3 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

True in my case and I would reckon many EV owners. Many hundreds of charges at home but only a handful of public charges in 3.5 years.

 

I can do a 125 trip and back in both of my EVs without charging and have used relatives homes to charge rather than public. Give them some cash and we are both quids in.

 

Some home owners are selling their home electricity to strangers and making a tidy profit. There is an App to facilitate this. As long as you do not do more than a grands worth then HMRC does need to be declared to I heard.

 

With many EVs now doing 300 or 350 miles in the real world then driving much of the day and coming home does not need a public charging.

 

It is debatable whether we will need the 300,000 public chargers if EV range keeps getting greater with new EVs.

 

Are you trying to kid yourself or what, of course we need those 300,000 public chargers.

One thing is certain, direct replacing petrol station with rapid charging hub is stupid and costly, just like hydrogen.

Destination AC slow charging is what makes EV magically cheap and makes life super easy.

 

 

I think the 300,000 public charger number is from here, 2022 goal:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/tenfold-expansion-in-chargepoints-by-2030-as-government-drives-ev-revolution

Quote

Ambitious and innovative chargepoint operators are already committed to installing an additional 15,000 rapid chargepoints across England’s entire road network – a quadrupling of the current offer – and over 100,000 on-street chargepoints by 2025.

 

This is the right ratio, need slow AC charger everywhere.

 

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Are you trying to kid yourself or what, of course we need those 300,000 public chargers.

 

Considering how expensive they are, how super expensive the connection to the grid is and can see how operators think 79 or 85p per kwh is reasonable.

 

Even in the last few weeks I have charged a couple of times at Gridserve Rugby and I have not begrudged them a penny of what they charge, it must be a multi million pound facility.

 

What is so different to ice is that I can fill up to a degree of accuracy to round up to the nearest kWh and arrive home to the kWh I thought I would have and therefore margin I am happy with, a degree of accuracy I was nowhere near in ICE cars.

 

The UK is loaded, more money than it knows what to do with & plenty to ensure UK,s Independence and protect energy and food security.

 

They might as well go for Net Zero and splash the cash on Public Charging hubs that can be Leased out to operators and supplied by Electricity for the Energy that the public are paying to be generate anyway.

Use the Revenue from the Gas & Oil around the UK / Crown Estate licensed grounds. 

 

Loads of money, from taking it off the not very well off. 

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

What is so different to ice is that I can fill up to a degree of accuracy to round up to the nearest kWh and arrive home to the kWh I thought I would have and therefore margin I am happy with, a degree of accuracy I was nowhere near in ICE cars.

Once again, you are only thinking of yourself, whereas I'm coming from the angle of those that cannot charge from home and also those that can, probably have a company car eg, a sales rep or similar  but can only charge so much at home within the given time slots but actually need to cover greater distances then the overnight charge session provides. Like me for example, I would leave Chelmsford early in the morning, drive all the way to Newcastle upon Tyne to visit a site, do a site inspection and then proceed to commission the installation and set up the parameters required etc and then drive back to Chelmsford, the same day, 550 miles, then the next day maybe Port Talbot and back 440 miles and I was not the only person doing those kind of miles a day.

 

This is why EV are not suitable for everybody, the hours were long enough without having to add in lengthy charging stops onto the days as well, my diesel cars, only required a refiill every other day or so and then only 5 to 10 minutes tops and be good for hundreds of miles again.

 

If everybody had a usage case like yours and the ability to home charge and make money from doing so but claiming back as if they had used public chargers then there would be more likely to be way EVs on the road than there is, but the reality I suggest is there far more cases like mine then there is like yours.

Edited 27 January, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

 

 

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95% of EV drivers isn't very meaningful as it doesn't tell how many would be EV drivers there are who do NOT have access to off-road charging.

27 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Once again, you are only thinking of yourself, whereas I'm coming from the angle of those that cannot charge from home and also those that can, probably have a company car eg, a sales rep or similar  but can only charge so much at home within the given time slots but actually need to cover greater distances then the overnight charge session provides. Like me for example, I would leave Chelmsford early in the morning, drive all the way to Newcastle upon Tyne to visit a site, do a site inspection and then proceed to commission the installation and set up the parameters required etc and then drive back to Chelmsford, the same day, 550 miles, then the next day maybe Port Talbot and back 440 miles and I was not the only person doing those kind of miles a day.

