@Graham Butcherwhile they have their lawyers, media / spin teams and vloggers and bloggers and tame journalists i have 1 good working ear, not bad eye sight if i read with my glasses and a pretty good memory for where i hear or see a story so i will keep them honest.

 

Gobby people like me will be making sure they are called out. 

Those that are in the Car Industry and support industries can no longer get away with 'Never heard of that before',  or 'They all do that'. 

Social media / internet has brought an end to 'The 3 monkeys' type behaviour.

 

 

Edited 22 August, 20232 yr by toot

@tootThe cause of the parked BMWs catching fire, even when the owners stated that they had turned the engines off and the cars had been parked for sometime before the fire started could well be related to the fact all the ECU's on modern cars are still connected to the car's battery and therefore drawing power. Now this is normally not an issue unless the car has been sat for more than a few days because the current being drawn from the battery is only a few Millie amps (mA) but electronics do fail and so that current could become a few amps or even a dead short when 100s of amps would flow and cause cables to melt and further shorts until a fire is likely to the result unless the battery becomes flat in the meantime. Back in the day, cars catching fire when they had been parked was almost none existent as the electrics only really consisted in the main of lighting and ignition circuits, both of which are switched OFF when parked. Then along came clocks, radios, heated rear windows, then electronic ignition, fuel injection and Engine Control Modules, ABS, ATC, Climate Control etc until we got to what we have now where cars have loads of active circuits all the time, like the KESSY systems, Alarms etc.

 

On the other point you made about EV fires in the UK, I'll be presenting some info on that later and the results are really quite surprising, and the data also shows why some think that this is not an issue while others do and this is where statistics come into play as any sane person would expect that the biggest concentration of fires is going to be where there is the greatest number EV's, which is the large Cities, the number of fires is rising rapidly which is what I expected as the cars age, the chances increase. Much in line as you would expect for mechanical issues with ICE vehicles, as they age, problems increase. 

Edited 22 August, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

5 hours ago, toot said:

You are posting the horror stories.

Please find the actual horror stories of UK EV,s going on fire while parked or the ones on fire because of accidents and maybe those deaths or horrific injuries from the Electrified car fires. 

 

2 Briskoda members have posted about their Skoda,s going on fire when parked.

No Briskoda members have posted about their EV,s going on fire, but then there are so few members that seem to have EV,s, or PHEV,s or Mild Hybrids.

Maybe in a few years we will here of more sad incidents. 

 

That is not a high statistic / percentage considering how many Briskoda members have a Skoda and how many years the forum has been going.

Even if it is 3 vehicles or a few more that never were posted about onthe forum.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/511114-my-skoda-octavia-mk3-got-caught-on-fire

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/457559-octavia-2014-diesel-vrs-thermal-incident

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/451182-never-thought-this-would-be-the-last-drive

 

 

One thing in common with all 3 of the sad events you listed above is that nobody ever posted what the final conclusion was, and nobody it seems ever asked for any updates on the stories. I have now posted in each of the threads requesting if the OPs are still active members for an update on each of the incidents so we can all learn from them.

 

With regard to the true situation with regard to EV car fires here in the UK, please follow these links, and you will see that there have been a lot of incidences and that as EV numbers are increasing all the time, the number of such events is growing rapidly. Also depending on where in the UK one lives, will also impact on the chances of you ever seeing and EV on fire, but as already mentioned in an earlier post, the larger cities are where there are more EVs and so it should not be a surprise that the lion share of EV uptake is in London and presumably this is highly likely to be because of the journeys arein the main only going to be short local ones, which again I suspected would be the case as I have always thought the range is not there yet nor the infrastructure to support longer trips, or adoption of EV's in less populated areas.

 

FSM - FoI data reveals extent of electric vehicle battery fires in UK (fsmatters.com)

Vehicle Fires – UK Fire Service Resources

How safe are electric cars? | What Car?

Are electric car fires really that common? | The Car Expert

Electric cars ablaze on transporter on M1 | UK News | Sky News

Electric vehicle fires on ships & ferries (evfiresafe.com)

My electric BMW blew up and destroyed eight shops (thetimes.co.uk)

Tesla car spontaneously catches fire, taking 22,000 litres of water to put it out | Evening Standard

Norfolk firefighters face electric vehicle blaze dangers | Eastern Daily Press (edp24.co.uk)

7 Battery Electric Cars a Day Catch Fire in China: The Most Involved Brands - Batteries News

 

 

  

3 hours ago, toot said:

@Graham Butcherwhile they have their lawyers, media / spin teams and vloggers and bloggers and tame journalists i have 1 good working ear, not bad eye sight if i read with my glasses and a pretty good memory for where i hear or see a story so i will keep them honest.

 

Gobby people like me will be making sure they are called out. 

Those that are in the Car Industry and support industries can no longer get away with 'Never heard of that before',  or 'They all do that'. 

Social media / internet has brought an end to 'The 3 monkeys' type behaviour.

 

 

And yet that is just what they do all the time, we have all seen just how the MSM fails to report on lots of things😞

3 hours ago, toot said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like the attention to detail here. The first two monkeys have cigars, but the third, who has a mouth full of cash, hasn't.   

4 minutes ago, Lady Elanore said:

 

 

I like the attention to detail here. The first two monkeys have cigars, but the third, who has a mouth full of cash, hasn't.   

He can't smoke it as he has a mouth full of cash, so no point in having a cigar 🤣

@Graham Butcher   I think you keep missing the point, maybe not explained by me what i want to know.

 

Maybe there are answers in those links so thank you.

 

How many EV,s or electrified vehicles burn out or are on fire might appear in statistics,

but how many go on fire without being in a building that goes on fire or are set on fire maliciously or just for insurance claims. 

Or how many get caught in fires like at a dealership or storage where it was maybe an ICE vehicle that went up first.

 

......................

Was it an EV that started the fire and did they not all catch fire?

Edited 22 August, 20232 yr by toot

8 minutes ago, toot said:

@Graham Butcher   I think you keep missing the point, maybe not explained by me what i want to know.

 

Maybe there are answers in those links so thank you.

 

How many EV,s or electrified vehicles burn out or are on fire might appear in statistics,

but how many go on fire without being in a building that goes on fire or are set on fire maliciously or just for insurance claims. 

Or how many get caught in fires like at a dealership or storage where it was maybe an ICE vehicle that went up first.

 

......................

Was it an EV that started the fire and did they not all catch fire?

Sorry, I can't answer that question, I doubt that anyone can.

When they can that will be a forward step then.  

Lots of people are in the H&S business. 

 

There are lots of BMW EV,s being recalled according to the Daily Mail.  Well so they should be.

Edited 22 August, 20232 yr by toot

Doesn't sound too good, does it?

It certainly not and recalls are important and actually getting them publicised and the vehicles in and fixed.

 

That is not well done in the UK and the DfT/ VOSA are far too lax.  Outstanding Recalls or just notice of recalls are going to be flagged at UK Mots.

 

Pity really the print out on a piece of paper is never looked t by many. more like a receipt than a MOT Certificate as was & many are non the wiser about advisories.

It might be the case eventually that an Outstanding Safety Recall means a Major Fail @ a MOT, and EV,s that require Recall Actions can get an Over The Air Warning to the Driver that the car will immobilise in 7 days, and EV Dealerships / Manufacturers can get their Mobile Technicians out to the vehicles.

 

VW Group had to put out Mobile Techs to get the Defeat Device Recall action moving a bit quicker.   Tesla Dealers put out mobile techs.

I just received this in my inbox Whopping two-thirds of councils have no plans for residential on-street chargers – and car makers are getting increasingly frustrated about it | Regit For 2030 cutoff point things really need to be better planned than this.

