still thinking of swapping them for the Goodyear Vectors, Gen 2's or the new Gen 3's

1 hour ago, logiclee said:

I run Cross Climates on our Octavia and  have run Goodyear Vector 4 Season Gen2's in the past.

 

The Cross Climates are nearly a Summer Tyre which wont leave you stuck in the snow, perfect for the Octavia.

 

The Goodyear's are not far behind for summer performance but are a lot better in winter especially on compact snow and ice. And are better on mud and wet grass.

 

For me the Goodyears are the better choice for a 4x4 Yeti that does some grass/mud/snow work and they have the bonus of being cheaper.

 

I have brand new Primacy 3's on my Yeti but still thinking of swapping them for the Goodyear Vectors, Gen 2's or the new Gen 3's

Thanks for your thoughts. Sadly, it comes back to this speed rating issue. Pretty sure the Vectors are only available as a V and not a W. Nightmare. 

I had a set of Goodyear Vector 4Seasons on when the OEM tyres wore out. I loved them - 40k miles over 2.5 years, wet and dry, snow and mud. I replaced them with the 2nd gen version which were also good up until I sold the car.
 

No real down-sides in the dry - perhaps a little more lateral movement in hard cornering but nothing alarming.  Awesome in the wet and cold - which let’s face it is a lot of the time.  Cut through standing water like a knife.  They performed well in the only snow we had, getting me up a rural hill road easily when ‘normal’ cars were stuck at the bottom.

All-seasons every time. The difference between good all-season tyres and summer tyres on snow/ice is like night and day. However, I would much rather run 225/60R16 tyres on 7Jx16 ET45 rims than 225/50R17 tyres on 7Jx17 ET45 rims. For those that like to stick with standard tyre sizes then it would be 215/60R16 on that size rim.

 

The 225/60R16 gives noticeably more comfort compared to the smaller sidewalled 225/50R17 size, is a cheaper size, and looks better due to having a slightly bigger outside diameter and more sidewall...20% bigger sidewall.

 

The 225/50R17 size tyre doesn't look right on the Yeti. It looks like someone has stuck their car tyres onto their SUV.

 

Alcar 9257 Steel Rims 7Jx16 ET45

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/alcar/14750851

 

Vredestein Quatrac 5 All-Season Tyres 225/60R16 102H XL

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/tyres/vredestein-8714692316203-ap22560016hqt5a02

 

All-season tyres are winter rated which means that they can have a lower speed index than what the car came with as standard. On H-speed rated tyres, if your car has a top speed of more than 130mph, then you need to put a label in the driver's view to let them know that the tyres fitted to the car are only capable of 130mph.

Edited 27 August, 20205 yr by Carlston

14 minutes ago, Bertha108 said:

Thanks for your thoughts. Sadly, it comes back to this speed rating issue. Pretty sure the Vectors are only available as a V and not a W. Nightmare. 

 

 

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=110&cart_id=pqErY6lXgPJCuDbS.110.792282139&Cookie=sea_rd_uk_Froogle_Shopping&sowigan=GAN&Breite=225&Quer=50&Felge=17&kategorie=6&Marke=Goodyear&Herst=Goodyear&m_s=3&rsmFahrzeugart=ALL&Label=C-B-70-2&details=Ordern&typ=R-423063

8 minutes ago, logiclee said:

 

 

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=110&cart_id=pqErY6lXgPJCuDbS.110.792282139&Cookie=sea_rd_uk_Froogle_Shopping&sowigan=GAN&Breite=225&Quer=50&Felge=17&kategorie=6&Marke=Goodyear&Herst=Goodyear&m_s=3&rsmFahrzeugart=ALL&Label=C-B-70-2&details=Ordern&typ=R-423063

Well spotted, thanks 

2 hours ago, Bertha108 said:

Thanks for your thoughts. Sadly, it comes back to this speed rating issue. Pretty sure the Vectors are only available as a V and not a W. Nightmare. 