This is why EV are not suitable for everybody, the hours were long enough without having to add in lengthy charging stops onto the days as well, my diesel cars, only required a refiill every other day or so and then only 5 to 10 minutes tops and be good for hundreds of miles again.

If everybody had a usage case like yours and the ability to home charge and make money from doing so but claiming back as if they had used public chargers then there would be more likely to be way EVs on the road than there is, but the reality I suggest is there far more cases like mine then there is like yours.

 

People are finding ways to avoid using public chargers or use them when they are much cheaper to use ie off peak.  Charging at relative houses and sharing the savings, as I did with my brother a couple of times in the last fortnight. Good earner for both of us. 

 

I went for the Scenic, love the tech and the design but if I needed to be a motorway muncher I might have gone for a Polestar for example. Maybe a TESLA model 3 SR+ if I did not despise Elon Musk.  These cars are efficient at motorway speeds and charge pretty quickly. If the journey takes 5 or 10 minutes longer than an ICE car, and remember are filling station are at home and we leave home with 100% battery full and no need to stop for 250, 300, 350 mile other than bladders and tummys.

 

More house get built and they have drives, I expect my other kids, one already in a 3 bed semi with a long drive down the side of the house, cheapish house in South Wales but the others will buy modernish houses with drives. Older houses will eventually be demolished to make for new builds.  Even if that is not for everyone then more public chargers at supermarkets like Sainsbury who are rolling out thousands of chargers even charging whilst parked with plugging in ie induction charging is round the corner.  

 

No length stops, even in my old school Zoe, ie 50 kWh charging, time I had been to the toilet got back to the car it was about five minutes before moving off, not much waiting there and with more 800V architecture, those that don't not run fire risk according to MacMaster, charging is even quicker and Chinese are producing cars that link to 560 KW chargers than can change in 7 minutes.  Long wait charging is not really much if a thing now if one plans the journey with a bit of thought.    

 

@lol-lol  Lets go real world if The MacMaster can be considered  real world.

 

215 miles available to him in his £120,000 RRP Taycan from a 100% battery, so that might be 4 hours driving.   He then needs 1 hour and 20 minutes maybe to charger if you wants to do another 200 miles.

Maybe just weather, maybe just the chargers, but that is a big battery car and just not efficient.

 

But say you have a 100 kWh battery BEV and it goes 300 miles and needs charged. Great if there is a 150-350 kW charger available.

If not then you are waiting if travelling 400 miles plus.

 

If you have a 60 kWh battery and getting just 80 kW max charge speed and a 60 kW average then you are 60 minutes charging to continue on. 

4 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@lol-lol  Lets go real world if The MacMaster can be considered  real world.

 

215 miles available to him in his £120,000 RRP Taycan from a 100% battery, so that might be 4 hours driving.   He then needs 1 hour and 20 minutes maybe to charger if you wants to do another 200 miles.

Maybe just weather, maybe just the chargers, but that is a big battery car and just not efficient.

 

But say you have a 100 kWh battery BEV and it goes 300 miles and needs charged. Great if there is a 150-350 kW charger available.

If not then you are waiting if travelling 400 miles plus.

 

If you have a 60 kWh battery and getting just 80 kW max charge speed and a 60 kW average then you are 60 minutes charging to continue on. 

 

If you need to do a use a full battery's distance again. To me that is spending most of the working day driving.

 

Driving two or maybe two and half hours, which most EVs of the last few years will do with ease, time your charge to your comfort break. most devent EVs charge at approaching 150 kw for their first 50%, gives you say 150 miles of charge and you can charge in 2 or 2.5 hours if you are on one of these mad southern England to Scotland journeys.

 

Wll be very interesting to see the price of £40k to £45k EVs tumble below £40k when the VED hike hits in 60 days time. Yes still monthly cost of around £500k a month is not cheap but if on good finance deal, very low running and servicing, and with Salary sacrifice bring that monthly down to £300 or £400 a month and very low overheads one can see why drivers who do loads of miles go for EVs.

  

2 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

If you need to do a use a full battery's distance again. To me that is spending most of the working day driving.

 

Driving two or maybe two and half hours, which most EVs of the last few years will do with ease, time your charge to your comfort break. most devent EVs charge at approaching 150 kw for their first 50%, gives you say 150 miles of charge and you can charge in 2 or 2.5 hours if you are on one of these mad southern England to Scotland journeys.

