You'd be amazed how many motorists pull out on me when I'm riding my bright white road bike while wearing luminous / flouro cycle strip. I can see cyclists and pedestrians blending even more into the background, many motorists refusing to register you unless you've got several watts of LED shining forward.

I've got DRLs on my car by the way, I like the look of them from an aesthetic point of view, but I'm coming around to the negative aspects of a time when the majority of cars have them.

Agree 100% as a fellow cyclist. Whats happened to trying to encourage people out of their cars and onto public transport & busses & bikes?

Agree 100% as a fellow cyclist. Whats happened to trying to encourage people out of their cars and onto public transport & busses & bikes?

That's all well and good, but in some areas it just does not work.

For me to commute to work by bus/train, we're talking 10 minute walk to train station, 30 minutes train into capital, then probably 45-60 minutes getting two buses

So call it 2 hours, and many changeovers/hassle.

Or.. I can just get in the car and get to work in 40 minutes. No brainer.

Agree 100% as a fellow cyclist. Whats happened to trying to encourage people out of their cars and onto public transport & busses & bikes?

because that does not suit or work for most people. If I relied on public transport my working day would be alot longer and by the time I got back to the office (home) I'd then have hours of work to do. For me it does not work.

As for the post about DRL's the point for surely out weigh the against?

Ive found that pedestrians do not step out as much compaired to being in the fabia, you can actually see that something has caught their attention as they mindless stepped out.

The point is, these alone will not make the word a safer place but anything that helps is a good start, bring back the jaywalking laws (though its never gone just on inforced) fine people when they do it, teach drivers better road manners, how to think ahead and to actually pay more attention. Cyclists you will come off worse than a car so really ride better, alot of cyclists are good but some are not and seem to ride IMHO as if its the job of the car to keep them out of trouble, no its actually your own responsibitily too! I know the cyclists that are actually good, that do pay attention to the road and its laws it is very tough out there! I for one would not choose to cycle around London. But for every good car drive/cyclist/pedestrian there is alot more idiots that are not.

Just people need to learn common goddamn sense, look out for youself and others is not flipping rocket science!

I've driven on the motorway with my lights on for a number of years (if in outside or overtaking lanes) and it works as do the DRL's Ive found with DRL's or lights on it does cut the amount of people who: a) will pull out on you or stay in the incorrect lane for no reason.

I have recently seen a Chrysler 300 C "Dressed Up" to look like a Bentley !!!!!....sad or wot ?

Somewhat off topic I know; but just trying to lighten things up a little !!

My god I do so hate those cars! Every time I see one with that stupid bentley grille on I want to hit the driver LOL! There is one going round Newcastle, and no word of a lie, the guy has had the audacity to put a bentley badge on it! Not fooling anyone!

My god I do so hate those cars! Every time I see one with that stupid bentley grille on I want to hit the driver LOL! There is one going round Newcastle, and no word of a lie, the guy has had the audacity to put a bentley badge on it! Not fooling anyone!

Could it be the same one ??

"Mine" was in Wolvo, so maybe not !...perhaps it's the bling thing to do ?? :'(

switched mine off until winter as had so many people flashing and shouting at me you wou'nt believe it. now i can just blend in rather than stand out. daft i know.

Heck! Hadnt realised what appears to be the Mass negative effect of the DRL'S!

Just hope the people of Stoke are a little more forgiving!

Agree 100% as a fellow cyclist. Whats happened to trying to encourage people out of their cars and onto public transport & busses & bikes?

Also as a fellow cyclist, I take part in the lighting arms race and ride with LED's front and rear, even in daylight. They're not the cheapest lights out there, but they're cheaper than a new head/leg/alternative body part.

Could it be the same one ??

"Mine" was in Wolvo, so maybe not !...perhaps it's the bling thing to do ?? :'(

OMG you guys, are you not committing the same 'badge snobbery' sin that has bedevilled Skoda owners and enthusiasts for years? I quite like the look of the Chrysler and the optional grille is a big improvement over the standard version. But I could never afford it. But to those who can, £28k (the 3 litre diesel version) in one HELLUVA lot easier to justify than a Bentley in expenses.

I remember reading an article a year or two back that (Dragon's Den's) Deborah Meaden had, after test drive (or should I say being test driven) chosen this as her chauffeur driven car. In addition, the write-ups by the various mags are pretty positive in respect of quality and performance.

Come'on, what's the problem here?

i don't mind the 300c, i had a jeep SRT no less, but i think people generally object to the 'bentley' grills, i can understand that!

I like the look of the 300c but for someone to choose it after a test drive they need their head checked

It's really not well done inside and it's such a shame because just another £500 spent on the choice of interior materials on the assembly line would make this a cracking machine for the money. They're mercedes engines in them i think?

I like the look of the 300c but for someone to choose it after a test drive they need their head checked

It's really not well done inside and it's such a shame because just another £500 spent on the choice of interior materials on the assembly line would make this a cracking machine for the money. They're mercedes engines in them i think?

The diesel is a Merc engine, the petrol is all American V8... I'm pretty sure the chassis is based on the old E-Class too

OMG you guys, are you not committing the same 'badge snobbery' sin that has bedevilled Skoda owners and enthusiasts for years? I quite like the look of the Chrysler and the optional grille is a big improvement over the standard version. But I could never afford it. But to those who can, £28k (the 3 litre diesel version) in one HELLUVA lot easier to justify than a Bentley in expenses.

I remember reading an article a year or two back that (Dragon's Den's) Deborah Meaden had, after test drive (or should I say being test driven) chosen this as her chauffeur driven car. In addition, the write-ups by the various mags are pretty positive in respect of quality and performance.

Come'on, what's the problem here?

No of course I'm not a badge snob, but what I mean is be proud of the car you have bought! You wouldnt take your skoda badge off and replace it with an audi one lol! The guy or indeed girl who drove it had actually removed the chrysler badges and replaced them with bentley ones!

No of course I'm not a badge snob, but what I mean is be proud of the car you have bought! You wouldnt take your skoda badge off and replace it with an audi one lol! The guy or indeed girl who drove it had actually removed the chrysler badges and replaced them with bentley ones!

OK, you're not a badge snob but I think what you've described is simply the outer end of a tendency which is inherent in virtually all of us. A quick surf will show you that the majority of Chrysler 300 owners upgrade from the standard to the Bentley grille. I think going further by replacing the badge only seems strange because the Chrysler 300 is rare on the roads. I reckon that if a really common car, say a Ford Mondeo, fundamentally looked a bit like a Bentley and could be made to look very like one indeed with a few cheap and easily effected changes, then oodles of people would go as far as replacing the badges and you would see them everywhere and regard it as relatively normal. Certainly no more abnormal than the fact that 9 out of every 10 people that you meet walking down the street carrying a Louis Vuitton bag or wearing a Tag Heuer watch knows that their goods are fake.

A bigger issue for me is the fact that for £93k more than the low and mean looking Chrysler 300, the Bentley looks, how shall I put this, corpulent.

On this DRL melarkey, can anyone actually provide a link to robust research that demonstrates they make things LESS safe? It seems like a no-brainer to me, for despite all the subjective noise about them here and elsewhere, every study I've found so far on the www bar one shows that they improve safety. And the one exception (a US study), while identifying no statistically significant reduction in frequency and severity of accidents, certainly didn't find any evidence to suggest they increase accident frequency and severity.

The gauntlet's down. :p

At Le Mans last year I asked a chap why he had put Bentley badges on his 300c. He said because really the 300c was designed as a "baby Bentley" to which I told him it was designed by men who sleep with their sisters. Needless to say one of our group disappeared one night after a few to many 33's and came back with the badge. I was so disgusted that he had done this that I almost burnt his sausages the next morning .

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OMG you guys, are you not committing the same 'badge snobbery' sin that has bedevilled Skoda owners and enthusiasts for years? I quite like the look of the Chrysler and the optional grille is a big improvement over the standard version. But I could never afford it. But to those who can, £28k (the 3 litre diesel version) in one HELLUVA lot easier to justify than a Bentley in expenses.

I remember reading an article a year or two back that (Dragon's Den's) Deborah Meaden had, after test drive (or should I say being test driven) chosen this as her chauffeur driven car. In addition, the write-ups by the various mags are pretty positive in respect of quality and performance.

Come'on, what's the problem here?

...because it is a silly , juvenile, posey, look at me me me, ridiculous thing to do....just my humble opinion of course !

I think it's a lot more fun dressing a car down to make it look like nothing special at all then trying to dress it up as more than it really is. What I want is a car that puts a smile on my face but that nobody understands why until they get a drive in it...

