feel like iv been told off by my dad

It may well do, though it is good sound advice

You have one small incident, and you will have "serious" problems

(As an insurer, would you pay out £30k or find an undeclared mod ?)

An undeclared "mod" will null and void your insurance, so you become

a "driving without insurance", the plod like that, then you have to pay for

all of any damage out of your own pocket

A simple roof respray, with no damage to repair comes in at £400

More serious damage, and your car is written off, you have to pay all outstanding debt on the car before you can even buy a new car

Cause a transporter with 8 Mercs aboard to roll, and you are looking at a cool quartermillion to pay off (I have seen this twice on the M8 Did not know if they were insured or not though)

It is harsh but an even harsher lesson to learn

i won't be bothering with a dragon box,my standard furby hit the same on the rollers give or take as the dragon boxed cars last weekend at the awesome rolling road day

If those figures are correct, then that really is quite impressive!

I fitted one today.

Took a bit longer than 15mins but I did feed the wires through etc.

I have it on jumper setting 5.

Took it for a spin as soon as I got it... definitely a LOT quicker and the ECU hasnt adapted fully yet. You need to be a lot more careful as if you floor it in 2nd or 3rd it torque steers like a biatch.

Just wondering, has anybody heard of these boxes causing any issues further down the line?

No doubt it will cause some kind of reduction in life of the engine, or turbo etc, but does anyone have an idea if it is any different to a remap?

The Dragon will probably "overfuel" the engine more than a remap, but I still think it's within perfectly safe tolerances and lots of people run them to 100k+ without problems.

Chris

I suppose the other question is... because your not changing the amount of boost does that make it kinder to the engine?

Maybe i'm asking stupid questions, the only reason is, i'm toying with the idea of getting a remap, or something like the dragon box. And unfortunately i have a fair bit of warranty left so i'm not sure if i'd be best just to wait rather than invalidate a fair chunk of the warranty.:confused:

Dragon or remap may cause problems with the warranty so if you want to be 100% safe wait until it runs out before tinkering. Tuning boxes achieve figures approaching remap figures by overfuelling more, whereas a remap can use less fuel and up the boost.

I usually favour tuning boxes because they can be easily removed and I've sold all mine for at least 65% of what I bought them for which means that the total cost of ownership (bang for buck) is considerably less than a remap

Chris

Well i've plumped up the courage and gone for one!

Should be here tomorrow (fingers crossed)

Will try to fit it one night in the week

Going to sling a new filter in soon too and change the oil as I think the garage I got the car from put crap oil in and I don't want to risk it!

Oh and I have ordered 2 new tyres for the front to help with grip

Steve

An undeclared "mod" will null and void your insurance, so you become

a "driving without insurance", the plod like that, then you have to pay for

all of any damage out of your own pocket

A simple roof respray, with no damage to repair comes in at £400

More serious damage, and your car is written off, you have to pay all outstanding debt on the car before you can even buy a new car

Cause a transporter with 8 Mercs aboard to roll, and you are looking at a cool quartermillion to pay off (I have seen this twice on the M8 Did not know if they were insured or not though)

It is harsh but an even harsher lesson to learn

I`ve had a situation that i had to help a mate get out of when everyone one saying he wasnt insured because of this and that. having an undeclared mod will NOT void your insurance up to the point of an accident the insurance can only void or avoid the policy once it has become aware of the breach and NOT backdate it. Also there is a statment in all policies saying that ther is nothing contained in this policy that affects your third party right to claim.

A couple of pages up someone was hit by an uninsured driver thats a differant situation if thay had no insurance at all.

MY mates situation was differant however he was delivering pizza and got pulled for no business use. however the police had no place in presuming what the ins comp would do in this situation as he was still covered under the road traffic act so had to give him his car back from the inpound.

I`ve had a friend who was sat at a set of lights and got rear ended turns out he had no insurance so was driving illegally but the bloke who hit him`s insuracne stilll payed out.

I`m not condoning not declaring just saying the insurance COULD squiggle out of paying your damage but they CANNOT with the third party

regards matt

If you are driving without insurance and you cause damage then there is no body but yourself liable to pay for the damage

If you are driving with insurance, but with undeclared mods, or even undeclared points on your licence, then the insurance company, will and do terminate the insurance from day one, sometimes they are even considerate enough to give you your premiums back :-)

So you are insured by billy no mates and co, have an expensive accident

Now billy no mates and co can either give you your £320 premiums back and declare you lied and are un insured or they can pay for the new mercedes you have just written off along with your own car. most billy no mates companies will declare you nul and void

On the other hand, most of the court appearances in my local rag, for driving offences,crashed car, maimed three passengers no insurance no licence carry a fifty pound fine or 100hrs community service and do not do it again

Should I pay my £320 this year? ;-)

this may look like thread highjacking but er well.

this is from a friend

151 is what matters to us as insurers.

"(5) Notwithstanding that the insurer may be entitled to avoid or cancel, or may have avoided or cancelled, the policy or security, he must, subject to the provisions of this section, pay to the persons entitled to the benefit of the judgment—

(a) as regards liability in respect of death or bodily injury, any sum payable under the judgment in respect of the liability, together with any sum which, by virtue of any enactment relating to interest on judgments, is payable in respect of interest on that sum,

( as regards liability in respect of damage to property, any sum required to be paid under subsection (6) below, and

© any amount payable in respect of costs."

So we are are quite able to avoid the policy, or decline indemnity. The RTA forces us to PAY the TP not to change the contractual relationship.

And this is how it works in practice too. It gets tricky as we have a claim on a cancelled policy. The IT guys get quite upset !

Blimey, that's confusing - what does it actually mean? :confused:

Blimey, that's confusing - what does it actually mean? :confused:

I think it basically means anything you hit or damage will be paid for regardless. However, I suspect the insurers may come chasing you to recover losses....

Chris

I think it basically means anything you hit or damage will be paid for regardless. However, I suspect the insurers may come chasing you to recover losses....

Chris

They's goin' to get medieval on you' ***!

I think it basically means anything you hit or damage will be paid for regardless. However, I suspect the insurers may come chasing you to recover losses....

They's goin' to get medieval on you' ***!

Ah-ha!

Yeah thats about right. Its about protecting the law abiding driver but leaving a big loophole for the c*nts who put the millenium falcon engine into their corsa`s then drive round with tpft cover.

Can we end it there so i dont get flamed in my first few days on here

cheers

matt

Just looking at dragonperformanceuk.com and noticed the DTE TUV control unit with the same dragon performance for the VRS .

DTE-Systems PD add-on electronic control units - Fabia 1.9 TDI RS 130

Anyone know what the difference is between a TUV and non TUV approved.

TÜV are the German safety standards organisations. Not being TÜV approved isn't necessarily a bad thing, as whatever you're looking at may have been tested by another country, or even if it hasn't been tested by any national organisation, it doesn't necessarily mean it's dodgy. Obviously, if it has been tested by someone then you'll have that extra bit of peace of mind...

PS: There are a number of companies that sell tuning boxes for the PD130 giving roughly the same performance. AIUI, they're much of a muchness. I was going to get the Vector Tuning unit (rebranded as HH Tuning in the UK), but had the opportunity to get a second-hand Dragon box from another member on here. There're pages and pages of discussion on here about the respective merits of the £30-ish resistor boxes, the £200-ish digital boxes and the £400+ remaps if you want to know more...

On the insurance topic.

The cost of repairing a car is usually insignificant compared to any personal injury claim.

My 19 yr old son had a minor bump at a roundabout - the other driver stalled it and my son bumped their back end cracking the bumper. Nobody seemed injured - details were exchanged etc etc. Few months later a claim for £16K was settled by our insurers (car repair £600 plus - car hire, personal injury, loss of earnings etc etc). If my sons insurance was voided he would have had to find that amount.

Incidently - looking after a paralysed person at home can cost around £200K per year for the rest of their life - anyone here got that sort of cash?

GET PROPERLY INSURED.

On the insurance topic.

The cost of repairing a car is usually insignificant compared to any personal injury claim.

My 19 yr old son had a minor bump at a roundabout - the other driver stalled it and my son bumped their back end cracking the bumper. Nobody seemed injured - details were exchanged etc etc. Few months later a claim for £16K was settled by our insurers (car repair £600 plus - car hire, personal injury, loss of earnings etc etc). If my sons insurance was voided he would have had to find that amount.

Incidently - looking after a paralysed person at home can cost around £200K per year for the rest of their life - anyone here got that sort of cash?

GET PROPERLY INSURED.

yeh thats small change:D

I may be being slightly special but i had massive troubles trying to fit my Dragon tuning box today!!!! To the point where i gave in!!!

i Couldn't get the connectors to line up at all, is there a technique to connecting as would like to try again before i give up and sell the box

any help would be fantastic

Matt

I found mine to be a bit of pig to connect to the engine block.

just keep trying to make the pins line up

They certainly can be a bit awkward, but only in a 30 second fiddle sort of way. Don't just try to blindly force the plug in, examine the pin locations very carefully first - take your time - it will go on and you will be very pleased you persevered once you get to drive with it fitted:thumbup:. Don't even concider giving up - you will be well rewarded!

I may be being slightly special but i had massive troubles trying to fit my Dragon tuning box today!!!! To the point where i gave in!!!

i Couldn't get the connectors to line up at all, is there a technique to connecting as would like to try again before i give up and sell the box

any help would be fantastic

Matt

I concur it is a total pain in the ****

Me and a few mates took it in turns for nealy an hour trying to get the connector in

before it was finally connected

As has been said keep on trying but dont force it

Its worth the effort

(or maybe take it to a garage and ask a mechanic)