Not strictly... since there is no law that covers "goods as described" from private parties. However, there is the possibility of fraud I would assume?

Obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception would be a criminal matter that could cover it , or the buyer could simply take you to the small claims court if you lied

what happens to uninsured drivers?

What should happen is that they are forced to pay the costs.

The reality is they run in the event of a crash or at worst they get a few fines and told not to do it again or banned from driving for 12 months.

Leaving law abiding motorists the hassle of losing some or maybe all of their NCB

I did hear that the Police were doing more to catch uninsured drivers read on the BBC website. Article here

I've just had a great idea. Instead of fineing uninsured drivers, make them pay the full premiums that their cars would attract (yes with no NCD applied)!

I've just had a great idea. Instead of fineing uninsured drivers, make them pay the full premiums that their cars would attract (yes with no NCD applied)!

And fine them, and take their car of them for good.

And fine them, and take their car of them for good.

As a large part of the problem is that the fines are less than the insurance premiums would be...

As a large part of the problem is that the fines are less than the insurance premiums would be...

I'm totally up for that a hit and run from an uninsured driver will have cost me thousands :(

I still maintain that no repair can be as good as new.

As a large part of the problem is that the fines are less than the insurance premiums would be...

Yeah I mean, put all three together..... so they have to pay the insurance, and get fined and get their car taken of them.

It looks like repairing the car is the only option, now the work has been given the green light no one is interested any more.

Looks like we will get the car back no matter what we say or do. I will probably get shot of it sooner rather than later which is a shame as it WAS a really nice, highly spec'd car, i''l approach my dealer and see what they will offer as P/X for another new car although I get the feeling I will be torn a new one over it :eek:

I might wait for the new CR vRS TDI and order a similar car but with the Columbus unit but it will ultimately cost me big bucks to do this.

All this because some tit wasn't looking where he was going :thumbdwn:

Thanks again to everyone who has contributed to this thread, SWMBO and I greatly appreciate it :grouphug:

When the car comes back I will stick some pictures up so you can all make your own judgments

As an aside: I think uninsured drivers should be put way out of pocket and then some for the hurt, upset and expense their ignorant attitude causes.

You could try taking the guy to court over the depreciation (if you can get a quote from the dealers)

You could try taking the guy to court over the depreciation (if you can get a quote from the dealers)

No your insurance legal cover can pay for them to reclaim this

It looks like repairing the car is the only option, now the work has been given the green light no one is interested any more.

Looks like we will get the car back no matter what we say or do. I will probably get shot of it sooner rather than later which is a shame as it WAS a really nice, highly spec'd car, i''l approach my dealer and see what they will offer as P/X for another new car although I get the feeling I will be torn a new one over it :eek:

I might wait for the new CR vRS TDI and order a similar car but with the Columbus unit but it will ultimately cost me big bucks to do this.

All this because some tit wasn't looking where he was going :thumbdwn:

Thanks again to everyone who has contributed to this thread, SWMBO and I greatly appreciate it :grouphug:

When the car comes back I will stick some pictures up so you can all make your own judgments

As an aside: I think uninsured drivers should be put way out of pocket and then some for the hurt, upset and expense their ignorant attitude causes.

Just take verniers and check the panel gaps, the paint with a PTG etc etc.

Check for any signs of overspray, ask to know if the chassis was bent etc.

If it isn't the same as a new car, reject the repair. The ins company will soon get bored and write the car off selling your one themselves.

I'd also be asking for a full list of all the work carried out including panels replaced, any straightening and how bent the car was etc etc.

Seen it happen that the ins co can't be bothered with the extra work a few times when i was doing that as temp work.

If all fails sue for uninsured losses as stated by Auroan

Hi

Wife had similar accident coming onto a roundabout, car behind her smashed into her Nissan 2dlx, damaging the bumper, boot, one rear light. Passenger in wife's car suffered neck injury, wife didn't . Insurance paid total repair, and passenger received claim OK . Car still on road all ok except boot never realigned properly, so good luck.

I have the exact panel gap measurements for the Octavia so I will be checking everything. The person I spoke to from the insurance company said I would be able to keep rejecting the car just because I want a new one, cheeky *******

We are claiming for devaluation via our legal cover as well.

Right, big update time.

The car is back after several delays, to quote the body shop: "We had ******* massive problems with it" :(

Anyway, I checked it as thoroughly as I could while we were collecting the car but as it was getting dark it had to wait.

After a thorough inspection on the car in daylight I am kind of pleased to say I cannot see any external signs of repair. The entire rear end of the car has been replaced including a totally new tailgate. This aside, I still and always will know it has been bent and repaired.

You can see where the re sealing has been done along with paint blending but only in places like the spare wheel well and behind trim etc and it all looks nice and professional.

I've taken it on a 'thorough' test drive and subjected it to all sorts of taxing situations and it appears to behave as it should. No creaks/rattles/leaks to reports AS YET.

Am I happy to have the car back? yes and no. Yes I am happy they have done an outstandingly good job (Portslade Panelworks ) but it will never be 100% - that is impossible.

SWMBO (Yes, she has a real name - Lisa :P) isn't happy her pride and joy was bent in a reasonably nasty shunt and would have preferred a replacement but after 2 months of wrangling it will never happen and we have to accept that :thumbdwn:

Lisa's neck is better but again, not 100%. It's still sore on occasions but the physio has helped no end and her employer has been nothing but sympathetic and helpful throughout the whole thing

The compensation claim is slowly grinding through the system and I am going to visit my local Skoda dealer to see what the score is with the car's value after the prang. I will be claiming any losses from the other party's insurance company.

To be honest, we don't know if the car's chassis is 100% OK. I personally don't think it can be after the impact it suffered but I am not an automotive engineer so my opinion is just my own.

We would ideally like to order another vRS and get shot of the current car but that will cost big bucks. I will explore that option with the dealer but I expect to be bent over on that one :(

The cars value should be unaffected, it will not be recorded on any registers as accident damaged. As you say they have done an excellent job.

The cars value should be unaffected, it will not be recorded on any registers as accident damaged. As you say they have done an excellent job.

It doesn't need to be on any register - when you trade it in you will be asked if it has ever had any significant accident damage and if you say yes then you *will* be offered less.

I for one wouldn't pay the recommended price for a car knowing the back end has been reconstructed. I wouldn't be able to lie on that one for fear of repercussions further down the line.

It doesn't need to be on any register - when you trade it in you will be asked if it has ever had any significant accident damage and if you say yes then you *will* be offered less.

The only question like that I have ever come accross is "has the car ever been subject to an insurance write off". I don't think it will affect value and I don't think I'd be telling my local sales team either if I were thinking of getting rid.

As for trying to claim for potential losses due to de-valuation, I would be very surprised if you managed it.

The only question like that I have ever come accross is "has the car ever been subject to an insurance write off". I don't think it will affect value and I don't think I'd be telling my local sales team either if I were thinking of getting rid.

As for trying to claim for potential losses due to de-valuation, I would be very surprised if you managed it.

When I bought the last two cars I was given a form by the dealers (not all , but plenty of them) to fill out the details of my part-ex vehicle. There was the usual stuff about make and model , and then a question about if it had ever had significant accident damage. Even on a good repair there will be signs , so if you say no and they then spot it you could have comeback from them.

As for being able to claim for a reduction in value - I did when my Mk1 was rear ended.

...To be honest, we don't know if the car's chassis is 100% OK. I personally don't think it can be after the impact it suffered...

I completely understand why you wanted a new car rather than a repair; I would've wanted the same.

However, it's perfectly possible that the outer panels could have been damaged without bending the chassis. As the car was hit on the rear, the outer panels could have detached and slid forward, pushing the C-pillar cover forward and causing it to crease when it was stopped from moving further by the more integral roof panel. I'm not saying this is what happened, but it is possible the garage are telling the truth and the chassis is undamaged.

I've seen someone using a modern body alignment jig, and it's not impossible that a good man has got the car as straight or straighter than it was before.

I've seen someone using a modern body alignment jig, and it's not impossible that a good man has got the car as straight or straighter than it was before.

Even if it has been pulled straight , once it has been creased the metal will be weaker and will have a tendency to deform on the same lines if it's hit again