On 26/11/2020 at 08:15, wyx087 said:

People say Tesla are around 5 years ahead of any competition with its powertrain

 

I get the feeling Lucid have just leapfrogged them big style...

 

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They reckon their powertrain is 2.5 times more compact than others of similar outputs...

 

 

On 15/12/2020 at 10:50, john999boy said:

Do you have the full/expensive self driving abilities or the free ones?

 

the free ones, the expensive ones aren't allowed to operate in the UK anyway so , meh

 

On 15/12/2020 at 13:46, Aspman said:

 

Our Countryman has on a few occasion thrown a total wobbler in town thinking we were about to hit a stationary car (can't remember the name of the feature). I'm not sure if it hit the brakes or me coz of the flashing red light and loud alarm but there was nothing, absolutely nothing in front of the car.

 

Auto wipers are universally crap, I've never had a car that could do it well. the best was my hated 2003 Renault Clio. It had full manual options for wipers as well as auto. And tbh the auto was probably the best of any car I've had.

 

autolight have always worked ok, but the principle falls down in rain and fog and people are lazy idiots. You need to swicth to manual then. I had to explain this to my SO who is not daft at all, but she still trusted that "auto lights " meant auto lights , in all circumstances. The RR auto lights are probably the best and clverest I've ever seen. They do partial full beam and you can see the bean tracking around cars in front of you.

 

It's interesting to hear how well you are getting on with it.

 

My yeti and Octavia were both light years ahead of the tesla on all these automation things. Cruise control is just danegerous on the tesla. 

 

4 minutes ago, domhnall said:

the free ones, the expensive ones aren't allowed to operate in the UK anyway so , meh

Are you sure as a local vlogger has it on his current model 3 and has specced it on his incoming MY21 car too?

We do have roads in the UK like the ones he says there are not, just he obviously has not seen them.

EDIT.

If he watches EVO Car of the year 2020 in the Scottish Borders he will see perfect smooth roads with solid white lines at the verge and no centre lines.

You can find the same around with broken lines.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 23 December, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

On 18/12/2020 at 20:49, john999boy said:

Are you sure as a local vlogger has it on his current model 3 and has specced it on his incoming MY21 car too?

I think he meant legally approved to be used in FSD mode without hands on the wheel.  Tesla have been getting round laws by insisting that drivers keep their hands on the wheel at all times (which removes the benefit of FSD). 

 

Stupid FSD Tesla owners have been getting round that by hanging a small weight of some kind from one side of the steering wheel since it only checks you are holding the wheel by looking for a small amount of torque input.  Some of those have then found out the hard way why Tesla calls it Beta software and has large legal disclaimers about using it at your own risk..  (head hitting a wall because there isn't a car smashing into a wall emoticon - actually there's a good question, why does a car forum have no car emoticons at all?? )

 

But yes, anyone who bought FSD originally on promises it'd be ready for use that year were badly misguided.  Anyone with half a clue about computers and technology would have been able to see that in reality it was many years away, and they would have come to the end of their lease long before their FSD was fully operational. 

On 23/12/2020 at 16:48, widdershins said:

I think he meant legally approved to be used in FSD mode without hands on the wheel.  Tesla have been getting round laws by insisting that drivers keep their hands on the wheel at all times (which removes the benefit of FSD). 

 

Stupid FSD Tesla owners have been getting round that by hanging a small weight of some kind from one side of the steering wheel since it only checks you are holding the wheel by looking for a small amount of torque input.  Some of those have then found out the hard way why Tesla calls it Beta software and has large legal disclaimers about using it at your own risk..  (head hitting a wall because there isn't a car smashing into a wall emoticon - actually there's a good question, why does a car forum have no car emoticons at all?? )

 

But yes, anyone who bought FSD originally on promises it'd be ready for use that year were badly misguided.  Anyone with half a clue about computers and technology would have been able to see that in reality it was many years away, and they would have come to the end of their lease long before their FSD was fully operational. 

 

yes I meant that you can buy FSD in the UK but most of the benefits are disabled outside of the USA

 

On 30/12/2020 at 21:19, vrskeith said:

 

 "a half decent voice activation system" hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

Good old Brexit working in the EU favour?

Especially as Musk has set up the Tesla site in Germany?

 

https://insideevs.com/news/467455/europe-tesla-lowers-model-3-prices/

@domhnall I was wondering if you can comment on the fuel savings (or otherwise) of running an electric vehicle? Real world use cases is helpful making a decision to jump to disappointingly expensive lease for an electric car vs sticking to diesel. This maybe slightly off topic, but as Tesla are among the most efficient EVs it might put it into perspective.
 

