I've just looked at that tariffs page and have pretty much decided i will not be upgrading to iphone 4... I don't normally push the 500Mb limit each month at the moment (average around 300MB), but have gone way over that before) but the killer is I will have to go to £40 a month for the minutes (I do use most of the 600 minutes that currently costs me £35 a month)

I would prefer with O2 as my daughter can text and call me for free if I stay with O2 but it's looking more and more like an HTC Desire and a simplicity tariff for me...

I've just looked at that tariffs page and have pretty much decided i will not be upgrading to iphone 4... I don't normally push the 500Mb limit each month at the moment (average around 300MB), but have gone way over that before) but the killer is I will have to go to £40 a month for the minutes (I do use most of the 600 minutes that currently costs me £35 a month)

I would prefer with O2 as my daughter can text and call me for free if I stay with O2 but it's looking more and more like an HTC Desire and a simplicity tariff for me...

What would you be saving though? The new iPhone tarif is no longer an iPhonje tarif it's the new o2 Smartphone tarif so whether you got an iPhone or HTC on the simplicity smartphone tarif it'd be the same minutes, text, data etc....

Then again you wouldn't be paying the big money for the phone so i guess you would save etc....

Cheers

Dave.

.........................Actually, I think they've even upped the current 18 month tariff I'm on of 600mins from £35 to £40 a month. Bunch of bandits!!

Can i just point out that the iPhone minutes & texts amount per month was changed a few months ago..... Either March or April or maybe even earlier. The only thing that has changed with the NEW tariffs is the new limited data allowance. I know this cos the mrs was looking at upgrading at that time and when we looked at the tariffs then we noticed they had changed from mine.

Cheers

Dave.

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What would you be saving though? The new iPhone tarif is no longer an iPhonje tarif it's the new o2 Smartphone tarif so whether you got an iPhone or HTC on the simplicity smartphone tarif it'd be the same minutes, text, data etc....

Then again you wouldn't be paying the big money for the phone so i guess you would save etc....

Cheers

Dave.

Simplicity tariff for 600 minutes and the "unlimited" (500MB) data will be £25 a month instead of £40 (£20 a month if I commit to 12 months rather than 30 days), let's assume the HTC Desire is £400 SIM free, so over 18 months will cost £850 (or £760 if I commit to 12 months minimum)

An 18 month contract at £40 a month is £720, so unless the iphone4 costs less than £130 (or £40 based on the savings of the 12 month minimum simplicity tariff) I'm better off getting the Desire

Even if I decide to avoid the lump sum payment and lock myself into O2 for another 18 months and I go for the £40 a month tariff, then the Desire is no extra charge so will cost me £720 over 18 months, and I don't believe for even a millisecond that the base iphone4 will be "free" on a £40 a month contract

I like the iphone, but not that much. Unless O2 are practically giving the new iPhone away, then Android is my future phone OS...

Simplicity tariff for 600 minutes and the "unlimited" (500MB) data will be £25 a month instead of £40 (£20 a month if I commit to 12 months rather than 30 days), let's assume the HTC Desire is £400 SIM free, so over 18 months will cost £850 (or £760 if I commit to 12 months minimum)

An 18 month contract at £40 a month is £720, so unless the iphone4 costs less than £130 (or £40 based on the savings of the 12 month minimum simplicity tariff) I'm better off getting the Desire

Even if I decide to avoid the lump sum payment and lock myself into O2 for another 18 months and I go for the £40 a month tariff, then the Desire is no extra charge so will cost me £720 over 18 months, and I don't believe for even a millisecond that the base iphone4 will be "free" on a £40 a month contract

I like the iphone, but not that much. Unless O2 are practically giving the new iPhone away, then Android is my future phone OS...

Ahhh i see what you mean.

Cheers

Dave.

Save some big money and just get the simplicity on 30 days and run your current pie phone for a while until you find a great deal.

Really not happy about this. Talk about being shafted! Not sure what I'll do now...

I don't like the look of that - we've got an iPhone bolt on with our work phones that used to be unlimited data - now it seems to be 1gb....

You cant break your current contract for the price they are offering unless you are going to take out a NEW 18/24 month contract with the iPhone 4

I really don't see why people are getting so hung up on this. Like i said unless you are a facebook/youtube/CatchUp TV whore then you should be ok with 500mb per month

If you are going to be downloading a lot then use wifi as that is unlimited and there are plenty of free wifi places around (McDonalds, Starbucks, Some Skoda dealers etc) most places of work have it these days as well.

Don't forget you don't have to go on to new contract. You can just continue on your current contract and it will remain unlimited cellular data until the contract is up. You just have to stick with your 3G/GS

Plus... lets be honest, theres much more chance of using up the data on a proper smartphone... remember the piephone wont let you download anything over 20meg from the app store, iplayer wont work over 3g etc.

I managed to rack up 350mb from my desire, and that included *shock horror* downloading things!

Plus o2 have upgraded their network in manchester now... its very very fast... get a strong 5-6meg!