 

Wll be very interesting to see the price of £40k to £45k EVs tumble below £40k when the VED hike hits in 60 days time. Yes still monthly cost of around £500k a month is not cheap but if on good finance deal, very low running and servicing, and with Salary sacrifice bring that monthly down to £300 or £400 a month and very low overheads one can see why drivers who do loads of miles go for EVs.

  

Be that as it may, for many that is reality right there, you are lucky to work for such an understanding company, many do not have that luxury nor do a lot of companies afford to buy such cars as you describe, my company for instance couldn't when I was there it was a start up company and stood or fell by the hard work and hours that its salaried external staff put in and in return for that those early pioneers were given company shares.  

We know why THEY go for them. Businesses, commercial drivers,

Cash money, Wedge, Readies.  Dosh, thanks to the General Public and HMG & HMRC.

(As far as a Mid Wage driver sitting 2 hours in a day costing £50. nothing compared to the saving to the employer.)

But if the 2 years could be bringing in £300 if a trades person was doing work that is different.)

 

@lol-lol   It is not all about Business / Commercial users and your tax benefits and paid to drive / travel or sit using a phone of computer while charging.

 

But then there are REPS / Commercial Travellers that are on the road almost all day of their working week.

I meet them. bosses, managers, etc etc going shop to shop, or supermarket, garage etc.  Driving a Tesla mostly. 

Edited 27 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

39 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

We know why THEY go for them. Businesses, commercial drivers,

Cash money, Wedge, Readies.  Dosh, thanks to the General Public and HMG & HMRC.

(As far as a Mid Wage driver sitting 2 hours in a day costing £50. nothing compared to the saving to the employer.)

But if the 2 years could be bringing in £300 if a trades person was doing work that is different.)

@lol-lol   It is not all about Business / Commercial users and your tax benefits and paid to drive / travel or sit using a phone of computer while charging.

But then there are REPS / Commercial Travellers that are on the road almost all day of their working week.

I meet them. bosses, managers, etc etc going shop to shop, or supermarket, garage etc.  Driving a Tesla mostly. 

 

The flip side is those of us receiving what appears handsome car allowances are increasingly paying ever larger tax bill as the fiscal drag started by the last government and continued by Labour as the UK is in such an economic black hole, £2,800,000,000,000 public debt so my on paper generous car allowance get taxed £3,600 to go and pay for people's pensions and the like.   The home chargers we have we paid for, one way or another ie as part of the car package or as a separate payment, employing someone paying VAT on the install I think it was back then, not sure now but still about £1k cost.  TESLA took an early lead and the new Juniper Model Y is probably awesome and maybe the best selling car in the world as it has been the last two years but I will not be getting one due to the Musk association. Yes we all want more and better public chargers but it is one of the most difficult tasks to perform due to the grid demands and timings.  We need more Megapack and Powerwall type batteries, just an alternative to TESLA supplying please.  

 

 We forget the mission sometimes, reduce CO2 so our children, grandchildren etc are not spending ever increasing parts of their income on climate change.

 

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Edited 27 January, 20251 yr by lol-lol

38 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

We know why THEY go for them. Businesses, commercial drivers,

Cash money, Wedge, Readies.  Dosh, thanks to the General Public and HMG & HMRC.

(As far as a Mid Wage driver sitting 2 hours in a day costing £50. nothing compared to the saving to the employer.)

But if the 2 years could be bringing in £300 if a trades person was doing work that is different.)

 

@lol-lol   It is not all about Business / Commercial users and your tax benefits and paid to drive / travel or sit using a phone of computer while charging.

 

But then there are REPS / Commercial Travellers that are on the road almost all day of their working week.

I meet them. bosses, managers, etc etc going shop to shop, or supermarket, garage etc.  Driving a Tesla mostly. 

 

In the 'real' world people aren't allowed to drive unless they absolutely have to - but are told to take a train and taxi's / PT instead so they can do productive work whilst on the train rather than sitting at 50mph driving somewhere for a few hours watching the world go by...

So English. 

Trains lines do not cover all of the UK as some might think, or motorways, or even buses. 

 

@skomaz  Guff. There are reps / area managers etc with 'Samples' or a tablet and mobile in the car up and down the country all the time.

M&S, Tesco, Asda, just any of the stores, retail groups. I meet Surveyors, Techs etc regularly charging at say Stirling and on the way to Inverness, Aberdeen etc.

I meet ones desperate to change a car back to an ICE.

@domhnall might tell you how many miles he covers for work. Going to work & back. 

 

The guys and gals on the road maintaining EV chargers are not travelling by train. Not all travel by EV either. Pod Point had drivers is a REX Van going from Central Scotland to the far north.

The guys i used to meet on the job did not use a EV, as they had too many miles to cover to work and chargers were not reliable. 

One company they worked for had 3 techs covering all of Scotland including islands back 5 years ago. 

 

 

 

Edited 27 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

So English. 

Trains lines do not cover all of the UK as some might think, or motorways, or even buses. 

 

@skomaz  Guff. There are reps / area managers etc with 'Samples' or a tablet and mobile in the car up and down the country all the time.

M&S, Tesco, Asda, just any of the stores, retail groups. I meet Surveyors, Techs etc regularly charging at say Stirling and on the way to Inverness, Aberdeen etc.

I meet ones desperate to change a car back to an ICE.

@domhnall might tell you how many miles he covers for work. Going to work & back. 

 

The guys and gals on the road maintaining EV chargers are not travelling by train. Not all travel by EV either. Pod Point had drivers is a REX Van going from Central Scotland to the far north.

The guys i used to meet on the job did not use a EV, as they had too many miles to cover to work and chargers were not reliable. 

One company they worked for had 3 techs covering all of Scotland including islands back 5 years ago. 

 

 

 

The same as me, a boot full of spares and samples and test equipment and many sites were indeed miles away from any train station, no way could I do my job using any form of PT

4 hours ago, Ootohere said:

@lol-lol  Lets go real world if The MacMaster can be considered  real world.

 

215 miles available to him in his £120,000 RRP Taycan from a 100% battery, so that might be 4 hours driving.   He then needs 1 hour and 20 minutes maybe to charger if you wants to do another 200 miles.

Maybe just weather, maybe just the chargers, but that is a big battery car and just not efficient.

 

But say you have a 100 kWh battery BEV and it goes 300 miles and needs charged. Great if there is a 150-350 kW charger available.

If not then you are waiting if travelling 400 miles plus.

 

If you have a 60 kWh battery and getting just 80 kW max charge speed and a 60 kW average then you are 60 minutes charging to continue on. 

Simple answer is not to wait around for 100%.

That car can charge to 80% in 20min with the right charger. Of course, the car/driver may not be smart enough to nav to the right charger.

 

For my car, the only time I needed to stay for longer than 30min at a supercharger was at Fort Williams before I drove into a CPS-only area. Every other time ~20 minutes was more than enough to get to the next stop.

Actually, I could have driven directly into Skye if we had destination charging at the airbnb.

 

Destination charging is the key to ease of EV ownership. Public charging is only required when the car can't recharge while I recharge.

4 hours ago, Ootohere said:

So English. 

Trains lines do not cover all of the UK as some might think, or motorways, or even buses. 

 

@skomaz  Guff. There are reps / area managers etc with 'Samples' or a tablet and mobile in the car up and down the country all the time.

M&S, Tesco, Asda, just any of the stores, retail groups. I meet Surveyors, Techs etc regularly charging at say Stirling and on the way to Inverness, Aberdeen etc.

I meet ones desperate to change a car back to an ICE.

@domhnall might tell you how many miles he covers for work. Going to work & back. 

 

The guys and gals on the road maintaining EV chargers are not travelling by train. Not all travel by EV either. Pod Point had drivers is a REX Van going from Central Scotland to the far north.

The guys i used to meet on the job did not use a EV, as they had too many miles to cover to work and chargers were not reliable. 

One company they worked for had 3 techs covering all of Scotland including islands back 5 years ago. 

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

The same as me, a boot full of spares and samples and test equipment and many sites were indeed miles away from any train station, no way could I do my job using any form of PT

 

Don't get me wrong I totally agree with what both of you are saying and agree some jobs do require driving with a boot full of kit etc.

 

I was actually pointing out that jobs that some posters here do would often, in a 'normal' company, be required to be done differently and not by driving for hours and hours of unproductive time in a Renault EV driving to and from locations that are well served by PT and not in the middle of nowhere. 

 

Apologies to others but a certain poster lives in cloud cuckoo land in terms of his grasp on reality at times and what happens and what people do in the real world and real jobs! 

 

Ah sod it...   I'm out of this discussion for a while...   The crap being talked by certain posters and their blinkered view of life and reality is winding me up too much. 

Edited 27 January, 20251 yr by skomaz

5 hours ago, Ootohere said:

@lol-lol  Lets go real world if The MacMaster can be considered  real world.

 

215 miles available to him in his £120,000 RRP Taycan from a 100% battery, so that might be 4 hours driving.   He then needs 1 hour and 20 minutes maybe to charger if you wants to do another 200 miles.

Maybe just weather, maybe just the chargers, but that is a big battery car and just not efficient.

 

But say you have a 100 kWh battery BEV and it goes 300 miles and needs charged. Great if there is a 150-350 kW charger available.

If not then you are waiting if travelling 400 miles plus.

 

If you have a 60 kWh battery and getting just 80 kW max charge speed and a 60 kW average then you are 60 minutes charging to continue on. 

2022 Porsche Taycan

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202412247522738?sort=price-asc&searchId=2182a4cc-a097-4636-b329-7951c629be9a&advertising-location=at_cars&make=Porsche&model=Taycan&postcode=Al12bx&year-from=2022&year-to=2022&fromsra

26 minutes ago, skomaz said:

 

 

Don't get me wrong I totally agree with what both of you are saying and agree some jobs do require driving with a boot full of kit etc.

 

I was actually pointing out that jobs that some posters here do would often, in a 'normal' company, be required to be done differently and not by driving for hours and hours of unproductive time in a Renault EV driving to and from locations that are well served by PT and not in the middle of nowhere. 

 

Apologies to others but a certain poster lives in cloud cuckoo land in terms of his grasp on reality at times and what happens and what people do in the real world and real jobs! 

I think that for the most part some of them are only able to see how it affects them and are severely lacking in empathy for others who are not in the same privileged positions they are in, for example there can only be 1 MD or CEO in a company but thousands of others at varying degrees of seniority beneath them, right to the toilet cleaners, but each and every person is vital to that company in their own way and at each level, they are reliant on the others doing their part.

 

 

Edited 27 January, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

@Stonekeeper  You showed what could should, might maybe or sometimes might be the charging you get with a Taycan, but you are not showing what The MacMaster showed he was getting real world where he was. 

 

Registered Oct.2021  Usable battery 82.3 kW.   (& not a Sport Turismo.)  But much the same efficiency. 

Charging with the benefit of the Porsche Card @ 39 pence a kWh.

His car was showing a range based on getting about 2.4 miles a kWh.

 

For simples back of a fag packet calculations getting at worst 2.1 miles a kWh. 

100 kWh is £39. 

210 miles for £39.   

 Petrol Unleaded for a Porsche 911, not even Super Unleaded. 136 pence a litre. 40 mpg, 5.2 gallons. 24 litres. £32.64

35 mpg. 6.5 gallons. 30 litres.  £40.00

 

But really in THE REAL WORLD. compare buying a Petrol or Diesel Porsche or Hybrid and cost, spec, options and then depreciation, and maintenance / tyres,  insurance, VED and then if a Private car or a car for Business use,  BIK if it is a Company car etc. 

A private buyer / renter and a business user, using for work as a Video Maker, Food Reviewer, Self Employed Vlogger is different from a person using for Social Domestic or Pleasure and commuting or not commuting. 

 

The last time he was getting tyres and showed on a video the price i posted the tyre size and the costs of the same performance of cars and tyres that were the same price or more expensive.

If BMW Run Flat Tyres in even smaller sizes they could be much more expensive and not EV specific tyres. Just the correct load and speed ratings. 

 

 

 

InstaVolt for Night Birds, PEOPLE WHO PAY TO TRAVEL WITH THEIR OWN MONEY, or even Commercial Travellers etc maybe not using a Tesla Supercharger, or a Porsche or Ionity with SPECIAL RATES, PORSCHE CARDS, etc.

 

 

 

Edited 28 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

It would seem that charger throttling is real and it all depends on the size of the incoming supply, the number of cars and their SOC, being charged at the time and depending on where the charger is and the total local demand in the area at the time which may cause a slight volt drop, i.e. is it summer with low power demand, or is it winter and in the middle of a deep freeze like it was recently and the local houses are all running on electric heating.  I have seen many videos saying the same thing, including I seem to recall Dave Takes it On says it is a real thing and also a whistleblower at Grid Serve said the same thing.

 

As a matter of interest, at the first charge point, Ionity in Leeds, they only have 6 chargers and at Porsche South Lakes, they only have 3 chargers. I only watched at this point the 1st video as I find I can't watch him for too long and that one was 53 mins long, the 2nd one is 39 mins long.

17 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

It would seem that charger throttling is real and it all depends on the size of the incoming supply, the number of cars and their SOC, being charged at the time and depending on where the charger is and the total local demand in the area at the time which may cause a slight volt drop, i.e. is it summer with low power demand, or is it winter and in the middle of a deep freeze like it was recently and the local houses are all running on electric heating.  I have seen many videos saying the same thing, including I seem to recall Dave Takes it On says it is a real thing and also a whistleblower at Grid Serve said the same thing.

Of course it's a real thing. Electricity comes from a limited pipe. 

 

Key is managing this using on-site battery and being smart about power distribution. Throttling wouldn't be a thing at large Gridserve hubs with on-site battery. Part of Gridserve business model is to use those battery and grid connections to make money, EV charging is their public-facing side-gig. 

Most Osprey and all Tesla locations also have backend management so that cars that are slowing down charging could allow other cars to ramp up. All managed by backend system and sharing banks of AD-DC inverters. If site-power isn't enough, it could throttle all cars by a small amount rather than penalise the last person connected. 

 

Osprey's Kempower stalls also tells the user what is causing the slow speed, whether it is the car or the charger. Tesla vehicle can also do so on the screen. This is great to keep people informed and all rapid chargers should have this. 

 

I think current Ionity chargers do not have much power sharing management backend, they are individual chargers that dumbly throttles when site-power (probably includes service building) isn't enough. 

The MacMasters comment about 22 kW speed at 95% battery is strange.

 

To me with a battery nearly 1/3 the size of his with a max speed of 50 kW charging i might get 11 kW at 90% and 6-7 kW indicated at 95%. 

The Taycan is only about 900 kG more than the old MINI Electric. 

The MINI,s efficiency seems poor, but so is the Porsche.  Pathetic really for a built from a clean sheet BEV.

 

As to Indicated range. Even with a Heat Pump.  If you have the AC on while charging then the Possible range can show low, even lower than you might get even with the AC on all the time.  It is worth looking when Charged or charging the difference the car guess,s with or without the AC enabled.

Personally it is 10% or more less range with AC on when charging. Actually when driving i do put on AC occasionally, that is to de-mist the windscreen.

Then there is differences with various BEV,s as to keeping the inside glass clear when there are passengers or not.

 

As to trucking about in a high performance EV on your Jack Jones and not getting great efficiency or much cheapness that is just how it can be with a Porsche / Audi and maybe Mercs / Jags.

Edited 28 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

I  am very new to the ev life but what i do notice in Macmaster videos is

He always seems to get up in the morning needing to charge the car?

He always seems to charge to 100%?

He always shows the car starting to charge and shows it starting then goes away?

He always comes back just before 100% and shows the speed of charge then?

 

 

From other bloggers this is stated as everything not to do.

He always seem to fart about before charging but setting up the camera and then starting charging is supposed by his timing about 4 minutes from stopping at the charge place.

Except when having issues.

 

£4-5 a coffee every charge up if getting only over 200 miles a charge adds up. Add pastries and what you get are fat lumps driving fat lumps of cars.

OEM  Summer (All seasons as in the UK, but not ALL-SEASON) Tyres as on a Porsche for Sporty driving start with not great tread depths.

 

All-Season tyres would make sense for such canny driving, and worriers about getting in or out of charger bays if the is some UK winter weather. 

More tread depth to start with and you are only doing UK nSL,s while filming yourself. 

 

Phone Apps let you see when the car is charged or how much charged, it is muppets that just go and do not bother to get back and unlugged.

 

If you need the Range then charging to 100% is not an issue, but if others are waiting and you can get away with Slash and Dashes, or you are in Charger Heaven then going to 100% might well take extra time, and there can be all chargers working with all cars charging slow in the last 10% to 100%.

 

Plenty charge and work on their laptop, phone etc.

Bloggers could sit and talk to their followers about the last video.

 

Saying things like 'People are not speaking about the high VED over £40,000'    Well maybe look online, people have been talking about it.

Edited 28 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere