But that's how you have to use them in fog !!

In some cases, sidelights and fog lights afford better visibility than dipped beam and fogs.....

Chris

true.

but I think "sidelights + fogs" is a more common mis-use* at a non-foggy time than 'dipped + fogs'

* you know the time: "well, it's not really dark enough to turn my lights on properly, so I'll just use my sidelights and turn on the front fogs"

In some cases, sidelights and fog lights afford better visibility than dipped beam and fogs.....

Chris

This is true, and is also the only time it's actually legal to use fogs (either set).

In fact, in daylight fog, it's best to use full beam plus rear fogs, to maximise range; dazzle isn't a factor.

From the Highway code:

226

You MUST use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced, generally when you cannot see for more than 100 metres (328 feet). You may also use front or rear fog lights but you MUST switch them off when visibility improves (see Rule 236).

236

You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.

If not for the Octy making it compulsory when I need the rear, I'd only use the front fogs when visibility is under about 50yds, and it's dark.

On the subject of fog lights, another thing that winds me up is people who don't know that if someone is behind you, you should switch off your rear fogs as it dazzles them and they will switch theirs on for as long as they are the last in the queue until someone catches them up and so on..... It takes a bit more thought and consideration than "Oh its foggy, i'll switch my fog lights on coz i'm a good driver", and they stay on until their journey finishes.... and for the whole of the next day.... and the next.... aaaarrgghhh!!!!! They are there to warn a car approaching you from behind that you are there when visibility is poor, once they've caught you up, they know you are there, they can see you, SWITCH THEM OFF !!!

*unclenches fists and teeth, calms down*

If not for the Octy making it compulsory when I need the rear, I'd only use the front fogs when visibility is under about 50yds, and it's dark.

That's so when you pull up in traffic, say at traffic lights, you can turn the rear one off so not to blind the person behind while leaving the front ones on.

If the fog is sufficiently dense, you should use them in the day too, helps oncoming traffic see you better.

What REALLY REALLY gets on my goat is idiots using them after there has been snow, not during like you can, but AFTER...just to blind people especialy oncoming traffic.

That's so when you pull up in traffic, say at traffic lights, you can turn the rear one off so not to blind the person behind while leaving the front ones on.

You mean, like why my old ZX had separate switches for front and rear fogs (and the rear one did interlock such that it only let me have them on when I'd heads or front fogs on)?

If the fog is sufficiently dense, you should use them in the day too, helps oncoming traffic see you better.

Do keep up old bean; I've already said that I'd use full beam heads in daylight fog.

What REALLY REALLY gets on my goat is idiots using them after there has been snow, not during like you can, but AFTER...just to blind people especialy oncoming traffic.

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Sorry Ken, I misread your post, I have been flitting between this and my CAD work as I'm trying to get it done so I can go home for beer.

all the quotes above should be no exception for dublin!!!....if it can be done anywhere in the world then its taken to extreme in dublin!!.....just a taster here.......the car in front pulls onto a roundabout then decides that a car entering at an other junction on the rounabout is approaching too quickly (not at all) so they stop and give way!!! Or at a busy roundabout just pull into the first lane past the white lines and wait for a car to stop (cos your blocking the road) before swerving all over the road cos you have no idea what lane to be in and how to use a roundabout!!!

k:)

Sorry Ken, I misread your post, I have been flitting between this and my CAD work as I'm trying to get it done so I can go home for beer.

No probs; I'm off on hols myself in about 3 minutes!

Roundabout straight liners!!!

JCBs

Taxi Drivers

Delivery Vans

Cyclists

Drivers who wear flat cap & gloves

Rainy day drivers

People who wait for a written invitation to pull out at junctions

Oh basically everybody who gets in my way:mad:

What's wrong with straight-lining a roundabout, as long as you don't cut someone else up in the process?

Peole who dont drive for a living and have nowhere near the experience of Taxi drivers/van drivers/bus drivers etc etc.

oh and bus drivers who, whilst they are waiting at a bus stop and you are going past them, they then decide to set off and do not wait until you are clear, they just barge out and try to squish you into the oncoming traffic:eek:

I used to be very much a 'press on' type driver. Since changing my style to 'go with the flow' it's amazing how all the other drivers on the road seem to have improved and how much less annoying they have become.

