If petrol/diesel were free would anyone buy a diesel.

I might well. I quite like how diesel drives - it's much more relaxed; all the power right there without having to thrash the engine.

And here starts the 4 year debate over which is better - Octavia Petrol VRS, or Octavia Diesel VRS.

Glad you like it, but I wouldn't describe the petrol variant as "gutless". In my opinion, I would describe the diesel version as disappointing. Each to thier own.

Finally got around to having a test drive in one this weekend. It's far from gutless there is alot of power and it has a super smooth power delivery. But it didn't give a punch like that fabia does or like a diesel.

Would I buy one? I went along to the test drive thinking "oh dear is this such a good idea" but I can safely say it really didn't do it for me.

I'm sure with a few mods then it would be a real corker of a car. It ticks alot of boxes and it is nice............................but I didn't give me the wow factor.

If petrol/diesel were free would anyone buy a diesel. I like to eke out as much miles to the gallon as i can and most of the time I am a lazy driver thats why I drive diesels.

I'd buy a diesel!

Just driven home from work at 63mph on the motorway 66mpg indicated!

Neither of my petrol cars would do this & they're both 1.2s

(Although they're a little older!!)

Although I fuelled & drove a diesel today that only averages 1mpg when towing.

But it's turbo sure sounds nice, with the engine revving at 900rpm flat out.

The 138,000lb/ft of torque came in handy for the hills too,

especially as the 28 wagons weighed 2500t!

Although I fuelled & drove a diesel today that only averages 1mpg when towing.

But it's turbo sure sounds nice, with the engine revving at 900rpm flat out.

The 138,000lb/ft of torque came in handy for the hills too,

especially as the 28 wagons weighed 2500t!

dammit i miss working around big diesels. Lucky git

dammit i miss working around big diesels. Lucky git

They even pay me to do it!!!!!

Residuals, you won't know until the things hit a year old.

1 - not always and in the long term you often dont.

2 - not always but even if it is i like the quick feeling more than having to rev the nuts off the car.

3 - erm depends what you are doing. Maybe at idle, but it not always the case, just different noises

4 - You obviously never got stuck behind an older petrol car, they stink.

If you want to come up with silly things thats great, but thats like me saying petrol car drivers obviously only buy them so they can sit on a tank of highly explosive liquid that will combust with the smallest spark.

Come on, as has been said each to their own, and no 'vi vs emacs' flame wars

With respect to the debate cocerning a new petrol Octavia vRS vs new Diesel Octavia vRS I don't think I came up with "silly things".

1 The diesel costs more and residuals are being projected by leasing firms about level %age wise. It will take many miles of motoring with better economy (from all accounts I've seen on Briskoda not that good) from the diesel to recoup the money just to break even.

2 The petrol vRS does not have to have its nuts revved off to perform, it has tonnes of low down torque, very diesel like in fact.

3 OK at speed diesels do quiten down, but around town they are louder.

4 This thread is about a new petrol vs a new diesel.

Please explain what is silly!

I agree each to their own, I'm just trying to get inside others minds!

Dan

Very good friend of mine purchased a new Octy Vrs diesel just 9 days ago.

He's taking it back tomorrow with a view to rejecting it. :eek:

Air bag light on upon delivery followed by engine management light on 2 days later, with the added joy of stuttering/cutting out on 2 seperate occasions.

Took it in and it was fixed. Dodgy earth lead apparently.:confused:

Stuttered again the following day apparently.

Today though, clonking from either the suspension or steering and....the engine management light has come back on again. He was bloody furious.

Add to this a howling gale blowing through the rear o/s rear 1/4 window, handbrake cover that came off in his hand on day 2, and a damaged rear seat cover that was also noticed on day 2, and it would seem that he's not a very happy teddy.

I'll let you know what transpires.

If you're talking economy the problem in my area at the moment is that diesel is 8p a litre more expensive :eek: than petrol, this equates to almost 40p a gallon or

If petrol/diesel were free would anyone buy a diesel?

Very good question. And probably I'd have to come clean and say...Yes i would!

If they were free I'd still buy a derv, but thats just some of us

I'll also throw something else into the fray

I know the Mondeo has been around a while now and can't be too far from being replaced but has anyone considering diesel considered the ST Tdci.

I know it's only 150 bhp but runs 265 ftlb of torque and 295 ftlb on 'overboost'.

Plus IMHO it's a cracking looking car in met blue

I'll agree with you there it is a very nice looking car and I'd love one (they even come in estate form) but I'll have to build up my no claims etc a fair bit first :(

Also worth a note the diesel vRS has a top speed of only 139mph.. but is an insurance group lower and road tax band D.. not sure but from the spec's i found the diesel is only 30Kg heavier than the petrol.

It all comes down to what your prioritys are.

Both Octavia petrol and diesel versions look good and look the same however one has a faster take off and the other gets you further on a full tank of fuel.

Either way compared to other makes in the same class you still get more for less.

cc_7up

Having chomped thru this thread I was wondering, does that lazy low down torque that diesels are supposed to have count for anything against a petrol on a twisty road where gear changes are more frequent and need to be well timed? Of course you would have to be comparing two drivers of similar ability but you would anyway even if it was a salt flat. Everyone makes mistakes and I'm thinking that over a decent distance (10 miles plus) the forgiveness of the diesel torque availability might come in handy.

Be interesting to compare them out on the road. I reckon the diesel will FEEL faster but the petrol will BE faster. My brothers got a supercharged mx5 1.6 which puts out 186bhp. It feels guttless to drive compared to my Fabia but out on the road he kicks my **** and just pulls away but you just dont get that feeling like your accelerating in it even though you are actually accelerating pretty fast.

Erm.....my bro has a supercharged mx5 and allbut runs MX5Nutz.com The Mazda MX-5 / Roadster online web-community forum

and I would not describe a 186bhp mx5 as feeling gutless...either your brother is telling tall tales about its power output ( BTW is he a member of Nutz) or has a problem with it. My bro's car has been verified on several RR's as 180bhp+ and has been featured in Japtuner last this month in the group thrash.....the only way to describe a180bhp SC mx5 is absolutely mental, power is instantaneous and embarrases Audi s4's, standard vrs anythings, golfs, even makes porsche 911 drivers think WTF:eek:

I have driven it and it is downright scarey to drive fast all about power to weight ratio 180bhp in a car that weighs <1000KG is a lot.

Hi Dave - the car Oskah is on about is mine. Its been dynod along side Daz's (your Brother) and has beaten it on out and out power. However because of his charge cooler and engine management he has and extra 10 lb or so torque. Ive been in it and its not much quicker than mine. What I'm trying to say is that the power is really linear on a SC compared to a TC. Its like driving an RX8. suddenly your doing 90mph but you dont feel the torque.. Kevs (oskahs) old Vrs felt quicker but wasnt in reality...

BENX-5

Very good friend of mine purchased a new Octy Vrs diesel just 9 days ago.

He's taking it back tomorrow with a view to rejecting it. :eek:

Air bag light on upon delivery followed by engine management light on 2 days later, with the added joy of stuttering/cutting out on 2 seperate occasions.

Took it in and it was fixed. Dodgy earth lead apparently.:confused:

Stuttered again the following day apparently.

Today though, clonking from either the suspension or steering and....the engine management light has come back on again. He was bloody furious.

Add to this a howling gale blowing through the rear o/s rear 1/4 window, handbrake cover that came off in his hand on day 2, and a damaged rear seat cover that was also noticed on day 2, and it would seem that he's not a very happy teddy.

I'll let you know what transpires.

Update.

My mate 's new Vrs diesel is still off rhe road. Asked for a full refund but was blankly refused. Apparently a modified part is on order....BACK order. Something to do with the glow plug relay under the fuse box or something.:confused: Just how long he's therefore going to have to wait is anyones guess. Solicitors advice beckons next week.

Alledgedly a common fault already according to the stealer via Skoda UK.

He is extremely unhappy having a brand new car off the road at such an early time.

He wrote an e mail to Skoda but even they haven't had the courtesy to reply.

He tells me that when it's all sorted he's getting shut and will be purchasing a Honda Accord cdti.

surely he has every right to reject a car that is brand new and doesn't work properly :confused:

surely he has every right to reject a car that is brand new and doesn't work properly :confused:

He has indeed, but as is sadly usual, the dealer is just fobbing him off with excuses and time wasting tactics to try and get it fixed to shut him up.

Hence the reason for getting in touch with Skoda UK, finance company and a solicitor this coming monday morning apparently.

He's really at his wits end.

Nope he should say to the dealer if it's off the road end of the week you are taking it back. It is his right to do so.

Nope he should say to the dealer if it's off the road end of the week you are taking it back. It is his right to do so.

One of the guys I work with used to work in a UK Ford dealership, he mentioned before that they havd 3 goes at sorting the issue out then you are entitled to a replacement motor.

This early on I would say simply park it up, give them the keys and phone the finance company.

One of the guys I work with used to work in a UK Ford dealership, he mentioned before that they havd 3 goes at sorting the issue out then you are entitled to a replacement motor.

Strange one this. You hear and read conflicting reports on what is supposedly fact on this subject.

He rang the Trading Standards bods up...or whatever they are called now, and was apparently told quite catergorically that he SHOULD NOT have allowed them to attempt a fix the first time the engine management light came on, but reject it there and then.

By letting them fix it, albeit unsucssefully, he was in essence accepting the car and leaving himself in a much weakened position for rejecting it now.

Doesn't make much sense to me either tbh.:confused:

What a total bummer though all the same.

What puzzles me is that he was told that their is now a modification available to solve this problem ...on back order...for a car that was only officially released 3 weeks ago.

Will back order really mean in this case that they haven't really got a clue what's up with it, and thus give them more time to solve the problem. Sounds like a stalling tactic to me.

Surely they can't have had sufficient complaints yet to warrant a modification?

How many do we reckon they've actually delivered so far, and how many owners in here have had similar problems? Not many on either count I suspect.

I'm taking him out for a drink tomorrow night to cheer him up, so any other info or ammo that I can pass on to him would be appreciated. Never seen him so down hearted.

the engine is in use in other cars thougb is it not? so the fix might have actually been around be the TDi vRS was released

the engine is in use in other cars thougb is it not? so the fix might have actually been around be the TDi vRS was released

Any modified / upgraded parts fitted on other VAG models with this engine in the recent past...meaning more than a month or so ago, would surely/ should have been fitted as standard on the new Vrs Diesel though I'd have thought.

The way he's talking this is a very recent problem that they've come across, with Skoda UK 'claiming' that yes, they have had a 'few' others with the same problem.

All seems a bit early to be modifying parts to me, but hey, what do I know?

I didn't think they had delivered any VRS Dervs yet except for the dealer demonstrators.

If i was your mate I'd be aprking the car at the dealer harding they keys back and saying thanks but no thanks. I want a new one or a refund. I can't see how he has weakened his position that much really ,esp under the new trading laws.