 

This has been discussed on here many times, and as long as the speed rating EXCEEDS the speed the car the capable off there is no problem. V is more than adequate.

2 minutes ago, Llanigraham said:

 

This has been discussed on here many times, and as long as the speed rating EXCEEDS the speed the car the capable off there is no problem. V is more than adequate.

I know it has. I agree about maximum speed of the vehicle but I'm a terrible worry about following the rules / doing the right thing 🙄 It is one of those things where there is such a variation in advice including that of professionals. Appreciate your help. Out of interest what tyres do you run? 

2 hours ago, Carlston said:

All-seasons every time. The difference between good all-season tyres and summer tyres on snow/ice is like night and day. However, I would much rather run 225/60R16 tyres on 7Jx16 ET45 rims than 225/50R17 tyres on 7Jx17 ET45 rims. For those that like to stick with standard tyre sizes then it would be 215/60R16 on that size rim.

 

The 225/60R16 gives noticeably more comfort compared to the smaller sidewalled 225/50R17 size, is a cheaper size, and looks better due to having a slightly bigger outside diameter and more sidewall...20% bigger sidewall.

 

The 225/50R17 size tyre doesn't look right on the Yeti. It looks like someone has stuck their car tyres onto their SUV.

 

Alcar 9257 Steel Rims 7Jx16 ET45

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/alcar/14750851

 

Vredestein Quatrac 5 All-Season Tyres 225/60R16 102H XL

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/tyres/vredestein-8714692316203-ap22560016hqt5a02

 

All-season tyres are winter rated which means that they can have a lower speed index than what the car came with as standard. On H-speed rated tyres, if your car has a top speed of more than 130mph, then you need to put a label in the driver's view to let them know that the tyres fitted to the car are only capable of 130mph.

I do like my alloys though 😁

10 minutes ago, Llanigraham said:

 

This has been discussed on here many times, and as long as the speed rating EXCEEDS the speed the car the capable off there is no problem. V is more than adequate.

 

H = up to 130 MPH

V = up to 149 MPH

W= up to 168 MPH.

 

Now, seriously, no Yeti is going to go anywhere near 130 MPH! My Yeti was delivered new with H rating tyres, why would you pay more for a speed rating massively in excess of any speed the Yeti is capable of achieving and a full 60 MPH higher than the UK speed limit? 

If yours was fitted with V or even W rated tyres then it was over speccing and probably those were the tyres that had at the time. I had an Octavia delivered with W tyres didn’t mean it was capable of anything like that speed or anyone would have been reckless enough to drive it at that speed. H tyres are actually the standard spec.

Very true! Thanks for the reassurance. 

25 minutes ago, Bertha108 said:

I know it has. I agree about maximum speed of the vehicle but I'm a terrible worry about following the rules / doing the right thing 🙄 It is one of those things where there is such a variation in advice including that of professionals. Appreciate your help. Out of interest what tyres do you run? 

 

 

Before it was part exchanged last month, V rated All Seasons.

52 minutes ago, Bertha108 said:

I do like my alloys though 😁

 

There are plenty of OEM alloys in size 7Jx16 ET45 5/112 57.1 for the Yeti.

 

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/YET/year/2016/drive_standart/779/hg_ug/601/subcategory/601060/part_id/2543668/lang/e

 

https://www.skoda-parts.com/spare-part/3t0601025n7zs-alloy-wheel-16-oe-23312.html

Edited 27 August, 20205 yr by Carlston

The speed rating of the tyres fitted should be those homologated by the manufacturer for that model, its probably not so important in the UK but over here the vehicle will fail its CT if it has anything than the homologated tyre size & rating and insurers are very zealous in refusing claims for the most ridiculous of reasons that would never stand up to a legal appeal.

 

Why? - because they always have done and people meekly accept it.

 

There is also the load rating, a vehicle could potentially carry a maximum payload and drive at its maximum speed for hours on end on a German Autobahn.

 

I have no reservations about driving on lower speed rated tyres as I generally remain within the speed limits but over here its the CT test which is the killer and also no tyre fitting place will fit anything other than the homologated tyres.