Peole who dont drive for a living and have nowhere near the experience of Taxi drivers/van drivers/bus drivers etc etc.

:rofl: Thanks, that's the best laugh I've had all day.

Must be the time of year but my current biggest gripe is cars with defective bulbs, their lights don't work either.

true.

but I think "sidelights + fogs" is a more common mis-use* at a non-foggy time than 'dipped + fogs'

* you know the time: "well, it's not really dark enough to turn my lights on properly, so I'll just use my sidelights and turn on the front fogs"

Personally I find that if its foggy enough to require fog lights then turning the lights to side only is much better. While dazzle may not be a factor in daylight running main beam dosent help, just increases glare.

Persoannly I occasionalu use fog lights in heavy rain as the roads I drive are very prone to surface flooding and it shows water much more clearly.

1. no indication

2. slow drivers who slow for no apparent reason

3. people who for the mile or so before the speed camera are doing the 40/50/60 for that road and then jam the brakes on as they get to the camera and drop the speed to half the limit before they go through the camera.

4. middle lane hoggers

5. tailgaters

6. people with fog lights on on a clear day.

7. cigarette flickers

8. people who think they own the road and dont give a t0ss for those around them (driving without care and attention).

9. Greenpeace campaigners

10. nervous drivers.

not many from me

Glad i'm not the only person who has a problem with people who use front fogs when it's not reduced visibility they don't have the rears on so why the fronts. Using them in rain or on wet roads will annoy on coming drivers more than in the dry due to increased glare and road surface reflection.

Poor lane discipline on multi lane carriageways include in that not using mirrors.

Mr and Mrs one speed 40 will do.

Mr 10 mph below the limit rigidly doing 10 below what ever the road conditions.

People who accelerate when you overtake I am traveling faster than you or I wouldn't have caught you up if you just let me pass after the next set of bends you will never see me again.

I could go on all night.

What's wrong with straight-lining a roundabout, as long as you don't cut someone else up in the process?

Most of the **** heads who do never check to see if someone is on their right:mad: :mad:

Peole who dont drive for a living and have nowhere near the experience of Taxi drivers/van drivers/bus drivers etc etc.

Taxi drivers, who, because they drive 60000 miles a year (badly), in barely road legal cars, cutting up other quiet, law-abiding motorists, think it gives them the right to strike a pose...

well where do i start!!.......here in Dublin?.....think i would need a very long bit of paper!!......But the main one is that you can drive here all legal WITHOUT passing a driving test!!!!! then run into the back of people (me) while stationary then just sit there and shrug your shoulders and say 'what do you want me to do about it!'

k:)

You can actually take your test over here, fail it several times and wave goodbye to the examiner as you happily drive off each time from the test centre!

Taxi drivers, who, because they drive 60000 miles a year (badly), in barely road legal cars, cutting up other quiet, law-abiding motorists, think it gives them the right to strike a pose...

I have seen some badly maintained Taxis, we took one in in part exchange - all 4 tyres were illegal and it was carrying passengers a few days before, there is absolutely no excuse for it.

Also straight lining on roudabouts, I have to take evasive action at least once a week on a particular roudabout near me - just one day I will by a £50 scrapper and not bother, especially if the offending car is relatively new.

As to not been able to crticise other drivers, my driving record speaks for itself - no points in nearly 25 years.

Taxi drivers, who, because they drive 60000 miles a year (badly), in barely road legal cars, cutting up other quiet, law-abiding motorists, think it gives them the right to strike a pose...

Cant say I've ever 'striked a pose' whatever that is?

And I can assure you neither my car, nor any of my colleagues cars, nor any of the cars on my fleet are 'barely road legal' infact I'd put money on it they are all in better condition, more roadworthy and much more highly maintained than anyone else on Briskodas.

The simple fact is, proffesional drivers, mile for mile, have far less accidents than anyone else, people mistake confidence for poor driving, my experience will tell me that I can pull out into that gap without causing other motorists to slow, it's just they dont realise I can and panick brake when there is no need to, by the time they find the horn i'm halfway down the road.