2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

I think the idea is to use voice rather than finger on the 17 inch tablet.  TESLA have window buttons and indicator etc stalks I gather.

 

On most TESLA the screen is on the right side of the driver as vast majority of TESLAs are LHD.  TESLA does not even make half its models in RHD ie the S or the X currently.

 

 "Left side is the right side and the right side is the wrong side", oh that is for charge ports rather than tablet. Take a 17 inch tablet and see me in the morning.  

 

If the speech engine is as good as that in my TomTom sat nav, it is almost useless.

5 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Well Einstein, you are so wrong with your assertions, try 415V RMS, 3 phase supply which has a peak to peak voltage of approx 680Vac @50Hz with 2,000A incomer in a switchboard and see how you fair. 

 

FYI, I am well aware that it's the bodies muscles that throw a person across a room, and its, the muscles' reaction to electrical stimulus received from the shock. AC passes through 0V 100 times on a 50Hz supply which allow the muscles to force the body away from the point of contact as the voltage swings between +ve and -ve , whereas on a DC supply, there is never going to be 0V until either the energy is dissipated or the supply is switched off. On a DC supply, the point of contact with the voltage is critical when it comes to being locked onto the supply, but as always the voltage and the available amount of energy also play a large part. 

 

You as a self-confessed person who used to design electronics parts for the automotive industry should be aware that there is a huge difference in the amount of energy being supplied from a charged capacitor in electronics to say that coming from a mercury arc rectifier. 

 

The video link is more for the benefit of others to get a grasp of what we are talking about and the kind of energy involved.

 

 

You seem to about a decade behind on super and ultracapacitors.  How about enough power to move 6m and 12 buses and keep them running all day with only occasional 20 second charges. Still electronics but dealing with MJ of power.  Large capacitors in vehicles regen system not just straight in to lithium battery.

These Super/Ultra-Capacitors look like battery packs, mechanics oft think are batteries but they are supercapacitor packs.

KERRs in F1 cars etc.   Video below gets me a bit excited, not sure why......

 

11 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

If the speech engine is as good as that in my TomTom sat nav, it is almost useless.

 

One must speak the Queen/King's English naturally. 

@lol-lolmy phone, google, waze etc understands what i ask.

The car listens and then gives me a choice of locations usually in Germany. 

3 hours ago, toot said:

Personally i can not be doing with them. 

I do not always want my phone with me & when in the car i am hopeless using my left hand to use touch screens.

Horses for courses and it is good there are choices within EV,s just as there are with ICE vehicles. 

There are going to be a very large number of used TESLA available just as there will be with other manufacturers vehicles.

 

I am even crap driving and stretching a finger far left to get a button when driving a right hand drive car that has the various stuff to suit a left hand drive car other then the steering wheel moved to the other side.

 

Lane keep assist has saved me a few times for crashing, burning or just kerbing a wheel. 

I do not have that anymore but then i do not need to use a touch screen either when driving my daily.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Totally agree with you on this, the Superb is better in this respect but even that annoys the hell out of me. In my old Mk2 there was a push button on the steering wheel to start and end a phone call, so it could be operated without taking my eyes off the road. In the Mk3 this is no longer the case, that function is now moved to the touch screen, which demands that I have to look at the screen in order to touch it in the right spot.

 

While all of this makes the cars cheaper to make, it does not translate into cheaper cars for us to purchase, or cheaper to replace say a screen if the digitizer fails. It also has not gone unnoticed by the insurance companies, and premiums have been adjusted upwards to reflect the higher chances of a claim being made.

 

Personally, I see no difference in using a central touch screen like that in a Tesla to using a mobile phone in a car, if the driver has to look at it in order to operate it, then it should have no place in a car. 

22 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

One must speak the Queen/King's English naturally. 

Utterly useless to a overseas visitor, but switches and knobs aren't, they remain in the same place in a car model sold in Germany, USA, UK etc so any driver, regardless of their native tongue could sit in the same model in any country and just drive it safely as they will already know where the buttons are located.

11 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

https://www.ev-volumes.com/

 

That site is just referring to new car sales for the last 3 years, and PHEV and EV's are still in the minority and will take several years to achieve an equal balance between ICE and EV on the UK roads, so my point is still valid.

Mony a mickle maks a muckle.  Drip drip drip.

 

The rules / legislation on First Registrations and emissions are coming in for the manufacturers in the UK and in the EU so someone will be able to do the calculations.

It hardly matters anyway, as Que sera sera.

 

The car manufacturers or some of them seem pretty  peed off right now by the whole set up and messing up their planning or lack of planning.