11 hours ago, Expatman said:

 

 

If yours was fitted with V or even W rated tyres then it was over speccing and probably those were the tyres that had at the time.

 

Our old 1.6TDi 105PS Octavia came with Y Rated tyres for 186mph. 

12 hours ago, Bertha108 said:

Very true! Thanks for the reassurance. 

If you are particularly worried about being safe and totally in line with technical recommendations then you should really change all 4 tyres at the same time. While permissable it is certainly not good practice to have different tyres on the front and back due to their different driving characteristics. And definitely do NOT fit different tyres on the same axle, that's a real no no!

1 minute ago, Expatman said:

If you are particularly worried about being safe and totally in line with technical recommendations then you should really change all 4 tyres at the same time. While permissable it is certainly not good practice to have different tyres on the front and back due to their different driving characteristics. And definitely do NOT fit different tyres on the same axle, that's a real no no!

Oh absolutely, will either go for two Efficient Grips or 4 all seasons

1 hour ago, logiclee said:

 

Our old 1.6TDi 105PS Octavia came with Y Rated tyres for 186mph. 

My wife's Audi has Y rated too

17 minutes ago, Bertha108 said:

Oh absolutely, will either go for two Efficient Grips or 4 all seasons

My wife's Audi has Y rated too

My Yeti was supplied with EfficientGrips and very good they are. I changed to 4 Goodyear Vector 4 season Gen2 rather than swap between summer and winter tyres twice a year and I have to say they are superb. Very comfortable ride and much quieter than any other tyre I have had. Wholeheartedly recommend them if you can run to 4 tyres.

Just had 4 Goodyear eff.grips fitted at a cost of £348 this price included a £50 gift voucher at  my local high q centre. They cost of fitting 4 Goodyear all season's would have been £434 again including a £50 gift voucher seemed like a good deal.

1 hour ago, Cogra said:

Just had 4 Goodyear eff.grips fitted at a cost of £348 this price included a £50 gift voucher at  my local high q centre. They cost of fitting 4 Goodyear all season's would have been £434 again including a £50 gift voucher seemed like a good deal.

Definitely good deal, but I wanted All Season tyres to avoid swapping winter to summer tyres twice a year so simple choice for me.

19 hours ago, Expatman said:

 

H = up to 130 MPH

V = up to 149 MPH

W= up to 168 MPH.

 

Now, seriously, no Yeti is going to go anywhere near 130 MPH! 

We once did an *indicated* 128mph, 4 up and full of ski gear in our 170ps TDi, but the total lack of aerodynamics would mean it would have needed about 300bhp to make 150mph.

Lots of useful info in this thread, but one point has been missed or misunderstood .... the "speed rating" ... yes most car will never do the speed that the tyre fitted is rated for, but the reason they are rated above the max speed of the vehicle they are fitted to is because the "rating" does not mean the maximum speed that the vehicle can do, but the rating actually means the speed that the tyre can sustain for 600 seconds before suffering a catastrophic carcass failure .... so say you are on a German Autobahn, if you Yeti has a max speed of 127 miles per hour you need to be using a tyre with a much higher "speed rating"  than your Yeti can achieve ..... if using "H" tyres, that have a 130MPH rating you are running dangerously close to that absolute tyre limit before carcass failure, hence they car will be fitted from the factory and homolgated with W rated tyres so they provide a safety margin close to 75% of the tyres speed rating. Make no mistake .... a tyres speed rating should not be used to match the maximum top speed of the vehicle they are fitted to.

 

I await the flaming about UK speed limits etc, but thats how it works and that is why they tyres fitted are "so" much higher rated, like it or lump it.

 

🙂

Edited 28 August, 20205 yr by TruckbusUK
Sorry for the looooong sentences

Well, just noticed I have four Michelin Primacy 3's. Two new and two nearly new.

 

All are 225/50x17 and all are 94 load rated.

 

They all look identicle.

 

Three have a W speed rating and one has a Y rating.