It wont let you download anything over 10mb on cellular data.

iPlayer doesn't work but TV Catchup does

It wont let you download anything over 10mb on cellular data.

iPlayer doesn't work but TV Catchup does

The 10MB limit was upped to 20MB in February this year

Or, if the phone is jailbroken you can install VoIPOver3G which fools the phone into thinking it's on a wireless network and allows for larger downloads from the app store. Still won't make iPlayer work if you're on O2 as the BBC only allow 3 and vodafone (I think) to access iPlayer over 3G

To be honest since the release of the iPhone 4 I'm having to question if I actually want to keep my iPhone. I've just paid £20k for a new car with built in bluetooth that it won't work with, I run the constant risk of it getting damaged at work or the liquid immersion sensors being triggered using it in an area of high humidity or if its exposed to any traces of sweat.

The thing that gets me though is the convenience. My iPhone is my iPod, its syncs my contacts, address book and more importantly calendar wirelessly with my iMac and macbook and now I've installed TomTom with HD traffic its my satnav that would cost in excess of £150 quid to replace. My only options with the calendar syncing (which is very important as a police officer as my duties change almost daily and I need to keep updating my diary) would be to implement an exchange mail server, which would cost a fortune to run.

Unfortuately once you get hooked, thats kind of it with the iPhone. Still, there is one thing I can do and that is get shot of o2 and go back to vodafone

To be honest since the release of the iPhone 4 I'm having to question if I actually want to keep my iPhone. I've just paid £20k for a new car with built in bluetooth that it won't work with, I run the constant risk of it getting damaged at work or the liquid immersion sensors being triggered using it in an area of high humidity or if its exposed to any traces of sweat.

The thing that gets me though is the convenience. My iPhone is my iPod, its syncs my contacts, address book and more importantly calendar wirelessly with my iMac and macbook and now I've installed TomTom with HD traffic its my satnav that would cost in excess of £150 quid to replace. My only options with the calendar syncing (which is very important as a police officer as my duties change almost daily and I need to keep updating my diary) would be to implement an exchange mail server, which would cost a fortune to run.

Unfortuately once you get hooked, thats kind of it with the iPhone. Still, there is one thing I can do and that is get shot of o2 and go back to vodafone

You can do everything you want to do through google app's

On my HTC desire, I sync my mail with Gmail, have my domain running through Google, Sync contacts / mail / calendar over the air with all of my machines (Windows / MBP/iMac/HTC)

I get my podcasts over the air with auto sync using google listen, and sync my itunes library with the HTC using doubletwist (which is free)

Everything I could do with my iPhone, I can do with my HTC and then some.

or the liquid immersion sensors being triggered using it in an area of high humidity or if its exposed to any traces of sweat.

I use mine for hours on end in a hot bath, reading or browsing the net (the kind of hot that leaves the tiles dripping afterward) and it's not triggered any of the immersion sensors. You should be totally fine at work.

I use mine for hours on end in a hot bath, reading or browsing the net (the kind of hot that leaves the tiles dripping afterward) and it's not triggered any of the immersion sensors. You should be totally fine at work.

its already happened to me on one iPhone, I fear it may happen on any other I own. Its something that sounds very silly and pedantic, but when apple void the warranty and leave you exposed to a £450 replacement fee it does make you a bit paranoid. (luckily mine was insured and I ended up getting a 32gb 3gs out of it)

its already happened to me on one iPhone, I fear it may happen on any other I own. Its something that sounds very silly and pedantic, but when apple void the warranty and leave you exposed to a £450 replacement fee it does make you a bit paranoid. (luckily mine was insured and I ended up getting a 32gb 3gs out of it)

Apple only void the warranty if the internal sensors are triggered not the two you can see on the top / bottom of the phone. This is what they said themselves on the Watchdog show last week.

If a store voided your warranty over the two external one's i'd be taking it further as per Apple's own comments on watchdog.

Cheers

Dave.

I washed my last Nokia, full 40degree non-bio cycle.

Still works today.

My son chundered over my HTC legend on the second day I owned it, actually he chundered down my front, filling the pocket containing my Legend. Aside from some rainbow yawn needing to be recovered from the 3.5mm socket it too works just dandy.

Does anyone know if Iphone 4 is going to be UMA? Just changed to Orange BB at home and the router they are sending me has UMA. Might be handy as all the network providers have poor signal at home.

Thanks

Tom

Seems quite cheap on contract: http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/tariffs.html

I see mention of GPS and turn by turn navigation - the 3GS GPS was practically non existent and could only get you to within 50m accuracy if you ran X-GPS from the App store to see such info. That could mean you're on this road, or the road running alongside it, or a nearby field. Great. To get proper turn by turn navigation working you needed the TomTom cradle which was a bonkers £90+ and was the flimsiest thing I've had in ages. And then it still freaked out sometimes. That's a common and well documented flaw which I doubt they'll fix in Iphone 4 with a bigger sensor as it'll mean you don't need the TomTom device any more, and I'm betting the 2 companies have an "arrangement" going on there. See you on the golf course......

Video calling over wifi only.....is that due to the typical iPhone signal being so iffy and 3G so intermittent that it's not feasible any other way? I was amazed how easily I would lose signal. Hardly a business phone when you're on the train and you can't take/ make a single call without it dropping out and everyone around you with their RIM toting Blackberries and 10 year old Nokia's are all calling fine. