5 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@Graham ButcherIs it a case of not being able to recall or just never actually knowing the numbers. 

You are just one of many around the world with concerns.

The shippers and the owners and insurers will know the actual numbers and the risks and charge accordingly, or just not transport EV,s new or used.

Time will tell. 

 

EDIT.

What is your point on the conclusions?  we have a thread on the Car Carrier fires and the ships we know about.

I thought you were making out more car carrier fires as there are more EV,s carried and the reason being EV,s.

Sorry, but my point is that it is staggering just how some people are ignoring that EV's do pose a significant increased risk to property and life and limb over and above that with ICE vehicles. And yet we are still pushing ahead with them before we have mitigated the risks, cart before the horse in other words. There are many here who constantly bury their heads in the sand and do everything that they can to deny this is the truth. It does NOT make me a EV hater, but someone who can see through smoke and mirrors and thinks that before pushing ahead with Net Zero at tail pipe, we need to do more. Yes IO do think that given time we have a battery does not have the current problems, but shouldn't, we wait until have reached that goal before deciding on the banning of ICE vehicles?

@Graham Butcher  Who are these many people?  

Politicians, Civil Servants, Manufacturers & Engineers, or the general public?

 

They have you and Geoff, Lee,a guy in Scotland & another couple in Australia and various others vlogging and publishing news papers to do the worrying.

PS. 

One of those even drives one and parks it and charges it and does so near others vehicles or property, 

but then maybe he only heard about the news from Porsche and has not got his own letter. 

 

Edited 29 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

7 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@Graham Butcher  Who are these many people?  

Politicians, Civil Servants, Manufacturers & Engineers, or the general public?

 

They have you and Geoff, Lee,a guy in Scotland & another couple in Australia and various others vlogging and publishing news papers to do the worrying.

PS. 

One of those even drives one and parks it and charges it and does so near others vehicles or property, 

but then maybe he only heard about the news from Porsche and has not got his own letter. 

 

No names, no pack drill and no they aren't the ones you mention and neither are you one of them either.

Great news. 

He can now get rid of the car if really nobody wants to insure it, or Porsche can pay part of the insurance for those owning or leasing.

Provide a courtesy car as well.

 

No idea why he thinks they will not insure him once he has contacted them, other insurers, he has not had his Insurance cancelled.

IS THE CHANGES IN PERSONAL CIRCUMSTANCES MAYBE A QUESTION OVER ADDRESSES, OR EMPLOYMENT?

 

He says he literally just renews his insurance with this MAJOR Insurance company which he can not name. 

Why not, tell no lies get in no trouble.    OTHER PORSCHE TAYCAN OWNER ARE LIKELY TO BE IN THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES.

That insurance is valid until it expires.

Other insurers look at risks.  As long as you never had INSURANCE CANCELLED BECAUSE OF NOT GIVING TRUTHFUL DETAILS. 

 

 

 

11 months ago. 

 

 

Edited 29 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

The thing with EV's is not that they are any more prone to fires than ICE vehicles, but if and when the batteries do catch fire, the consequences are so much more serious and poses greater risks for damage and fatalities than ICE vehicles do, can we all at least accept that fact and stop tearing each other up. If that was not a fact, then the likes of Arup would not have been commissioned to compile a report and recommended guidelines for the developers of car parks etc to follow. 

It's a giant if.

 

But reality is that battery are far less likely to catch fire than fuel in plastic fuel tank. Please refer to Luton and Liverpool car park fire.

 

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Sorry, but my point is that it is staggering just how some people are ignoring that EV's do pose a significant increased risk to property and life and limb over and above that with ICE vehicles.

Again, please study risk analysis and statistics.

 

The less likelihood of something happening, the less risk it poses. Just because numbers increase does not mean statistically it poses higher risk than something that is more likely to self combust.

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

No I have not even began to look for it, and TBH I doubt that it is published anywhere where the public can access it as it goes against the narrative doesn't it with their Net Zero policy and big push towards getting ICE vehicles off the roads. 

This is not what you said previously, you referred me to your earlier post that you said you've posted proof. Where is it? Why change tune?

  

On 07/12/2024 at 09:22, Graham Butcher said:

Er excuse me, but yes I did, I provided a document that spelled it out, issued by the government for their own private government only city centre car parks around Westminster, back at the time when we last had this discussion.

 

8 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

This is not what you said previously, you referred me to your earlier post that you said you've posted proof. Where is it? Why change tune?

