Annihilated by a Saxo

[redbaron]

A lot of the kit on that car isn't standard

im impressed a fabia driver that actually reads the threads about other cars...

I know its not standard but the stripped bit will probably be the single biggest gain.

[yegnold]

I think the Fabia is a very good car but I appreciate that it is nowhere near perfect, especially in the handling department

Given the choice between my VRS and that saxo for a track day, I'd take the saxo every time. However for a daily driver, I'm happy with the VRS over pretty much any saxo

[faboka vrs]

I know its not standard but the stripped bit will probably be the single biggest gain.

:iagree:

A good example is the new megane R26.R. 120Kg lighter than the stock R26, softer springs, revalved dampers, no power increase and they say its 1seconds per km round a track faster than a R26. Tick the R888 option and they say that increases to 2 sec per km.

[mardon]

I know its not standard but the stripped bit will probably be the single biggest gain.

Actually i'd say the quaife diff would probably give you the single biggest gain. Cost wise stripping it more cost effective though.

A standard powered Saxo/Gti with a quaife will be faster round a technical track than a cammed (160bhp) gti IMO. Having driven the inner ring at Rockingham which is quite twisty I can appreciate HOW much of a difference this mod can make. I was chasing a Saxo fitted with one... on the corners it pulled away scarily fast.

[oilburninnut]

he wont come to blyton, the chocolate gearbox or dodgy number 3 cylider would not handle it.....

sadly im not sure i will make it either... as have compressed a disc in my lower back.. suspect the chiro wont approve of tearing round blyton teaching derv burners how to drive.....

thats a shame cos i was looking forward to learning a thing or three from some of you olds;)

[oilburninnut]

Actually i'd say the quaife diff would probably give you the single biggest gain. Cost wise stripping it more cost effective though.

A standard powered Saxo/Gti with a quaife will be faster round a technical track than a cammed (160bhp) gti IMO. Having driven the inner ring at Rockingham which is quite twisty I can appreciate HOW much of a difference this mod can make. I was chasing a Saxo fitted with one... on the corners it pulled away scarily fast.

loosing wieght and a set of track tyres make more difference than a new diff,or it des on a fabia anyway.

[faboka vrs]

loosing wieght and a set of track tyres make more difference than a new diff,or it des on a fabia anyway.

I would expect that too. My logic about it all it. If the tyres provide enough grip to get traction then were's the need for a fancy diff? Or am I looking at it wrong?

Can't wait to see what my standish furby is like against your again gary If it dry I'm expecting you to annihilate me

[Decron]

loosing wieght and a set of track tyres make more difference than a new diff,or it des on a fabia anyway.

Totally. Remove your rears seats and spare, and fit some decent rubber. Removing the rear seats balances the car a little too (With the spare these weigh over 60kg!!!), I found it helped a lot on trackdays and was quite fun to get the rear opposite wheel off the floor!

[redbaron]

the less weight and tyres will be better than a diff on a dry track... if it rains the car with the diff will probably "pwn" you - (if the driver has the balls)

[mardon]

The car is already light and loosing the back seats, spare (didn’t keep one in the car anyway) and some trim doesn't make a HUGE difference as that was what I was running with new 300mile bedded in yoko's. Ok the car was a little faster but not hugely. My car probably went from 930 to 900kg's if that. Peugeots are not made out of as heavy stuff as skoda's Trust me your talking about things in PRACTICE i'm talking about things in REAL life

I'm sure its quite possible for things to be the other way around in the skoda though.

[redbaron]

I'm sure its quite possible for things to be the other way around in the skoda though.

it was.

[oilburninnut]

and when the rain fell my diff equiped car ws an absolute nightmare untill i got used to it

[mardon]

Do you get more overseer with a LSD? I know its not the same but on froza you can almost get a well set up FWD car with an LSD to drift round corners.

Before going for the VRS I was going to get a Teg DC5 (bit of a change I know). This is still on the cars for in 3 years when my annual mileage will drop. That is one RAPID FWD car.

[oilburninnut]

basically you aproach the corner too fast,turn in wait for understeer then boot it and wrestle it through the corner,its not pretty but it is a huge improvment over standard,and with the jabba arb yes it pretty much will drift

[bengie]

how does losing weight from the rear of an already front heavy car help balance it?

and 220bhp/ton pah!!! :P

my skoda's going to have more than that and mines nothing compared to some of the cars on here, eddy's must have been over 300/ton

[Shifty]

basically you aproach the corner too fast,turn in wait for understeer then boot it and wrestle it through the corner,its not pretty but it is a huge improvment over standard,and with the jabba arb yes it pretty much will drift

Surely you mean oversteer?

My car is totally stripped, as a result even more nose heavy. You just adapt your driving to suit the car - not the car to suit you

I don't feel the need for a diff myself, good rubber and big cherries with the all eibach setup and jabba arb and minus ALOT of wieght = adequate , unless face with a Megane F1 on roundabouts :(

If I stay in the UK, and keep the car, battery will be relocated to the boot, and A/C will be coming off to try and help the nose wieght.

It actually handles better with seats in etc, and a boot full of tools, but slows it down.

[Decron]

how does losing weight from the rear of an already front heavy car help balance it?

Rear seat are more from the middle of the car but I see your point. The car is front heavy and as standard will understeer. With a Rarb and less weight in the back makes the backend a little more live resulting in a car that can actually be drifted with accuracy.

I am not sure why but I can guarentee that it works and makes for a real sweet handling car.

It actually handles better with seats in etc, and a boot full of tools, but slows it down.

Mine didnt :( It was better without the weight in the boot and a lot quicker

[Shifty]

Rear seat are more from the middle of the car but I see your point. The car is front heavy and as standard will understeer. With a Rarb and less weight in the back makes the backend a little more live resulting in a car that can actually be drifted with accuracy.

I am not sure why but I can guarentee that it works and makes for a real sweet handling car.

Mine didnt :( It was better without the weight in the boot and a lot quicker

Oh - don't get me wrong - it's more lively empty, and quicker - alot quicker, but handling is better - ie it feels more poised when loaded up, and more settled. I like twitch/lairy though. It's much more fun.

[Decron]

Oh - don't get me wrong - it's more lively empty, and quicker - alot quicker, but handling is better - ie it feels more poised when loaded up, and more settled. I like twitch/lairy though. It's much more fun.

I think a lot of it will depend on the actual setup, condition of things like bushes and a lot of it is down to tyres. I ran a full Eibach prokit with shocks and dampers and I mostly used t1r's on the track which I found progressive compared to the f1's which don't let you know where it's going to go...

I's also going to be down to whatever you feel is right. I love my Roomster for handling but some people will never believe me

[Shifty]

I think a lot of it will depend on the actual setup, condition of things like bushes and a lot of it is down to tyres. I ran a full Eibach prokit with shocks and dampers and I mostly used t1r's on the track which I found progressive compared to the f1's which don't let you know where it's going to go...

I's also going to be down to whatever you feel is right. I love my Roomster for handling but some people will never believe me

Yup, I'm a Toyo whore. 888's or T1-r's only for me

[AlexR]

I agree 220bhp/ton isn't that much, it's close to 230, BUT when i can carry much more speed through corners there's not such a need for power as i'm already going faster come the next straight

[yegnold]

I agree 220bhp/ton isn't that much, it's close to 230, BUT when i can carry much more speed through corners there's not such a need for power as i'm already going faster come the next straight

... meaning you save fuel!

[redbaron]

I agree 220bhp/ton isn't that much, it's close to 230, BUT when i can carry much more speed through corners there's not such a need for power as i'm already going faster come the next straight

some will not grasps this... the number of scooby /evo / skylines that were upset by my octy never did either

[Neo_VR]

Not that many of you n00bs were around back in the days of brisky@brunters... but especially the 2nd one which was a joint brisky/old school trackday was a riot..

Cossie powered mark2 escorts aside, there were alot of track-prepped bangers.. most notable for me being a XR2, stripped and caged. at the peak of my furby's modded-ness (everything bar a big turbo) it was absolutely raping said xr2 on the straights, but the xr2 utterly raped me on braking and cornering.. i was holding him up on the corners and he was holding me up on the straights...

same goes for Redbaron vs whitelightning... the supra had almost 3 times the power to the octy.. but the 'baron.. stripped and on slicks was carrying far more speed through the corners.

so, light cars+slicks FTW

[bengie]

oh definitly, yours would be awesome in the corners