Shame on the UK Government & Government Ministers & the Tory Party for the arrangement they are coming to with Rwanda.

[Ootohere]

Taking people that have crossed the English Channel illegally as the UK Government class people to Rewanda is a scandal IMO.

They are playing about with words like for Resettlement.  

 

If the bill the Government is going to try to have passed does go through then shame on those that vote for it in the House of Lords or the British Parliament. 

Edited 14 April, 2022 by roottoot

[StevesTruck]

I wouldn't pay too much attention to it. Priti Patel's been coming out with more and more outlandish plans the longer she stays in office and none of them have come to fruition, all she's doing is trying to distract from how much she's failed to deal with the problem. 

[@Lee]

It's disgusting, George.

Appeasing racists. No more, no less. 

Here's Patel on Question Time from a while back.

 

Edited 14 April, 2022 by @Lee

[Ootohere]

I think he near filled his pants as well as gagging.

 

 

Stutter stutter stutter, and talk nonsense.  

 

 

 

 

 

[john999boy]

Let’s not try and merge capital punishment with illegal immigrants please.

[@Lee]

17 minutes ago, john999boy said:

Let’s not try and merge capital punishment with illegal immigrants please.

Just an insight into the dark mind of the Home Secretary, John

[@Lee]

From the UN Feb 2021
 

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(Geneva) – United Nations member countries offered strong criticism and scores of recommendations addressing Rwanda’s human rights record during the country’s Universal Periodic Review (UPR) at the Human Rights Council in Geneva on January 25, 2021.

During the review, countries across all regions called on Rwanda to end torture and ill-treatment, and investigate cases of extrajudicial killings, enforced disappearances, arbitrary detention, and deaths in custody. Many countries said that Rwanda should allow journalists and activists to work independently and nongovernmental organizations to register, and protect freedom of expression, including by reforming its media law and the penal code. Several countries also said that Rwanda should protect marginalized groups, such as children living on the streets, and ensure that they are not subjected to arbitrary arrest and detention, including in “transit” centers.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/02/01/un-countries-call-out-rwandas-rights-record

 

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“Arbitrary detention, ill-treatment, and torture in official and unofficial detention facilities is commonplace, and fair trial standards are routinely flouted in many sensitive political cases, in which security-related charges are often used to prosecute prominent government critics. Arbitrary detention and mistreatment of street children, sex workers and petty vendors occurs widely.”

As for specific minorities, the gay rights group Rainbow Migration warns that Rwanda has no legislation in place to protect LGBT+ people and says the British government’s new agreement “means that LGBTQI+ people who have fled life-threatening situations in their home countries, and sought safety and protection from the UK, will instead be sent to a country where it is not safe for LGBTQI+ people to be open about the sexual orientation or gender identity.

“The situation for LGBTQI+ people in Rwanda is so poor that it is a source country for people seeking asylum in the UK based on their sexual orientation, albeit in low numbers.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-asylum-rwanda-human-rights-b2057909.html

I read once that Tony Benn said “The way a government treats refugees is very instructive because it shows you how they would treat the rest of us if they thought they could get away with it."

Edited 14 April, 2022 by @Lee

[@Lee]

YouGov poll 
 

 

[@Lee]

Statement from the Council of Europe (which the UK is still a member of) 

 

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“Today’s announcement by the UK government of its intention to offshore asylum processing to Rwanda sends a worrying signal”, said Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights, Dunja Mijatović. “Not only does such externalisation raise questions about the protection of the human rights of the people involved. It also indicates that the UK intends to shift the responsibility for what is in fact a very small proportion of people seeking protection worldwide from its territory to that of another country. Such a shift in responsibility  runs the risk of seriously undermining the global system of international protection.”

https://www.coe.int/en/web/commissioner/-/united-kingdom-government-s-intention-to-offshore-asylum-processing-to-rwanda-sends-a-worrying-signal

From April 2021. Nice company some people keep...
 

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The European Conservatives and Democratic Alliance – chaired by British Conservative MP Ian Liddell-Grainger – includes members from Germany’s Alternative for Germany (AfD), Greece’s Greek Solution, the Sweden Democrats, Itay’s Lega, Austria’s Freedom Party, and Spain’s Vox. The group was co-founded by Poland’s Law and Justice (PiS) Party.

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/04/12/mainstream-conservatism-and-far-right-extremism-an-increasingly-blurred-distinction/

Edited 14 April, 2022 by @Lee

[Eddie-NL]

I would liken it to a cruel game of Snakes and Ladders for the poor people trying to make it here.

 

[Breezy_Pete]

Frankie Boyle sums it up well, I feel Frankie Boyle had a brutal response to Priti Patel sending refugees to Rwanda (msn.com)

[cheezemonkhai]

So I am far far away from saying the policy is right, but perhaps there a little insight into where the logic / path of thought went.

 

1) Large number of non refugees want into UK

2) People smugglers set up and find it profitable 

3) Nice little scheme looks attractive as once in the UK getting you out is much harder.

 

This move is designed to make coming in via the smugglers unattractive (Although you would think that potential death would have had that effect).

 

There are three issues I see:

 

1) Lots of non genuine “refugees”, particularly men who left their families at home, who take resources away from genuine refugees.

2) The use of illegal routes rather than the official routes.

 

3) The use of smugglers make lots of money and don’t seem to give two hoots.

 

That is without even mentioning the “interesting” choice of country for the new Asylum processing centres.

 

If we ignore the wtf nature of this move for a moment it might potentially make dent in 2 and 3 but it’s not going to stop 1. So you might get more genuine persons using the correct routes, but the others will try any which way they can.

 

I imagine being clearer as to what a refugee is with the public and that economic migrants are not refugees/asylum seekers would have as much of an effect.

 

It’s easy to see the thought process that ended up with this policy, although not why someone didn’t at least say stop, let’s build it on the Isle of Wight* instead. *(Any civilised/inhabited uk island would do).

 

They would be far better off spending the money on getting someone to target the smugglers and providing facilities locally that made it less desirable for people to want to come for economic reasons.

 

This will probably be controversial, but I think a lot of this could be stopped along with other problems we have, if most benefits were payable after a certain number of years working and paying taxes. That goes for UK citizens too.

 

Would stop those complaining about people who never get a job, would have stopped the “they’re coming over here and taking our jobs” types too.

 

To be clear again, I don’t agree with the policy, I’m just stating you can see the thought process that ended up with the brain fart output.

[Ootohere]

Australian politicians that think what they did was right and what UK ones want are shameful IMO.    What Israel did involving Refugees and Rwanda should be a warning.    Good Friday, Easter and religious celebrations and the UK again looks like the uncharitable uncaring country that the Tories have turned it into.    Billions of £ will go to Rwanda. Billions will be scammed from this.  ? Which UK hedge funds are cashing in on contracts in Rwanda for minerals and other natural resources from the country?   PS. We  know where Foreign office staff were in the past months rather than being in Europe sorting out the refugees to the UK from Eastern Europe.  Or even getting seasonal

workers into the UK. 

 

2018.

 

 

6 years ago.

 

 

5 Years ago.

 

 

 

Edited 15 April, 2022 by roottoot

[cheezemonkhai]

I guess it still all comes down to the question of why the UK over other countries. For years many would pass through multiple safe and wealthy countries to reach the UK.

Research and answer that question properly and you’ll be able to come up with proper policies rather than this junk.

 

 

[lol-lol]

9 minutes ago, cheezemonkhai said:

I guess it still all comes down to the question of why the UK over other countries. For years many would pass through multiple safe and wealthy countries to reach the UK.

Research and answer that question properly and you’ll be able to come up with proper policies rather than this junk.

 

Language is one key element I would suggest.  Having acted as a Immigration Officer occasional, when my Immigation colleague could not make a flight arrival HMRC deputize, I would say most of them have learnt English but not many be Greek, or German etc.  Mnay already have some relatives here too.

[Ootohere]

@cheezemonkhai

Some do stop before the English Channel,  actually many hundreds of thousands stop before getting to the UK in other countries and people have the statistics.

 

So how many with the UK as a destination speak or understand some English but not other European Languages or have family or connections in the UK.

 

It is hard to not mention the Politicians in the UK who's families came to seek asylum or as refugees or economic migrants in the past but it needs to be talked about.

They never returned to a country after it was safe to do so after they no longer required asylum in the UK, then there are many very wealthy that still get asylum in the UK after robbing the people in their own country blind and maybe still doing that from a base in the UK.

 

Pull up the ladder on others seems to be common in the UK, be it refugee or just education grants and free education that they had in their youth.

 

Then the likes of MIGRANTION WATCH UK, 

and the Ex UK Diplomat and his family and him that was welcomed to the UK. 

Shameful what some people think is OK to be treating other like. 

 

eg. Alp Mehmet.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alp_Mehmet

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 15 April, 2022 by roottoot

[cheezemonkhai]

I’m not suggesting we’re the only ones who have this, just stating if you don’t understand the numbers and reasons you’ll never get a good answer.

Edited 16 April, 2022 by cheezemonkhai

[Ootohere]

The numbers are actually small compared to the people travelling the world looking for refuge.

 

Also the UK are arming the world, trying to steal other countries resources and are war mongers the UK & USA are the cause of so much war and are in the top richest countries in the world.

 

Shameless British Governments & Politicians need to be held to answer for why they support dictators and mass murderers and allow them to do banking in the UK. 

 

Princess Charles needs to be questioned on why he glad hands so many that are causing the world refugee crisis and why the Queen has just because they are Royal or have an interest in Horses.

They will be celebrating Easter and they should be ashamed and welcoming in Refugees and Asylum seekers and making sure that the UK Government are not acting in the racist manner that it does.

 

What a pathetic bunch this lot are.

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/about-us

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org

 

Edited 15 April, 2022 by roottoot

[@Lee]

Thanks to Britain's rich and glorious past (Britannia ruling the waves and waiving the rules) it has quite a few Overseas Territories. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Territories

Why not just set up camp in one of those places if they're so intent on this cruel act? 
The President of Rwanda doesn't seem like a nice fella to me. What will happen to the money sent to him for his service. Trousered for himself most likely. 
How will this stop people traffikers if they're only sent on a flight once they've entered the UK? 
 

Garden bridges, bridges in the North Sea, etc etc. The tories, and Johnson in particular, have form when it comes to pie in the sky ideas. 

I hope this one falls flat on its face as it deserves to.

Australia;
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/06/australia-to-end-offshore-processing-in-papua-new-guinea

Edited 15 April, 2022 by @Lee

[@Lee]

5 hours ago, roottoot said:

So how many with the UK as a destination speak or understand some English but not other European Languages or have family or connections in the UK.

 

From my experience in Germany going to language school with people from Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Turkey, Croatia, Albania and New Zealand (yes, there was a Kiwi as well!) most, if not all, spoke English as a second language to a greater or lesser extent. The chap from Afghanistan also spoke Russian as well as Pashto I think it was. In amongst them were teachers, a book keeper, an airport manager, a theatre set dresser, a dentist etc etc. Just normal people with normal jobs fleeing extraordinary situations.

[Ootohere]

@Lee  Thanks.

It was not a question i was asking, it was more a kind of statement of the obvious.   No idea why i type how after So,    it should have read 'So many'. 

[@Lee]

From the Government last year...
 

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We regret that Rwanda did not support our recommendation, which was also made by other States, to conduct transparent, credible and independent investigations into allegations of human rights violations including deaths in custody and torture.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/un-human-rights-council-universal-periodic-review-adoption-rwanda

[StevesTruck]

"We regret that Rwanda did not support our recommendation, which was also made by other States, to conduct transparent, credible and independent investigations into allegations of human rights violations including deaths in custody"

 

Do they mean in our country or theirs?

[Ootohere]

Andrew Bridgen MP says he feels that the Archbishop of Canterbury 'Is not in step with the views of the country'..

https://news.sky.com/story/priti-patel-was-warned-it-is-highly-uncertain-sending-migrants-to-rwanda-will-act-as-a-deterrent-12592136

 

That can happen with those that are out of touch with public feelings and just managing to get by or to a place of safety where you can earn a living fairly.

(His lied & lies over brexit in the past as he has against his family & others.)

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/abusive-arrogant-and-aggressive-bridgen-lies-about-family-feud-319679

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60348356

I suggest that he is the deluded one as he has proven time after time, as is the Minister for Brexit Opportunities.  

 

Also JRM sees the world and religion in a way that suits him at any particular time which is his right. 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61133983

 

Edited 17 April, 2022 by roottoot

[leckman]

Here we go again,the UK is ray-cist and horrible and beastly to everyone.Then why do people risk their lives to get here?.Because we are a decent country who are fair to everyone.The Rwanda deal is hopeless because it will fail at the first legal challenge.But something has to change-£5 million per day in hotel costs alone to accommodate the refugees ?,come on this cannot go on.I will not criticise anyone who are seeking a better life but paying people smugglers to dump the refugees on the Kent coast is immoral.As usual Labour, Lib Dim,SNP are throwing their toys out of the pram about it,have they got a solution to the problem,of course not.Is the AOC out of touch with  with the real world ?,of course he is,does he have to use food bank’s,worry about gas bills etc?.The refugees crisis is world wide there are millions of people desperate for a better life they are not going to go away.

Something has to be done and soon.Any suggestion’s?.Have a good Easter holiday everyone.