 

Perhaps I didn't word my reply to George correctly then, so how about

 

No I have not even began to look for it again, and TBH I doubt that it is currently published anywhere where the public can access it as it goes against the narrative doesn't it with their Net Zero policy and big push towards getting ICE vehicles off the roads. I thought I had posted a link to it, but maybe I was confused.

I have just tried to find the link again on Google but all I get now is links to Westminster car public car parks operated by Westminster Council, these are not exclusively for government officials and their cars, so maybe Google had a glitch and passed me last time directly to the UK Governments own internal intranet server, who knows?

 

 

15 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Perhaps I didn't word my reply to George correctly then, so how about

 

No I have not even began to look for it again, and TBH I doubt that it is currently published anywhere where the public can access it as it goes against the narrative doesn't it with their Net Zero policy and big push towards getting ICE vehicles off the roads. I thought I had posted a link to it, but maybe I was confused.

I have just tried to find the link again on Google but all I get now is links to Westminster car public car parks operated by Westminster Council, these are not exclusively for government officials and their cars, so maybe Google had a glitch and passed me last time directly to the UK Governments own internal intranet server, who knows?

 

Hum, according to you, you did provide "a document issued by the government".

  

On 07/12/2024 at 09:22, Graham Butcher said:

I provided a document that spelled it out, issued by the government

 

Surely it's not beyond wit of man to make the same document surface again by looking back through your posts?

 

If it's a link, the link could have gone dead, then it would support what you say right now. If it was an attachment then you've found support for your case. Perfect.

If nothing, then we have a Pinocchio. Time to stop parroting what you heard from the modern equivalent of man down the pub.

 

 

Edited 29 December, 20241 yr by wyx087

@Ootohere Now this is fascinating as if you have the facility to view the video on a decent large screen (phone or tablet does not hack it) then you can stop the video at a point where he shows the top page and also the second page, then his letter is entirely different to the one that he showed in the previous video that he downloaded from a Porsche forum. In the original letter, it mentions no charging under a cover, no charging beyond 80% and did also state not to park it undercover or adjacent to buildings. His letter makes none of these points whatsoever.

 

He also said that he had again spoken to his insurers following the receipt of the letter I think, and he said that they told him that because of the letter they will not be renewing his cover from next month regardless of the letter not stating what the other letter said.

 

If you can't do the above, then I can and can enlarge it and post it here for all to see the differences between the letter that others received and the one he received. I would not call him a liar at all at this stage of the game, I prefer to give him the benefit of doubt, after all he even posted the recording between him and the insurance company in his video, and I'm sure that if that is not the truth  that they will seek to clarify the position in a court of law in case he goes further and names them.

 

Let me know if you would like me to copy, enlarge and repost both letters to aid clarification of the points of reference.

 

Edit as my PC is struggling a little at the minute, its like me, getting on in years and slower, loosing some bits of information along the way, I have orderd a new motherboard, hard drive, ram and memory so will be rebuilding it over the next days and so will be restricted to phone only and I hate them with a passion give me a proper decent PC anyday. So with that in mind I have taken screen prints of letters that were referred in his 2 videos about the recalls and subsequent insurance company allegedly saying that will be insuring him in the future, the letters different and are exactly as he read them out, here goes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 30 December, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

https://www.insurewithporsche.co.uk/car-insurance/

 

Maybe he should contact them?

@Graham Butcher  I totally understood the Porsche Letters, ones others got, and eventually the one that he received at his Ex Wife's address.

 

(I got a letter and e-mail about a recall on the MINI eventually and it was not about the chance of fire issue i had read about and posted here about.)

 

The letter that mattered was the one he got from his Insurers and the 'one of the policy holders notifying of a change of personal circumstances'. 

If i get that i would want to know what Personal Circumstances, do they mean my job, my status, married single, cohabiting etc, where i live or the car gets parked might come into that.

 

I remember the PHONE CALL to a CALL HANDLER at his Insurance Broker or Company.  That was like Dumb and Dumber having a conversation.  

Germany,

rich with data privacy laws, were facial recognition is not allowed, or so i thought. wrongly maybe.

 

 

 

 

 

34 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Germany,

rich with data privacy laws, were facial recognition is not allowed, or so i thought. wrongly maybe.

 

 

 

Saw this and could not believe my ears. The tracing of parking up positions is for the EV models of Skoda and Seat as well it is reported. Has someone parked up at the brothel or mistress house etc is there to see. Must be thousands of very worried VAG car drivers.

