Thanks GAFF

From what I remember the Fabia VRS "redlines" at 4.5k..... surely if you took it past 5k it would go into "limp mode"............ even my old remapped Fabia VRS started to tail off at around the 4K mark :confused:

At the end of the day, if petrol was free or cost next to nothing would derv engines even be around in the modern car? I doubt it........ petrol engines have always been recognised as being the quickest/best performing.

Why have derv engines come such a long way, and been developed so much over the past decade.... simple economics due to the continuious rise in the price of oil and fuel duty, if the same investment had been made in the development of petrol engines god knows what they would be capable of :eek:

Just to add insult to injury, remind me what won Le Mans this year. Was it a diesel?

I think so!

Just throwing a bit more petrol on the fire, diesels no good for this!

Cheers

Dibbley

Tavia, can i ask is your SDI really an SDI or more a PD130?

I know you hate diesels, but seriously take a newer one for a test drive. Might not be as bad as you think

Anyway the derv and petrol arn't better, just different.

Its an SDI

I have driven my friends PD210 Yes, it is brisk but when up against things like BMW 330i or any non diesel car with similar power it loses due to its lack of rev range, even though his pull all the way to the limiter :(

As for your last comment, I agree - they are different and different cars suit different people's driving styles. Guess I'm a revvy driver rather than a torquey one.

Just to add insult to injury, remind me what won Le Mans this year. Was it a diesel?

I think so!

Just throwing a bit more petrol on the fire, diesels no good for this!

Cheers

Dibbley

Run under differnt regs IIRC in terms of fuel capacity (diesels are allowed a bigger capacity, why if they are so much more "economical"?)

I like diesels and other liek petrols.

Personally i don't like reving the nuts of cars but thats cool, we wouldn't have such fun threads as this on here.

Fluff, by "well gone" i mean probably a car length or so, nothing major, just ahead, sure you know what i mean.

Stu... Of course you would nail me mate, I've still only got the 110 and you would anyway. I like to have fun, but you know a derv car will do me

On the fuel efficient comment, I went to woking the other day 65.4 mpg at motorway speeds.

Off Topic:

On a fun note, i managed to have a small carb fire while servicing my brothers car. Scarey, but after getting it out and fixing the issue all ok now.

The pop and flames were certainly something I really didn't appreciate at the time though.

On the plus point the thing runs a lot better, but it has had new sparks, filters, oil, couple of engine gaskets and i cleaned the carb out

Stu... Of course you would nail me mate, I've still only got the 110 and you would anyway.

I was actually meaning that I could prove to you that the TDi PD 170 wouldn't leave my 2.0 TFSi standing

I know Stu, was playing

I'll take you up on that though mate, sounds fun

I know Stu, was playing

I'll take you up on that though mate, sounds fun

No problem, just phone me when you are in the area.

That suggests about 30% better fuel economy then. That seems fairly significant to me.

I get the impression that even if the PD VRS had 400bhp, cost

I've driven both the petrol and the diesel.

Without a doubt the petrol is the better car, quicker and quieter but the diesel is not a bad car at all. All other things being equal I'd choose the petrol but because of company car tax / company policy I'm forced towards the diesel. The diesel is still quick - just ask the copper who was following me in his Mk1 vrs when I took the test drive! - and handles virtually the same.

At the end of the day you choose the car that fits your circumstances and preferences best - if we we're all sheep we'd be driving BM's and VW's

The lease quotes I've had for the diesel are cheaper than the petrol which suggests better residuals but I've not seen any figures.

Rich

At the end of the day you choose the car that fits your circumstances and preferences best

Very true mate. Each to your own.

Sunday 24, in Skoda Meet in France :

Rassemblement Skoda du 24 Septembre 2006 [Resumé] - Résumé - Sorties FA - FORUM Auto

(My pseudo : Skodaboys)

Octavia II vRS 2.0 TDI 170 :

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So what can we conclude...people who choose the diesel like;

1. Paying out more money

2. A slower car, but don't worry it has the feeling of being fast

3. More noise

4. More smell

Free world, take your pick.

I choose diesels ... for reasons 2, 3 & 4 ... they rule.

If you buy 2nd hand & do 25k per year (which i do both)

reason 1 is completely wrong.

I think a 140 Elegance would probably be nicer than a VRS anyway

At the end of the day, if petrol was free or cost next to nothing would derv engines even be around in the modern car? I doubt it........ petrol engines have always been recognised as being the quickest/best performing.

Why have derv engines come such a long way, and been developed so much over the past decade.... simple economics due to the continuious rise in the price of oil and fuel duty, if the same investment had been made in the development of petrol engines god knows what they would be capable of :eek:

For the last 100 years the oil companies & motor manufacturers have worked hand in hand to keep developing petrol engines! Because petrol is made from oil, ergo, they sell more oil!

It's only been bigger applications (trucks /buses /trains /boats) where economic sense has prevailed & diesels were developed. Car diesels have only had a relatively short development period & in the last decade they've started to get a fair share of the R&D money.

So after a 100 year head start, its only taken diesel 10 years to catch up!

Blimey in 10 years time, on that rate of progression, diesel cars will outrun the SS Enterprise!

Precisely PLUS residuals are being projected at the same as the petrol (ref LEX free choice website.

So what can we conclude...people who choose the diesel like;

1. Paying out more money

2. A slower car, but don't worry it has the feeling of being fast

3. More noise

4. More smell

Free world, take your pick.

Residuals, you won't know until the things hit a year old.

1 - not always and in the long term you often dont.

2 - not always but even if it is i like the quick feeling more than having to rev the nuts off the car.

3 - erm depends what you are doing. Maybe at idle, but it not always the case, just different noises

4 - You obviously never got stuck behind an older petrol car, they stink.

If you want to come up with silly things thats great, but thats like me saying petrol car drivers obviously only buy them so they can sit on a tank of highly explosive liquid that will combust with the smallest spark.

Come on, as has been said each to their own, and no 'vi vs emacs' flame wars

On my 1st drive in the Mk2 vRS petrol, was not that impressed at all with the power of the engine. Car had only just done over 1,000 Km and felt tight and unresponsive :thumbdwn: . Then a few mths back got a drive in Gaff's fully run in car - wow - felt like it had a totally different engine in it

Last week got a drive in the 170Tdi and loved it - while no way as fast as the petrol all out, was not all that far behind . This car had only about 700Km on the clock and also felt "tight" :confused: . So thinking about how the petrol car changed with milage, and how my own 130Tdi loosened out after about 5000km, I really am looking forward to getting a drive in the new 170 when full run in :D

Bryan

For the last 100 years the oil companies & motor manufacturers have worked hand in hand to keep developing petrol engines! Because petrol is made from oil, ergo, they sell more oil!

It's only been bigger applications (trucks /buses /trains /boats) where economic sense has prevailed & diesels were developed. Car diesels have only had a relatively short development period & in the last decade they've started to get a fair share of the R&D money.

So after a 100 year head start, its only taken diesel 10 years to catch up!

Blimey in 10 years time, on that rate of progression, diesel cars will outrun the SS Enterprise!

diesels are not catching up with petrols, not by a very very long way. for comaprison in the octavia range compare the PD140 to the 2.0FSi the petrol has 10bhp more but the diesel has nearly 100lbft more yet the petrol is still faster. same displacement yet the diesel needs a turbo to be nearly as fast :thumbdwn:

diesels are only nearly as fast when they have a turbo, petrols don't need turbo's to beat a diesel

forgot to say, they have been working on higher performance diesels for more like 20 years not 10

Come on, as has been said each to their own, and no 'vi vs emacs' flame wars

vi all the way

Chris

diesels are only nearly as fast when they have a turbo, petrols don't need turbo's to beat a diesel

Of course this assumes that the only important factor is speed...

vi all the way

Chris

Well if you are going to start it.....

I agree

diesels are not catching up with petrols, not by a very very long way. for comaprison in the octavia range compare the PD140 to the 2.0FSi the petrol has 10bhp more but the diesel has nearly 100lbft more yet the petrol is still faster. same displacement yet the diesel needs a turbo to be nearly as fast :thumbdwn:

diesels are only nearly as fast when they have a turbo, petrols don't need turbo's to beat a diesel

Umm i sort of agree but i dont have to kick the **** out my PD140 to get the torque to overtake going up a hill for example nor does my car use anywhere near as much fuel as the 2.0FSI. Diesels have come a long way in the last few years. It so happens that diesels benefit greatly from turbocharging but then again so do petrols. look at the astra vxr for example.

If you need all out performance, a more refined engine note, dont mind paying extra for fuel,tax and depreciation, don't do a lot of towing and don't need reliability at huge mileages then go for petrol. If you want slower depreciation, economy, good performance, a more relaxed drive and long term reliability then go for the diesel. Simple as that.

I drove a 2.0FSI a while back as a loan car and it was truly awful in comparison to my PD140. I admit that once i had re-learned how best to drive a petrol car, things improved a bit but i'd still have the diesel everytime. Having said that the TFSI on the other hand is a stonker.

Look at the astra vxr for example.

Funny you should mention that as I sat through Vroom Vroom the other day and in the Horsepower Kings (or whatever it's called) they had a lady with a VXR that had Lambo doors, nice wheels, full exhaust and

Funny you should mention that as I sat through Vroom Vroom the other day and in the Horsepower Kings (or whatever it's called) they had a lady with a VXR that had Lambo doors, nice wheels, full exhaust and

If petrol/diesel were free would anyone buy a diesel. No I would buy a car with a rotary engine or a V8 but the fact of the matter is petrol/diesel is not free its bloody expensive. I like to eke out as much miles to the gallon as i can and most of the time I am a lazy driver thats why I drive diesels. Now if I was to buy a car as a plaything well that would be a different matter but unfortunatly at the moment that is just a distant dream. sigh

horses for courses at the end of the day