Things must be getting hard for dealers:

Auto Trader UK - SKODA SUPERB 2.0 TDI CR 170 Elegance 5dr DSG

Edited 8 October, 200817 yr by wilkopilko
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Not sure they could sell that yet as I suspect it'll be a demo.

thats not a huge amount off tbh. list price is just over 24k and thats up for 23k

God that's expensive for a pre-reg!

And a 2.0 PD TDi as well. The ad does say "New Shape"

Auto Trader UK - SKODA Superb 2.0 TDI PD Elegance

you might as well go to broadspeed and order a new one and get it for less than that !!

you might as well go to broadspeed and order a new one and get it for less than that !!

and you wonder why dealers are getting desperate!!

but all broadspeed do is introduce you to a dealer.

*resist the temptation to comment*

*resist the temptation to comment*

please do - what do you know that i dont ? (by the way i am probably not going to use them - the resident dealer on this forum is a much nicer chap !!)

please do - what do you know that i dont ? (by the way i am probably not going to use them - the resident dealer on this forum is a much nicer chap !!)

yes they do just point you to a dealer, but if they werent there full stop then dealers wouldnt have to sell cars at a loss. you coudl still go and get a good deal and even play one off another. but these brokers get paid more than the dealers do!

imoa brokers are bad for everyone. they may help you save a few quid, but the skinny margins mean the dealers cant look after you like they would like too, and at worst they go out of business due to loosing money. also if i know a broker can get me so many hundreds off a new car, that means your nice well kept used car is also worth less by several hundreds too.

the only people who benefit are the brokers, sitting at home making more money than the dealers who look after you.

grrrr, rant over i think

yes they do just point you to a dealer, but if they werent there full stop then dealers wouldnt have to sell cars at a loss. you coudl still go and get a good deal and even play one off another. but these brokers get paid more than the dealers do!

imoa brokers are bad for everyone. they may help you save a few quid, but the skinny margins mean the dealers cant look after you like they would like too, and at worst they go out of business due to loosing money. also if i know a broker can get me so many hundreds off a new car, that means your nice well kept used car is also worth less by several hundreds too.

the only people who benefit are the brokers, sitting at home making more money than the dealers who look after you.

grrrr, rant over i think

Trouble is & lets face it - t'internet is killing most retail shops on the high street because it's easier & more convenient especially when you know what you want - I guess the same is slowly happening to the Car market?

By the way I don't wish this to happen - I've always bought direct from dealers & will carry on, I know that dealers wont always match that online price but the difference (after haggling a little ) really is peanuts when comparing the aftersales service you get - well most dealers anyway:cool:.

Trouble is & lets face it - t'internet is killing most retail shops on the high street because it's easier & more convenient especially when you know what you want - I guess the same is slowly happening to the Car market?

By the way I don't wish this to happen - I've always bought direct from dealers & will carry on, I know that dealers wont always match that online price but the difference (after haggling a little ) really is peanuts when comparing the aftersales service you get - well most dealers anyway:cool:.

your right it is killing retail, thats why i got out of it when i could. but i thought it would never get this bad in motor tradde as people need good service agents and its not like anyone sane would buy a car without test driving it. but its madness when you think about it. you can buy a tv cheap on the net cos its some guy in a storage warhouse with no over heads. but the brokers just pass you onto the dealer whos doing the lowest price. but what happens when everyones closed their doors as they cant make money from selling the cars anymore??

ive always said i enjoy a honest customer who wants to haggle. i normally go in and see the boss and say "this guys here to buy but haggle, whats the lowest we can go" so i can just sit there and negoiate on a deal which is good for both sides. this internet broker thing is just taking all the fun from buying a car imoa

also if i know a broker can get me so many hundreds off a new car, that means your nice well kept used car is also worth less by several hundreds too.

But will be the case whether you buy it through a dealer or a broker.

So you pay more for it new from a dealer, yet when you come to trade it in you still get less as the cars used value is worth less as they can be purchased new at a discount

Don't get me wrong i agree with you why in general brokers are not good, but your comment above is a load of tosh.

Maybe the dealers should start charging for advice and test drives, which would be refunded upon purchase of a vehicle????

this internet broker thing is just taking all the fun from buying a car imoa

I'd rather not have any fun when buying a car and have an extra £3k in my pocket. Thant's the difference between Broadspeed and direct from Skoda dealer for a 2.0 170bhp DSG Elegance with extras.

i think part of the problem is that some dealers will not play ball. i emailed several dealers direct to day to get a quote - i figured that is all broadspeed will do so wny not cut out the middle man. I had one dealer who said "the car was only launched 2 weeks ago so i am not prepared to sell for less than list". what a silly man. and you go on about dealers going out of business. with an attitude like this of course he will go out of business as he wont sell any cars. better to sell 5 cars at £1000 discount then sell no cars at all cos you stick to your guns.

the other guys wee more sensible and the best discount i was offered - with no haggling just a simple "what is the best price you can do please" was 6.7%. very fai i thought . problem is this is still £750 more than broadspeed.

i dont see how buying from broadspeed will put anyone out of business. the dealer who sells me the car will make some profit (even if it is volume related at the end of the quarter rather than clear profit on the sale). i wil then use my local dealer for aftersales / warranty work / servicing so he gets profit.

actually - thinking about it maybe i wont use my dealer for servicing as the rates they charge are probably going to be daylight robbery. no-one will ever justify why they charge £70-100 at a main dealer. i get a local specialist to do my VW and he charges £30 per hour and does a fanastic job. ....but that is a whole new thread !!!

The people on both sides of this argument will never agree...that's the only definite in this argument!

I've posted my views before and they match closely with jcblincs, in the past when I have bought a car from a broker I simply do not believe that the supplying dealer is not making a profit. I have always offered the local dealers the opportunity to match the broker price, but the offer was always thrown back in my face.

Luckily there are enough mugs out there willing to pay higher prices (and hence lose more in depreciation) without question to give nice big discounts to the likes of me. I'm back in a company car now so these matters no longer apply to me.

As for the looking after customers, that just doesn't wash. For example I would imagine that the bulk of Superbs and many Octavias are company vehicles. Most company drivers have no say in who is the supplying dealer for their car, do they get worse after service as the car was supplied from a dealer at the other end of the country? I would hope not. What if someone purchased a car at their local dealer and then moved to another part of the country? After service surely is paid for either from the customers pocket or reclaiming from Skoda for warranty work, why should anyone be treated any differently?

Dan

please do - what do you know that i dont ? (by the way i am probably not going to use them - the resident dealer on this forum is a much nicer chap !!)

I don't have a problem with brokers at all matey. What I do resent a bit is the attitude that we should pay over the odds at main dealers to keep them in business

But will be the case whether you buy it through a dealer or a broker.

So you pay more for it new from a dealer, yet when you come to trade it in you still get less as the cars used value is worth less as they can be purchased new at a discount

Don't get me wrong i agree with you why in general brokers are not good, but your comment above is a load of tosh.

Gizmo you have absolutely hit the nail on the head, depreciation will START from the lowest achievable purchase price...hence you get a double whammy when buying from a dealer.

Dan

The purchase price doesn't depict the trade value of a car, the market does.

If the entire market knows you could possibly get for example £2k off a new car then the used car market has to follow suit and drop accordingly otherwise we'd never sell used cars.

So if everyone bought a £22k new car for £20k how would we price a 6 month old demo? £18k? What about a year old car? £16k? Selling new cars very cheap does push down the residual values...

If there was more openess and transparency in car pricing from the manufacturers then there would potentially be less of a market for the online brokers. I have bought a car from drivethedeal.com before (a V5 Golf in 2001) and will do so again, if I am a cash buyer and it beats the dealer price by a significant margin. Afterall, its my money and I want to give as little of it away to a car dealer as possible!

Exactly, so the sensible thing to do is buy the car as cheap as possible, if you pay an extra £2k for the car from a dealer then that is an extra £2k that you will loose when you trade in.

Or is the dealer going to say "yes sir because you paid top book price for the car from us, instead of going to a broker and saving yourself £2k, of course i will give you the extra £2k back on top of the book price of your used car"

No? thought not.

The purchase price doesn't depict the trade value of a car, the market does.

If the entire market knows you could possibly get for example £2k off a new car then the used car market has to follow suit and drop accordingly otherwise we'd never sell used cars.

So if everyone bought a £22k new car for £20k how would we price a 6 month old demo? £18k? What about a year old car? £16k? Selling new cars very cheap does push down the residual values...

So you have just perfectly demonstrated why it is better to buy from a broker!

£18K sounds far too much for a 6 month old demo (ie a second hand car), wouldn't £14K be nearer the mark!

OK I am baiting just a little bit!

i thought it was funny when my local dealer said "we might not be able to compete with internet sellers on price but we are a local family firm and have been here over 50yrs and will look after you". so whats that mean then ? will they come round and wash the car every weekend ? will they do the shopping at tescos and pop round with it ? or perhaps they will send me a naf christmas card "from your friendly family firm". what i am saying is that once i have paid my cash and got my car what could they possible do for me that will be any different if i buy from the other end of the country and then use them for service. (maybe they will see me coming in for service and spit in my coffee ? or stick chewing gum on the car carpets ? LOL)