 

With all the fuss about Hawei circuitry in many cars built in China, including many Western branded cars this is just so revealing. VAG in car software now coded etc in PRC and with the SOS system in modern cars. Needs a patch me thinks.

 

 

49 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Germany,

rich with data privacy laws, were facial recognition is not allowed, or so i thought. wrongly maybe.

 

Could it be that those tin foil hat wearers, who have been labelled as conspiracy theorists, have been right all the time?? They have always claimed that the electric push, the cameras that track us allegedly purely to determine if our cars enter certain zones etc, the mobile phones that loads of us carry are there for other reasons? This data tracking of course is not with EV's, think about all the electronic tech that even ICE vehicles have onboard these days, they could all be tracking our movements. Smartphones for instance all have cameras and microphones as well as GPS system built-in. My own phone for instance has a feature that listens to music being played and identifies it on screen, it is always active, even when the phone is locked.

28 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Saw this and could not believe my ears. The tracing of parking up positions is for the EV models of Skoda and Seat as well it is reported. Has someone parked up at the brothel or mistress house etc is there to see. Must be thousands of very worried VAG car drivers.

 

With all the fuss about Hawei circuitry in many cars built in China, including many Western branded cars this is just so revealing. VAG in car software now coded etc in PRC and with the SOS system in modern cars. Needs a patch me thinks.

 

 

Now here's a thing, as long as the cars have computers and GPS's on board, they can track your movements and that data could potentially be made available to anyone if the price was right, private companies, governments and even foreign powers who could make use of it militarily for example. The Israelis were able to turn ordinary pager etc into weapons that effectively became small personal bombs that killed some of their enemies.

6 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Now here's a thing, as long as the cars have computers and GPS's on board, they can track your movements and that data could potentially be made available to anyone if the price was right, private companies, governments and even foreign powers who could make use of it militarily for example. The Israelis were able to turn ordinary pager etc into weapons that effectively became small personal bombs that killed some of their enemies.

 

Think you'll find that the Isrealis had a batch of pagers actually built with tiny explosive chargers which got the battery to go off with a bang.

 

It was being investigated. A short circuiting newly added sub circuit might do something, probably just fizz and overheat but in these cases the last report I read was that a batch was doctored so a tiny charge was placed in these papers, maybe close to the battery to get it rolling on a combustion of the battery. Clever by MOSAD but sadly, as usual, seems to have also harmed many innocents.

 

3 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Think you'll find that the Isrealis had a batch of pagers actually built with tiny explosive chargers which got the battery to go off with a bang.

 

It was being investigated. A short circuiting newly added sub circuit might do something, probably just fizz and overheat but in these cases the last report I read was that a batch was doctored so a tiny charge was placed in these papers, maybe close to the battery to get it rolling on a combustion of the battery. Clever by MOSAD but sadly, as usual, seems to have also harmed many innocents.

 

It wasn't just pagers, they even did mobile phones, but the point I was making was that even the most innocent of things can be used for other purposes and with data tracking could be used to pretty good effect.

16 hours ago, Ootohere said:

Great news. 

He can now get rid of the car if really nobody wants to insure it, or Porsche can pay part of the insurance for those owning or leasing.

Provide a courtesy car as well.

 

No idea why he thinks they will not insure him once he has contacted them, other insurers, he has not had his Insurance cancelled.

IS THE CHANGES IN PERSONAL CIRCUMSTANCES MAYBE A QUESTION OVER ADDRESSES, OR EMPLOYMENT?

 

He says he literally just renews his insurance with this MAJOR Insurance company which he can not name. 

Why not, tell no lies get in no trouble.    OTHER PORSCHE TAYCAN OWNER ARE LIKELY TO BE IN THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES.

That insurance is valid until it expires.

Other insurers look at risks.  As long as you never had INSURANCE CANCELLED BECAUSE OF NOT GIVING TRUTHFUL DETAILS. 

 

 

 

11 months ago. 

 

 

 

Why would he want rid of it.

 

Yesterdays video has had over 148,000 views in less than 24hrs.

I don't have the patience to watch the whole video so skipped through a lot of it, I may have missed something critical.

 

He said that the location information was publicly available and that "everyone knows where she had been................." it was the blah, blah, blahs he said after that which made me suspicious

 

Everyone? - I certainly dont know where she or any other VW EV driver has been nor do I know where to look to allegedly find out, do you?

A day later, all I got was a reaction from @Graham Butcher. I guess there is some lying going on when he said:

 

On 07/12/2024 at 09:22, Graham Butcher said:

Er excuse me, but yes I did, I provided a document that spelled it out, issued by the government for their own private government only city centre car parks around Westminster, back at the time when we last had this discussion.