The UK could have several changes of Government before 2035 & world events.

Edited 25 September, 20232 yr by toot

11 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Utterly useless to a overseas visitor, but switches and knobs aren't, they remain in the same place in a car model sold in Germany, USA, UK etc so any driver, regardless of their native tongue could sit in the same model in any country and just drive it safely as they will already know where the buttons are located.

 

TESLA cars are normally programmed with 20 languages and if one includes English, Spanish, Urdu, Cantonese and a few other choice ones one should be able to cover a language most people can speak.  If one is renting ahead I expect one can ask the hire company to download and install ie Portuguese/Brazilian or whatever. Not difficult.   

9 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

That site is just referring to new car sales for the last 3 years, and PHEV and EV's are still in the minority and will take several years to achieve an equal balance between ICE and EV on the UK roads, so my point is still valid.

 

No it does not.

It mentions cumulative amounts of EVs ie ....

 

For the full year of 2023, we expect sales of 14 million EVs, a growth of 33 % over 2022, with BEVs reaching 10 million units and PHEVs 4 million units.

By the end of 2023 we expect 40 million EVs in operation, counting light vehicles, 70 % are BEVs and 30 % PHEVs.

36 minutes ago, toot said:

@lol-lolmy phone, google, waze etc understands what i ask.

The car listens and then gives me a choice of locations usually in Germany. 

 

vorsprung durch technik.  This is what you get from German/BMW Minis.  

Would not have happened in my G Reg, first time round, 850 cc mini.

 

49 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

You seem to about a decade behind on super and ultracapacitors.  How about enough power to move 6m and 12 buses and keep them running all day with only occasional 20 second charges. Still electronics but dealing with MJ of power.  Large capacitors in vehicles regen system not just straight in to lithium battery.

These Super/Ultra-Capacitors look like battery packs, mechanics oft think are batteries but they are supercapacitor packs.

KERRs in F1 cars etc.   Video below gets me a bit excited, not sure why......

 

Not at all, how many of these supercapacitors do you find in the modern car? Certainly not in the parts that @J.R. said he was designing years ago. Technology is always developing at a pace and the types of capacitor I was referring to in electronics are those used to smooth out any transients such as small breaks/dips in the supply rails of electronic circuits such as @automass was having with his dashcam and mobile phone disconnecting and reconnecting each time his start/stop cut in and out. Such capacitors only need to store very small amounts of energy to keep such items fed with power when there was a major dip in the car's supply voltage due to the start-up current causing a volt drop.  

Edited 25 September, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

Just getting my Zoe back from its B service, £120 cost.

 

Just booked the Arkana for its B service, £249 cost.  Damn the expensive to service and run ICE cars !

 

9 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

No it does not.

It mentions cumulative amounts of EVs ie ....

 

For the full year of 2023, we expect sales of 14 million EVs, a growth of 33 % over 2022, with BEVs reaching 10 million units and PHEVs 4 million units.

By the end of 2023 we expect 40 million EVs in operation, counting light vehicles, 70 % are BEVs and 30 % PHEVs.

In the UK???? We currently only have 35million cars in the UK of all types.

Edited 25 September, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

16 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

TESLA cars are normally programmed with 20 languages and if one includes English, Spanish, Urdu, Cantonese and a few other choice ones one should be able to cover a language most people can speak.  If one is renting ahead I expect one can ask the hire company to download and install ie Portuguese/Brazilian or whatever. Not difficult.   

But it still remains a requirement to look at the screen to operate. All electronics today that use screens have the ability to change the language to suit the person operating it. 

24 minutes ago, toot said:

Mony a mickle maks a muckle.  Drip drip drip.

 

The rules / legislation on First Registrations and emissions are coming in for the manufacturers in the UK and in the EU so someone will be able to do the calculations.

It hardly matters anyway, as Que sera sera.

 

The car manufacturers or some of them seem pretty  peed off right now by the whole set up and messing up their planning or lack of planning.

The UK could have several changes of Government before 2035 & world events.

Yep, and if Mike Brewer is correct, that can could be further kicked down the road again, and so they have every right to be peed off.

14 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

In the UK???? We currently only have 35million cars in the UK of all types.

 

The UK is a backwater.  Most big car makers will not make RHD versions until they have got a good sized batch of LHD version as this is where most their sales are.

 

We all breathe the same air and this is why many of us are try to move forward to "Stop Burning Stuff".  

 

Some of us think not it little nationalist ways but as a citizen of Earth.

 

5 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

The UK is a backwater.  Most big car makers will not make RHD versions until they have got a good sized batch of LHD version as this is where most their sales are.

