6 minutes ago, chills said:

Thanks for that It has confirmed 2 things

1 That it is MIB3. It doesn't seem to say anywhere. Updating maps is pure guesswork, as the instructions I found were on about an SD card slot I don't have! I eventually found MIB2 instructions
2 that it is 4G When I renewed my Škoda App/connect subscription when I got the car It went on about G3 stopping and over the air not being available from mid 25 which annoyed me.  However, as the phasing out of G3 has been known about for many years I assumed (silly of me I know) that on a 2023mfr car Škoda would have had a G4 unit in it. Which it does appear to have. 

Mib3 runs generally from models delivered from 2020. Some slip in, in 2019. Each MIB has a 5 year period then VAG is onto their next. Generally a 5 year level of support on navigation files but pull the rug quicker on other things. TMC where they didn't want to know about the service closing down, POIs etc. All mib2 stuff.

 

Mib3 uses optional connect services with a payment delivered differently in different countries. Thus Internet radio is via 4g, traffic reports, firmware updates etc, if you don't renew the contract then it's like mib2 with offline updates.

 

Navigation mib3 thread is this:

 

 

Then @MartiniB has a radio icon update thread... which I  have currently lost... hmm. Once you go offline by not making an annual payment you have to update the logos by hand. Useful for VW and Skoda, but Seat got left put by the VAG contracted logo providers.

 

On mib3 satnav on this post I brought it all together on post 1 with the PDFs for the brands indexed. All the same instructions. You can read all PDFs if you like. 😉

 

https://www.seatcupra.net/forums/threads/updating-the-inbuilt-mib3-satnav-offline.472408/

 

Looks like if you have renewed all subscriptions you can sit back and enjoy. Yes 4g is build into the mib3 equipment.

6 minutes ago, EricBo said:

Does it mean that MIB2 does not have live traffic information via connected services?

I got recently a octavia III with colombus and I was testing the connected services in trial mode, I get the car status and analytics in the apps so the car connect to the service but not the live traffic info (I get TMC but since I cross borders often between FR/DE/BE/LU it is ****ty).
I thought it could be related to the outdated map system so I plan to update it today with the VW link in the top post.

can anyone confirm if only MIB3 get the internet traffic update because MIB2 would be "outdated"?

 

Mib2 connect services continue least in the UK.

 

Mib2 standard (this thread) TMC is getting flakey as TMC providers full out. UK Traffic Master pulled out but Inrix continued and a mod can be made with old maps for mib2 standard, current maps work with a mod. Ditto in France. That's on a thread here. Since you have a Columbus which is a mib2 high you just recode... see the other thread on loss of TMC.

 

Basically as far as TMC is concerned. There are different providers by country. VAG supported specific ones so if they drop out of providing a service they won't show unless you take steps. Here Maps which is used on mib2 high is flexible enough to change the tmc settings. Mib2 standard you have to go back to when they were on Here Maps and not TomTom.

1 minute ago, Tell said:

Mib2 connect services continue least in the UK.

 

Mib2 standard (this thread) TMC is getting flakey as TMC providers full out. UK Traffic Master pulled out but Inrix continued and a mod can be made with old maps for mib2 standard, current maps work with a mod. Ditto in France. That's on a thread here. Since you have a Columbus which is a mib2 high you just recode... see the other thread on loss of TMC.

 

Basically as far as TMC is concerned. There are different providers by country. VAG supported specific ones so if they drop out of providing a service they won't show unless you take steps. Here Maps which is used on mib2 high is flexible enough to change the tmc settings. Mib2 standard you have to go back to when they were on Here Maps and not TomTom.

thanks for the details on TMC, indeed germany and france usually work but the delay are often too much, like you are already stuck when you see the update on the map.

since the car has not received any software update since 2018 I guess it is likely that I need more than a map update but also other software update for the skoda connect services to have full functionality?

is that something I can do myself or do I have to go to a dealership?

21 minutes ago, Tell said:

Looks like if you have renewed all subscriptions you can sit back and enjoy. Yes 4g is build into the mib3 equipment.

Having and a look round, the G4 EOL is anything from 10 to 25 years in the UK. Most are saying the 10 years is VERY pessimistic.The G3 has to shut down to make way for G5 however G4 can co-exist with G5. and because so many things, like cars and many other embedded systems, have G4 it looks like it will be closer to 25 years.  For me, 15 years will be fine. 

2 minutes ago, EricBo said:

thanks for the details on TMC, indeed germany and france usually work but the delay are often too much, like you are already stuck when you see the update on the map.

since the car has not received any software update since 2018 I guess it is likely that I need more than a map update but also other software update for the skoda connect services to have full functionality?

is that something I can do myself or do I have to go to a dealership?

Well this is the long thread on TMC with coding solutions on there

 

 

 

Joek666 moved to connected services but was still having issues. Towards the end. The inbuilt connect services use specific providers for their SIM card so the thought was towards the end that the slowness of connected services if any were due to the provider Vag were using. Think they bought a dongle. Most of us recoded mib2 high to get the Inrix service or used older map for the Mib2 standard sticking with TMC.

 

I don't think the firmware update is going to help you on speeding up connected services but there are threads around on the Briskoda site on this. Generally dealers don't update software free unless it's buggy. Infotainment units on mib2 tended not to fall into this category. Mib3 is different.

43 minutes ago, chills said:

43 minutes ago, chills said:

Having and a look round, the G4 EOL is anything from 10 to 25 years in the UK. Most are saying the 10 years is VERY pessimistic.The G3 has to shut down to make way for G5 however G4 can co-exist with G5. and because so many things, like cars and many other embedded systems, have G4 it looks like it will be closer to 25 years.  For me, 15 years will be fine. 

 

Well the only thing is they use their own wrappers on these services so the wrapper may be discontinued before 4g. Mib3 being the wrapper so it's how long that is kept going for connected services. Probably 2030 then you get a disconnected car 😉. That's the normal EoL being 5 years after mib is moved to the next release. Time will tell.

Edited 16 January16 Jan by Tell

7 minutes ago, Tell said:

Well the only thing is they use their own wrappers on these services so the wrapper may be discontinued before 4g. Mib3 being the wrapper so it's how long that is kept going for connected services. Probably 2030 then you get a disconnected car 😉. That's the normal EoL being 5 years after mib is moved to the next release. Time will tell.

Agreed, the limiting factor may be VAG rather than the G4 network.
The outlook for G4 being 25 years, rather than the minimum of 10, is because so many things like cars, and other equipment that has a long working life, have G4 systems in them that are not easy to replace. There is a lot more on the mobile network than consumer mobile phones. Also the number of cars with G3 is not large compared to the number that will have G4 in them.   The chatter in tech circles is that things like cars don't need G5 bandwidth.  Hence, keeping both going. So you may have MB4, 5 etc but it will be over G4

12 hours ago, Tell said:

Then @MartiniB has a radio icon update thread... which I  have currently lost...

thread became hidden after my last update 😞

 

 

 

Mib2 (Superb Mk3 and similar)
  Content     Downloadable
2023.11.09   2023.12.13      89 MB
2024.07.17   2024.08.05   https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/MQB2_Europe_v1.10.52.zip   92,7 MB

Mib3 (Superb Mk3.FL and similar)
  Content     Downloadable
2023.12.20   2023.12.20      162 MB
2024.05.17   2024.11.07   https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/MQB3_OI_JND_Europe_v1.31.50.zip    1,13 GB

Mib3 (Multivan)
  Content     Downloadable
2024.10.07   2024.11.07   https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/MQB3_LGe_Europe_v1.31.54.zip   167 MB
2024.11.12   2025.01.14   https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/MQB3_LGe_Europe_v1.31.56.zip   166 MB

Mib? (Enyaq and ??)
  Content     Downloadable
2023.11.09   2023.12.13   https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/ICAS3_LGe_Europe_v1.31.48.zip   162 MB
2024.07.15   2024.08.05   https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/ICAS3_LGe_Europe_v1.31.52.zip   167 MB
2024.11.12   2025.01.14   https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/ICAS3_LGe_Europe_v1.31.56.zip   166 MB
 

 

2 hours ago, MartiniB said:

thread became hidden after my last update 😞

 

 

 

Mib2 (Superb Mk3 and similar)
  Content     Downloadable
2023.11.09   2023.12.13      89 MB
2024.07.17   2024.08.05   https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/MQB2_Europe_v1.10.52.zip   92,7 MB

Mib3 (Superb Mk3.FL and similar)
  Content     Downloadable
2023.12.20   2023.12.20      162 MB
2024.05.17   2024.11.07   https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/MQB3_OI_JND_Europe_v1.31.50.zip    1,13 GB

Mib3 (Multivan)
  Content     Downloadable
2024.10.07   2024.11.07   https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/MQB3_LGe_Europe_v1.31.54.zip   167 MB
2024.11.12   2025.01.14   https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/MQB3_LGe_Europe_v1.31.56.zip   166 MB

Mib? (Enyaq and ??)
  Content     Downloadable
2023.11.09   2023.12.13   https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/ICAS3_LGe_Europe_v1.31.48.zip   162 MB
2024.07.15   2024.08.05   https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/ICAS3_LGe_Europe_v1.31.52.zip   167 MB
2024.11.12   2025.01.14   https://www.phonostar.de/download/vw/ICAS3_LGe_Europe_v1.31.56.zip   166 MB
 

 

It wasn't just me then. I filled in the contact form on the board for them to investigate. You find it in a search of phonostar on the board but won't open.

 

Seat / Cupra drivers are waiting with baited breaths to see SE in the property elements in those files. What I have found out from Seat / Cupra mib3 people is that the connected services update via 4g have gone through,  may be not onto the very latest release, but the one before, so it's the container descriptors that aren't used in online (ie. SE) to get them in the unit. Thus those people without connect services with a Seat / Cupra are frozen out of logo updates... in saying that I'm told the last release dropped out logos that were there previously,  so a shabby service from VAG.

 

People cherish their station logo ID graphics, wind up with mib3 over mib2 where users could add their own. We wait to see whether mib4 works any better... could be a winter read of the car manuals if the technical authors have written it up correctly. Bit like old computer mainframe manuals where the technical author says X, but it does Y. Generally in relation to languages.

ECE1 downloaded and working fine, many thanks.

Skoda sat nav files update suggests I can use any 32GB card if formatted to load my updated files onto. This does not work on a Scandisk card but does work on the original Skoda card, which is rumoured to have a security partition on it or other such magic gismo.

My fear is what happens when the Skoda card fails on me. Can I work around the security protocol or will I have to buy a new Skoda card at great and unnecessary cost.

7 minutes ago, RAF96 said:

Skoda sat nav files update suggests I can use any 32GB card if formatted to load my updated files onto. This does not work on a Scandisk card but does work on the original Skoda card, which is rumoured to have a security partition on it or other such magic gismo.

My fear is what happens when the Skoda card fails on me. Can I work around the security protocol or will I have to buy a new Skoda card at great and unnecessary cost.

It's called a CID. It's a technique used to eek out value. You can buy another off eBay when it stops working. Originally they were 16gb but then the map cartography grew so to get all of Europe you need a 32gb card. You use the published zones for the 16gb card.

A Google of eBay mib2 standard navigation mapcards will throw them up. Dealers did or do sell them but cheaper off Ebay.

You just pop a new card in for Skoda. The CID on it is interchangeable between VAG brands so it doesn't have to be a Skoda card. You can also clone the CID off an existing card onto "gold cards" which have re-writeable CIDs but your disk controller has to be on the motherboard for that... a lap top. Gold cards cost more than an eBay cards and you need special closing software, so not worth it.

Alternatively retrofitters sell software to take off the firmware element by hacking it. Cost again... might as well buy a Vag card. Lastly mib2 toolbox again technical, hacks the firmware.... so just invest in a spare 32gb vag card of eBay with a well scored seller.

I got three cards. The original 16gb Seat one. 32 gb Skoda and a gold card I cloned for the hell of it to learn the process. Others toy with the toolbox. Just buying a 32gb Vag card off Ebay saves hacking anything. It's the easiest and cheapest solution.

Edited 28 March28 Mar by Tell

So why should I have to buy or fanny about with CIDs when the security thing is a pure revenue item. Their updates should be in the clear and mountable to any suitable SD card of a given size in accordance with their on-line instructions on how to update the sat nav files.

1 hour ago, RAF96 said:

So why should I have to buy or fanny about with CIDs when the security thing is a pure revenue item.

Because there is no other source for MIB2 maps than VAG, so we have to "play by their rules".

Skoda SD cards are available easily off eBay (that's where I purchased both of mine) for less than an equivalent size normal SD card at full price, so it need not cost any more.

1 hour ago, RAF96 said:

So why should I have to buy or fanny about with CIDs when the security thing is a pure revenue item. Their updates should be in the clear and mountable to any suitable SD card of a given size in accordance with their on-line instructions on how to update the sat nav files.

How the maps are licensed. Seat never did get a license for free map updates on mib1 and mib2 - there are workarounds, VW and Skoda did so covering costs are within the purchase price and ongoing business of the two brands. However for those that can't do map copies to the provided SD that came with the car (there are some that dont have the ability) you can buy the card. That brings in license income for the pleasure of doing it that way. The maps belongs to HereMaps but licensed to the Vag group.

I forgot to mention if you are writing the CID you need Linux or Mac... further reading. That's the method I used for the hell of finding out how it worked.

https://richard.burtons.org/2016/07/01/changing-the-cid-on-an-sd-card/

The Seat Guru who did the mib2 standard workaround used widely also tested this method to understand how it works. We then subsequently found the CID on mib1 and mib2 cards are interchangeable and can be used across the Vag group. Seat customer got a £150 charge for a dealer map update was VW and Skoda get it for free unless they want to buy a new SD card. Mapcare which gives you the free updates was free to VW and Skoda. Seat in Europe wasn't free, about £150 for three years of map updates, but never sold in the UK, so dealers could mint it in. This was the Consumer Associations complaint on the conduct of car companies and map charges. VW and Skoda gave way.

Mib3 maps are free to update similar now across the group held in solid state in the unit, but Seat / Cupra owners are still down trodden then they can't do radio logo updates unlike VW and Skoda. If you want a better looking car you got Seat / Cupra but blank radio logos more so than the other brands 😉. But either way you can't upload your own radio logos to infill missing ones not in the official database. That's a mib3 weakness.

Edited 28 March28 Mar by Tell

I expect @MartiniB will post the complete list of links when he's got some spare time but meanwhile here's the link for the new full Europe map:

https://navigation-maps.volkswagen.com/vw-maps/DiscoverMedia2_EU-AS_2410_V21.7z

31 minutes ago, bigade1 said:

I expect @MartiniB will post the complete list of links when he's got some spare time but meanwhile here's the link for the new full Europe map:

https://navigation-maps.volkswagen.com/vw-maps/DiscoverMedia2_EU-AS_2410_V21.7z

Ah yesterday's post. @MartiniB saw that one. I'm about to put the SD in the car for all of Europe to test it out.

Great info I will check mine when I get it.

Thanks all.

Yes all Europe loaded in fine. I used the German link. The others for the 16gb card are on that.

A VERY silly thought when through my mind....

It would be fantastic if someone did a mod so that when the navigation system started, the default screen was a star map from Star Wars/Trek, Elite etc.

I am sure some suitable audio could be added.

-> next 2025/26

Many thanks, @MartiniB

Euro Map 1 downloaded, expanded to SD Card and in operation.

New maps show 20mph zones but they are incomplete with several still displayed as 30mph.

Edited 18 April18 Apr by BionicJohn

Yes saw the 20 mph ones in Wales. They are taken or should be taken from the Welsh Government map source which is the defacto source. The one which is marked up on. Actual, intentions etc. If the local authority hasn't given that to the Welsh Government correctly then it won't tally. The LA put the signs out but it was suppose to be given back to the Welsh Government. So the signage tallied with the maps. Mapping companies did it from the Welsh Government maps.

Think you are better off with traffic sign recognition and drive on the beep warnings although boy racers turn that off. Some daft Welsh and English ignore the 20 mph limits as some Labour government thing, not that the LA didn't have to implement the speed limits on lamp post spacing. Was only guidance but didn't modify it so it seems to bait central Wesh Government. Local government out of step. They need to trap more. Positively dangerous speeding on some roads. In their haste to put the signs out they took well placed 30 mph signs down leaving stretches of roads that are 20 mph with drivers belting along at 40-50 between villages... upper and lower. All daft.

I did get some 20mph signs put up they missed 👍. You could get into a village on 30mph signs... the rest were 20. Citizen action :).

Edited 18 April18 Apr by Tell

I haven't been to Wales yet, though I can see it across the Dee from here!

Edited 18 April18 Apr by BionicJohn

Something to look forward to. Probably picking the speed limits up is more hit and miss in England. The cars aren't sent down the roads that frequently and TomTom won't take user input on speed limits. So they get left as suggestions not acted on if reported via their reporting screen.

Actually drive on the HereMaps old map for the TMC mod but decided to swap cards. Will swap back. Prefer to see traffic reports than the latest maps except on very new stretches on road.