Karoq cam belt change - start saving now !

[varooom]

4 minutes ago, MJ1 said:

 Thanks for the response and yes Lifetime is really open to interpretation. I think I am leaning towards your view at least this year when my warranty runs out. although I can renew at over £200 a year....

Considering that some cambelts can do 210,000km or I think one of my old engines was rated up to 360,000km, it suggests at least the belt is good to go.

Maybe the £200 will be well spent, as long as you read the fine print 🤝

[MJ1]

On 07/06/2023 at 07:37, toot said:

@MJ1I would have a cambelt replaced @ 5 years or maybe before if i had owned one from new and knew how it was driven and where kept because i would have driven it.

(I lease cars from Motability that do lots of miles and cars i own do not do many miles and get serviced accordingly and cost little over the many years i have them.)

 

In my Electric Corsa from Motability i have done 55,000 miles in 34 months & it is a shame but someone will end up buying it once it is at auction in the next 3 months.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/513911-kodiaq-cam-belt-replacement-required-or-advisory

 

 

Thanks for the response and that somewhat surprised me as I thought you might not replace it. I have had my car since new and I know how it is has been driven and been pretty sedate (mainly 65mph when on motorways and within speed limits on A roads and no mad rush to pull away at junctions.) So I think I might take the chance to not replace it at the moment. I also have the ability to deal with the WTF moment if it does go. I plan to keep the car for maybe 2 more years until the EV market has moved a bit more.

 

The wife has a EV Kona and it is an excellent car with a great 300+ mile range in the Summer months. I have been very impressed with it and will switch brands after being a Skoda fan boy since the Octavia hit the UK streets 1998 wheh I had one of the first ones to arrive. I have not been without a Skoda since then.

 

So contemplating if I do keep buying a warranty for the next two years or risk it.....

 

Anyway always good to have some debate on risks and how to manage them and those that are risk averse should maybe get it done and hope it is done well....

[MJ1]

3 minutes ago, varooom said:

Considering that some cambelts can do 210,000km or I think one of my old engines was rated up to 360,000km, it suggests at least the belt is good to go.

Maybe the £200 will be well spent, as long as you read the fine print 🤝

 Warranty is always a gamble and usually I do not subscribe but I did with the last two years as I got a reasonable deal with service included and inflation protected from 2 years ago.

 

About to take the Karoq on a European run and will make a final decision before August....

[Ootohere]

Can you renew a Warranty with a Skoda / VW product that is valid and covers a Cam Belt failure if the car / engine is not serviced to the Manufacturers Guidelines, recommendations or specifications?    But then Skoda / VW UK are not manufacturers they are importers.   Skoda CZ are the Manufacturer or VW group is, so is it their Guidelines, recommendations or schedule / specifications referred to in the T&C,s?

[Karock]

I agree with Toot, surely a cam belt is a service item albeit  an expensive one.

If the belt fails under 50,000 miles or 5 years and the car has always been serviced then you should have a claim under warranty but if it fails outside 50,000 or 5 years even if it has been serviced to the book then if the belt has not been changed I would not think you have a leg to stand on.

[xman]

Has anyone got any actual evidence/experience of a snapped cambelt on the 1.4/1.5tsi ACT engine? I've never heard of one, ever.

 

I haven't seen the 1.5tsi sevice manual, but the 1.4tsi ACT official service manual is clear that cambelts generally won't need changing at 5 years/50,000 miles.

 

As for the special tools required for 0.1 deg accuracy or whatever, this procedure is mentioned in the 1.4tsi ACT service manual too, but iirc ONLY applies to where a cylinder head needs to be replaced or rebuilt.

 

[Ootohere]

The 1.4 tsi ACT is not done as the 1.5 tsi ACT is done and takes 1/2 the time.  Nothing showing as far as failures on this forum.  If people do not want to have the Cambelt changed then do not.  Not rocket science.  Does a extended / used car warranty in the UK cover a failure if it was not changed at the schedule UK main dealers are recommending? 

[xman]

Last visit to the Skoda dealer I was told that the "All in one" skoda servicing/extended warranty/breakdown no longer requires either a full service history or the pre inspection. Any claims on warranty will be assessed at point of claim with regards to cause.

[kodiaqsportline]

4 hours ago, toot said:

Can you renew a Warranty with a Skoda / VW product that is valid and covers a Cam Belt failure if the car / engine is not serviced to the Manufacturers Guidelines, recommendations or specifications?    But then Skoda / VW UK are not manufacturers they are importers.   Skoda CZ are the Manufacturer or VW group is, so is it their Guidelines, recommendations or schedule / specifications referred to in the T&C,s?

 

That's a very good point.

 

If one was to argue that in a UK court of law then it would be subject to the contract between the seller and the buyer and if the seller were UK based then it would be subject to UK specs. 

 

A UK court won't take their information from what happens in the Czech Rep, they'll take it from what the UK recommends and that's because the car was purchased for the UK market. 

 

I wonder what would happen regarding maintenance with those Australian spec Kodiaq's that were sold new in the UK. Not sure even a Philadelphia lawyer could work that that one out. 🤣

 

 

[Ootohere]

The thing with the 'All in one.' from Skoda is the website is there to read and the T&C,s will be available to get online or in hard copy so that is what needs read rather than what told by someone at a dealership. Whoever tells a customer something should be able to show the t&c,s that they are quoting if trying to sell the product. 

[MJ1]

On 11/06/2023 at 15:08, toot said:

Can you renew a Warranty with a Skoda / VW product that is valid and covers a Cam Belt failure if the car / engine is not serviced to the Manufacturers Guidelines, recommendations or specifications?    But then Skoda / VW UK are not manufacturers they are importers.   Skoda CZ are the Manufacturer or VW group is, so is it their Guidelines, recommendations or schedule / specifications referred to in the T&C,s?

Hi if I did renew the warranty then I would no doubt get cambelt changed as I never said anything about expecting warranty to cover it. I was just musing on getting a year by year Warranty for around £267 I think.

 

😉

 

As to what the warranty Actually covers and the T&C's you are a better man than  I to really understand what is covered in the warranty or not just by reading the T&C's. (Anyone who has claimed on warranty would love to know how it went?)

 

I would certainly expect to be told "No" re the cambelt if I ignored the UK advice to change it. I would however expect it to cover other items even if I choose to ignore the Cambelt replace.

 

Anyway I am covered (hopefully) by the All in One until August and then I will decide what to do...

 

Thanks for the various insights from folk.

 

Cheers

[pinkpanther]

After following this thread with interest (and previously falling foul of changing VAG UK guidance on cambelt replacement policy - relating to the purchase of a MK1 Octavia vRS) I can only hope if I continue to own my 1.5 Karoq in five years time the replacement cost of the timing belt has fallen considerably, as both main dealers and specialists become more familiar (adept) at the intricacies involved🤞

 

I recall clutch replacement on a Mondeo I previously owned initially required suspension to be moved, whereas a technique was later developed to avoid this added expense.

 

This all makes the Kona EV previously mentioned sound like a hassle-free option!!

[ethereum]

On 11/06/2023 at 15:46, xman said:

Has anyone got any actual evidence/experience of a snapped cambelt on the 1.4/1.5tsi ACT engine? I've never heard of one, ever.

 

I haven't seen the 1.5tsi sevice manual, but the 1.4tsi ACT official service manual is clear that cambelts generally won't need changing at 5 years/50,000 miles.

 

As for the special tools required for 0.1 deg accuracy or whatever, this procedure is mentioned in the 1.4tsi ACT service manual too, but iirc ONLY applies to where a cylinder head needs to be replaced or rebuilt.

 

Of course not. It's a fear based pitch and it clearly works on most people.

 

34 minutes ago, pinkpanther said:

After following this thread with interest (and previously falling foul of changing VAG UK guidance on cambelt replacement policy - relating to the purchase of a MK1 Octavia vRS) I can only hope if I continue to own my 1.5 Karoq in five years time the replacement cost of the timing belt has fallen considerably, as both main dealers and specialists become more familiar (adept) at the intricacies involved🤞

 

I recall clutch replacement on a Mondeo I previously owned initially required suspension to be moved, whereas a technique was later developed to avoid this added expense.

 

This all makes the Kona EV previously mentioned sound like a hassle-free option!!

As soon as I heard the words from the main dealer "so that's MOT, full service along with brake fluid change and cam belt change let's get that booked in." I knew it wasn't something to entertain. It's a money making exercise.

 

I can almost guarantee more problems from actually changing it than leaving the factory fitted one alone. Especially based on some posts in this thread with garages stopping doing as it's not easy to do. 

 

Mine is going for a full service and MOT this week. Gone to an independent after using main dealer previously. So far I don't regret it in the slightest 😄

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[Leon66]

I have very recently been told by a main skoda dealer that 5 year cam belt change is now 15 years or 150000 miles please check with your local dealer or skoda customer services to quantify 

[ethereum]

2 hours ago, Leon66 said:

I have very recently been told by a main skoda dealer that 5 year cam belt change is now 15 years or 150000 miles please check with your local dealer or skoda customer services to quantify 

It was laughable that they were trying to change the cambelt after 5 years.

 

Based on the dealer trying to get that done on my Karoq, I took mine to an independent garage, albeit a VW specialist, and that's where I will continue going from now on, big saving and I was happy with the service.

[DBSurrey]

 

3 hours ago, Leon66 said:

I have very recently been told by a main skoda dealer that 5 year cam belt change is now 15 years or 150000 miles please check with your local dealer or skoda customer services to quantify 

Would you care to name the dealership so we could quote them ?

Edited 21 July, 2023 by DBSurrey

[Skyl1n3]

8 hours ago, DBSurrey said:

 

Would you care to name the dealership so we could quote them ?

All of them eventually, more and more are getting the updated interval of 15 Years/180k miles.

[johnboy60]

I posted this on the 10 Feb 2023  

 

According to Skoda Germany its a lifetime belt and does not need replacing

 

on Facebook last night a member of the Karoq page posted his letter from Skoda confirming it 

[DBSurrey]

On 22/07/2023 at 08:20, johnboy60 said:

I posted this on the 10 Feb 2023  

 

According to Skoda Germany its a lifetime belt and does not need replacing

 

on Facebook last night a member of the Karoq page posted his letter from Skoda confirming it 

Do you have a link for the FB page ?  I can't find the letter.

[johnboy60]

(2) Skoda Karoq Owners UK | Facebook

[johnboy60]

[Greentree]

 Love the ‘about 289681.92km’….

[andyspan]

I messaged Skoda UK on Facebook Messenger and quickly got this reply;

 

"Hi Andrew, thank you for contacting Škoda UK. We can confirm that the years on the cam belt have been removed. However, the retailer network is replacing cam belt base on the mileage for your vehicle. We can contact our Internal Team on Monday and find out what mileage do your vehicle need to be replaced. Can you provide us with your vehicle registration, please?"

 

I'll see what Monday brings

[kodiaqsportline]

Just waiting on CamBeltGate to get underway where all those VW Group owners who done the right thing and followed manufacturers recommendation paying out hundreds of pounds only to now find out it wasn't necessary.

 

 

[ethereum]

1 hour ago, kodiaqsportline said:

Just waiting on CamBeltGate to get underway where all those VW Group owners who done the right thing and followed manufacturers recommendation paying out hundreds of pounds only to now find out it wasn't necessary.

 

 

"the right thing" I wouldn't go far that. They fell for a fear based pitch.