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

He can't smoke it as he has a mouth full of cash, so no point in having a cigar 🤣

 

 

 That was my point 

The 25% figure will be from the same people that will tell you your brake pads / discs are 80% worn.

 

That really is the biggest load of guff from the country that has no idea how many people are in the country or properties are subdivided. 

No idea how many people actually live in multi-story buildings.  (eg Grenfell Tower Block.)

 

 

 

 

Edited 22 August, 20232 yr by toot

I think it's important where you get your news from. So I took a look at three of the UK's most read online news sites. (The Mail, The Express and the Telegraph)
It's interesting how many of the articles have a negative spin on EV's/ Hybrids. Interesting that they all seem full of the same sort of people/ writers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?sel=site&searchPhrase=EV+electric+vehicles 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/latest/electric-cars 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/hybrid-electric-cars/

28 minutes ago, @Lee said:

I think it's important where you get your news from. So I took a look at three of the UK's most read online news sites. (The Mail, The Express and the Telegraph)
It's interesting how many of the articles have a negative spin on EV's/ Hybrids. Interesting that they all seem full of the same sort of people/ writers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?sel=site&searchPhrase=EV+electric+vehicles 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/latest/electric-cars 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/hybrid-electric-cars/

Yeah, generally the only thing you can rely on with the newspapers is the day and date, they all have shown over the years to write what their owners dictate and go in for a lot of clickbait.

I've just posted a watch at the post office that I sold on eBay and when they asked me what was in the parcel, I replied a watch and they asked "Has it got a battery" FFS. A little battery, about 5mm by 2mm and they're worried about it, all encased in a chunky stainless steel case, WTF!

I guess they work on the theory that a tiny match head can bring down a building? They probably don't know how secure the battery is inside the housing? I might have a look at YuuuTooob and see if there are any that have been short-circuited for enlightenment purposes 

Nope, nothing except small batteries and the usual things like phones etc 

I can't believe the price for a battery pack for a Porsche Taycan, £40,000 is the alleged Porsche price, fortunately a replacement wasn't required after all, but it does show you why if you have an accident and the battery is damaged, your car is going to be more than likely written off. 

 

(1174) I took my ELECTRIC CAR to the GARAGE! £40,000 for A NEW BATTERY EVer thought this is NOT the FUTURE? - YouTube

This is a bit interesting!!

 

 

It is interesting and in the end he will tell the story and if his car needed a battery his insurance would be covering the cost of it.

It is just annoying how clicking on his vids and linking them pays for the car he says has lost him so much money because he paid so much to buy it on finance.

For him there is a Guide dog for the pretend stupid person in training. 

 

PS

It really has worried him that the Battery Pack might be damaged and it was showing overheating but he just put off getting it looked at, 

posted a clickbait vid first.  

Brain for thinking and half a brain with him. 

 

PPS

He is the kind of **** that when at Trump Turnberry just plugged in and left the car in the bay even when not charging.

Also filmed while in the dining room having breakfast and showed others there how might just not have been there with who they should be.  Did the trip to Scotland with not the smallest of genning up on chargers, charger speeds.

 

This will earn him another farthing.

 

 

 

 

Edited 22 August, 20232 yr by toot

Agreed but with modern video editing etc, it does not mean that things happened in the sequence he portrays them though. TBH, I was hoping that someone might be able to verify if the reported £40,000 was correct or was that figure inflated? Of course the whole thing might just be one giant revenue generator for him and so could be staged?

Edited 22 August, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

There will be Taycan batteries from accident damaged written off cars that have been tested and passed as safe and used again.

Just as with TESLA and other manufacturers.

Maybe Porsche would prefer that they were not but it is a free market. 

4 minutes ago, toot said:

There will be Taycan batteries from accident damaged written off cars that have been tested and passed as safe and used again.

Just as with TESLA and other manufacturers.

Maybe Porsche would prefer that they were not but it is a free market. 

Except, I believe he said in an earlier video that this is a Porsche lease car and is still under warranty, so he would not be allowed to do that.