 

We all breathe the same air and this is why many of us are try to move forward to "Stop Burning Stuff".  

 

Some of us think not it little nationalist ways but as a citizen of Earth.

 

The same still holds true, there are billions of cars on the road across the globe, and you mention having 40million EVs by the end of this year 🤣

 

How Many Cars Are There In The World? Statistics by Country. (hedgescompany.com)

Edited 25 September, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

4 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

The same still holds true, there are billions of cars on the road across the globe, and you mention having 40million EVs by the end of this year 🤣

How Many Cars Are There In The World? Statistics by Country. (hedgescompany.com)

 

You either cannot read properly or have a strange way of rounding.

 

There is just a bit over a billions cars in the world.  Now about 4 % of them are EVs and this is rapidly changing.

There is just under half a billion vans and trucks.

There are about three quarter of a billion motorbikes.

 

Many vans and some trucks are now EVs. DPD in the UK and several European countries is more EV than ICE. 

There are several motorcycle manufacturers than make EV bikes and in the next few days Kawasaki will launch its EV bike..... (not got it quite right as it needed to be at least 10 kWs)

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 25 September, 20232 yr by lol-lol

3 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

You either cannot read properly or have a strange way of rounding.

 

There is just a bit over a billions cars in the world.  Now about 4 % of them are EVs and this is rapidly changing.

The is just under half a billion vans and trucks.

There are about three quarter of a billion motorbikes.

 

Many vans and some trucks are now EVs. DPD in the UK and several European countries is more EV than ICE. 

There are several motorcycle manufacturers than make EV bikes and in the next few days Kawasaki will launch its EV bike..... (not got it quite right as it needed to be at least 10 kWs)

 

 

 

 

 

Either way, it is still not that many, and if the can keeps getting kicked down the road, that small number might begin to shrink a bit, who knows?

If the papers today are reporting fact then Nissan is not building ICE vehicles from 2030.

Is this in the UK / EU?

 

The video yesterday posted on the Tesla Y had the Motoring Journalist say something funny about not being able to build ICE vehicles from 2030 being pushed back to 2035.

 

There was / is nothing against Building them for Export, it is about First Registering them in the UK from 2030 and for the time being the Tory Government saying it will now be 2035.

 

The UK manufacturers like Rolls Royce / Bentley, Nissan, MINI, JLR, Stellantis manufacture cars / vans for other world regions / countries.

Edited 25 September, 20232 yr by toot

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Either way, it is still not that many, and if the can keeps getting kicked down the road, that small number might begin to shrink a bit, who knows?

 

40 million, a small number !!!

The sales charts.

Looking like it will be over 1M TESLA Model Ys sold this year and add that to the millions of other EVs being sold in 2023 

 

I think there might well be less vehicles eventually as why have one on the drive, or in the road as self driving cars, again TESLA leading the rollout.

UK kids finding it very difficult to get a driving test so eventually why both to get a licence as cars will drive you around.

We will need a lot less cars if they are just coming to you when needed and just ****ing outside ones property 95% of the time.

 

3 hours ago, toot said:

If the papers today are reporting fact then Nissan is not building ICE vehicles from 2030.

Is this in the UK / EU?

The video yesterday posted on the Tesla Y had the Motoring Journalist say something funny about not being able to build ICE vehicles from 2030 being pushed back to 2035.

There was / is nothing against Building them for Export, it is about First Registering them in the UK from 2030 and for the time being the Tory Government saying it will now be 2035.

The UK manufacturers like Rolls Royce / Bentley, Nissan, MINI, JLR, Stellantis manufacture cars / vans for other world regions / countries.

 

If Nissan cannot solve it junk bond issue, cannot lend from Japanese government, then it will be out of business well before 2030.  LEAF out of date, ARIYA seems quite good and I would buy rather than an Megane-e which it share platform with but sales are rubbish in the States and it looks like it is going to oblivion as with other Japanese car companies who look like they have missed the EV boat unless the pull out fantastic solid state batteries but they seem more like the Wizard of Oz rather than TESLA at the moment.

 

Judge Judy would tell you, 'borrow from'   not lend from someone,  you lend to someone and Nissan are not lending to the Government of Japan. 

4 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

The UK is a backwater.  Most big car makers will not make RHD versions until they have got a good sized batch of LHD version as this is where most their sales are.

 

We all breathe the same air and this is why many of us are try to move forward to "Stop Burning Stuff".  

 

Some of us think not it little nationalist ways but as a citizen of Earth.

 

 

 

We could just buy Japanese vehicles then.