I think it's a lot more fun dressing a car down to make it look like nothing special at all then trying to dress it up as more than it really is.

agree, E39 M5's badged 518i etc always makes me giggle..

agree, E39 M5's badged 518i etc always makes me giggle..

lol there's a guy nipping around Hamilton with 520d on the bootlid of his blue m5 or 540 not sure which but it's def not a 520d

I find my unfiltered 45's on my 309 tend to make pedestrians aware of my arrival :rofl:even with an ipod (or similar on)

I will have to add some DLR's soon to make it stand out a bit more:o

...because it is a silly , juvenile, posey, look at me me me, ridiculous thing to do....just my humble opinion of course !

Okay, I'm replying to you but don't take it personally because there's other posts along the same mocking vein.

Hand on heart time for all you mockers (no, this isn't rhyming slang).

Did none of you, I repeat, NONE OF YOU, ever add wheelarch extensions to 'XR-ise' your Mk1 Fiesta or, to bring things more up to date, ask the garage to remove the '1.6' badge from your Ford Mondeo?

It's no different than sticking a Bentley badge on your Chrysler 300.

So you'll be getting a vRS badge for your 1.4 will you?

Okay, I'm replying to you but don't take it personally because there's other posts along the same mocking vein.

Hand on heart time for all you mockers (no, this isn't rhyming slang).

Did none of you, I repeat, NONE OF YOU, ever add wheelarch extensions to 'XR-ise' your Mk1 Fiesta or, to bring things more up to date, ask the garage to remove the '1.6' badge from your Ford Mondeo?

It's no different than sticking a Bentley badge on your Chrysler 300.

Bring things more up to date?!? What are you on about, this is a different brand to start with! An XR2i didn't cost £100k like these losers are trying to create with their £35k car (mostly diesels). It is like buying an MR2 / Ferrari 355 clone car IMHO, if you can't afford it then don't mock it.

If they are happy with it then fine, but it doesn't stop real car people seeing that person as a complete ****. The chap I was speaking to in Le Mans was convinced that it was his right to re badge his 300c as a 'Baby Bentley', the problem was everyone else in the field and I mean everyone who saw it looked at it in utter distain

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So you'll be getting a vRS badge for your 1.4 will you?

Nope, but I am considering a rear spoiler!

Bring things more up to date?!? What are you on about, this is a different brand to start with! An XR2i didn't cost £100k like these losers are trying to create with their £35k car (mostly diesels). It is like buying an MR2 / Ferrari 355 clone car IMHO, if you can't afford it then don't mock it.

If they are happy with it then fine, but it doesn't stop real car people seeing that person as a complete ****. The chap I was speaking to in Le Mans was convinced that it was his right to re badge his 300c as a 'Baby Bentley', the problem was everyone else in the field and I mean everyone who saw it looked at it in utter distain

To me the amount of money doesn't matter, the principle is the same. In the 1980s if you added wheel arch extensions, alloys and decals to your basic Ford Fiesta, you were representing a car only a few thousand pounds more. The bottom line is that something is equally unaffordable if you can't afford it, no matter what the price. To address our aspirations many of us resort to pretence. And yes, leave ourselves open to judgement. If I could afford a 300c, my taste would run to the Bentley grille but not to the Bentley badges. However, I don't really see much difference between those two. Nor between the Bentley badges and the legions of us with fake Gucci, Rolex, etc.

BTW, following up a previous post, is no-one able to find robust evidence that DRLs make the roads LESS safe ???

To me the amount of money doesn't matter, the principle is the same. In the 1980s if you added wheel arch extensions, alloys and decals to your basic Ford Fiesta, you were representing a car only a few thousand pounds more. The bottom line is that something is equally unaffordable if you can't afford it, no matter what the price. To address our aspirations many of us resort to pretence. And yes, leave ourselves open to judgement. If I could afford a 300c, my taste would run to the Bentley grille but not to the Bentley badges. However, I don't really see much difference between those two. Nor between the Bentley badges and the legions of us with fake Gucci, Rolex, etc.

BTW, following up a previous post, is no-one able to find robust evidence that DRLs make the roads LESS safe ???

Other than the eye following an LED light on the other side of the road and being slightly offput I can't see a reason why they would cause more harm than good. But then that what they are designed to be I guess. Designed to be seen without distraction. (Other than the 300c Bentley drivers who fit them below their Bentley badges, and then it is perfectly excusable to load both barrels of the Winchester )