@e-Roottoot welcome to chime in on your experience with the Corsa too.

@Luckypants

I really enjoy driving EV's and have tried most out that were available up to the end 2020.

 

I wanted to be able to lift bikes on and off the roof carrier easily, even electric bikes.

Not easy with a high roof vehicle without a step or wall to stand on.

 

Really my needs and experience of having one would not be the same most EV drivers unless leasing from Motability.

I chose the e-Corsa because it was just a car for having a good drive in for doing nothing much and not looking like an EV, It had to be good for 150 miles without needing charged when 2 people on board.   (Turned out it can just about some times when needing to get someplace in a hurry.)

 

That was choice out of many i could have had from the list with some having lower advance payments at the time.

(This year / this quarter, there are some really good deals for anyone wanting an EV through Motability.)

For me it is under £63 a week to lease with no other costs because i am not paying for electric.

No insurance or servicing to pay for.

 

I would have a bigger car with more range if i actually needed to have an EV rather than just wanting to run one when it suits me.

One that can tow a car transporter with a car on at least.

 

When i do get back to my regular journeys of 150-300 miles a day once or twice a week i will use the e-Corsa if not in a hurry and the charging is free.

(Some places i go are charging to charge now and if it is cheaper or the same to use another car i might instead of charging and waiting about.)

If i can charge the car and it be parked and go for a bike ride i might well but charging places can not be counted on if in a hurry to get someplace.)

I can do the 300 miles in a Petrol or Diesel for between £30-60,

i do like being able to do that for free when i can. 

 

Today in winter i would not take the EV just incase of road closures or diversion because of the weather and i would only be able to get 110 miles at main route speeds.

I could go for a trip around the hills and glens where there would be regen, that is if there was no lockdown and still get 150 miles or so driving alone in the cold weather.

The thing is that you have the option to turn back, but still you need to think of range, getting to chargers, and will the chargers work.

 

 

Edited 2 February, 20215 yr by e-Roottoot

On 02/02/2021 at 11:23, Luckypants said:

@domhnall I was wondering if you can comment on the fuel savings (or otherwise) of running an electric vehicle? Real world use cases is helpful making a decision to jump to disappointingly expensive lease for an electric car vs sticking to diesel. This maybe slightly off topic, but as Tesla are among the most efficient EVs it might put it into perspective.
 

@e-Roottoot welcome to chime in on your experience with the Corsa too.

I traded my 2015 Octavia 1.4 Tsi for a Leaf in July 2018, put 16,000 miles on it and it cost around £28.  But that was using public charging which back then was mainly free.

Now I charge at home overnight it is 5p per kWh.  My battery is 47 kWh so that would be £2.35 to fill at home. That will do me 180 miles at this time of year at Motorway speeds. In the Summer 250 miles.  In winter I get around 4 miles for each kWh in Summer it can be up to 7 miles.

 

Out and about the cost will depend where you fill up. Just with petrol the price varies. Tesla superchargers vary from 22p to 31p per kWh so that's up to £14.57 for a complete fill up on Tesla. But they're quite expensive. Most of the time I fill up for free at supermarkets / stations etc while the car is parked. Superchargers are mainly for long motorway trips in England. A hell of a site cheaper than petrol that's for sure. 

Currently looking at trading the tesla for an Enyaq though. 

 

Edited 13 February, 20215 yr by domhnall

Thank you. It seems the savings are real at the moment. I'll charge almost exclusively at home and supermarkets as most trips will be within range. Doesn't look like any gotcha moments at this point. I hope so as those savings are what makes my decision to go ID.4 work financially. 

 

I had seen you posting on some Enyaq Facebook groups and here that you are looking to change. I cannot wait until its available unfortunately as the lease is done at end of March. So ID.4 instead. 

**Update**

 

The Tesla model 3 has gone. After it came back from a 3 week stay at Tesla for more repairs, I found that in fact they hadn't fixed all of them so I'd had enough.  It had to go. 

 

I have an order in for an Enyaq but haven't yet had a chance to test drive it but my neighbour was kind enough to lend me this  ID4 last weekend for a test. It was so much more refined than the Tesla, a very grown up car, whereas the model 3 is something of a one trick pony - it can go really fast in a drag race but in every other respect it is a bit sub par compared with other cars on the market.  If the Enyaq is anywhere near as good (and all the reviews on line suggest it is better) then I am not going to be disappointed with my return to Skoda. 

 

Just a small matter of 5 weeks to wait now. 

 

 

Good that there are people that know their stuff to pass on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 2 December, 20214 yr by roottoot