 

Then later tries to backtrack:

23 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

No I have not even began to look for it again, and TBH I doubt that it is currently published anywhere where the public can access it

 

What can be trusted from this person who never references sources. @Graham Butcher is the embodiment of man down the pub.

 

I will gladly make my apology when the aforementioned, previously "provided document  issued by the government"is found.

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

A day later, all I got was a reaction from @Graham Butcher. I guess there is some lying going on when he said:

 

 

Then later tries to backtrack:

 

What can be trusted from this person who never references sources. @Graham Butcher is the embodiment of man down the pub.

 

I will gladly make my apology when the aforementioned, previously "provided document  issued by the government"is found.

Please don't judge everybody by your standards, the info I gave above was relating to posts made months ago and was I thought correct. I'm pretty sure that I saved a copy of that document but as my computer is playing up, and i Have had loads of files that have just disappeared from my hard drive, I have had to splash out almost £500 buying replacement parts to repair it with, would you like to see a receipt of that expenditure with Amazon to prove that it is not a lie???

 

I have already given you a possible explanation as to why I cannot retrace my footsteps and get another copy of it, but you can choose to believe it or not it's upto you, but you do not go round saying that I'm a lier, because that is something I'm not and does it not also go against the standards set for this forum????

 

Sod it, I'll post a copy of the order and dispatch status then perhaps you will kindly shut up with your accusations. 

 

 

Edited 30 December, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

Bloke down the pub told me that buses and coaches do not have fuel gauges, blokes justification was equally elusory.

 

AutoEV's 2024 awards. Great showing by Renault (inc Dacia) which shows how the other European makers have failed to grasp the EV making opportunity (cars to expensive, too heavy, too inefficient usually).

 

2025 looks to be even better with the R5, R4 and Twingo hitting the UK markets. Let us hope that the other European car companies can survive in this rapidly changing market.

 

 

Edited 31 December, 20241 yr by lol-lol

22 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Please don't judge everybody by your standards, the info I gave above was relating to posts made months ago and was I thought correct. I'm pretty sure that I saved a copy of that document but as my computer is playing up, and i Have had loads of files that have just disappeared from my hard drive, I have had to splash out almost £500 buying replacement parts to repair it with, would you like to see a receipt of that expenditure with Amazon to prove that it is not a lie???

 

I have already given you a possible explanation as to why I cannot retrace my footsteps and get another copy of it, but you can choose to believe it or not it's upto you, but you do not go round saying that I'm a lier, because that is something I'm not and does it not also go against the standards set for this forum????

 

  

On 07/12/2024 at 09:22, Graham Butcher said:

I provided

"to give someone something that they need"

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/provide

 

So your words to everyone must have meant you've posted/linked the said document in one of your previous post. Therefore it should be unrelated to your computer.

 

Why is it wrong to judge people to the same standard up which I hold myself?

 

Good choices of components. Though, I'd personally had gone for AM4 if budget constrained. AM5 is said to run best at 6000 MT/s. There's also cheaper option from Intel. I recently built a desktop based on 12500h mobile CPU + motherboard combo ("mobile on desktop, MoDT", aka re-use mobile CPU) bought on Aliexpress, total cost for the system less than £350 including a second hand low end GPU.

On 28/12/2024 at 13:18, wyx087 said:

And how many of those are in active use? 
 

It’s a numbers game. The more of something, the bigger it is a target for reduction.
 

Any reduction will have a meaningful impact compared to targeting rarely used devices. 

Happy New Year @wyx087! 🍻

So it's a numbers game, eh? "The more of something, the bigger it is a target for reduction."

Hmmm. That's a somewhat inconsistent position to adopt, given that I've already pointed out the negligible contribution the UK makes to to global CO2 in comparison to countries like China & India. You've previously taken the "Every little helps!" approach.

 

At least the CO2 output of cars is incidental, not the whole purpose of the machine.

If CO2 really IS a problem, it would be trivially easy to ban the sale of CO2 generators.

However CO2 generation is a growing market. It seems people just can't get enough CO2 to meet their needs.

https://www.cognitivemarketresearch.com/co2-generator-market-report?srsltid=AfmBOor4xqL5qQDWpdVl3_2hkMaCMGX4UXDWeR-kelpCyICY2c99fBfh

 

Can I get even a twitch of cognitive dissonance from you on this issue? 😉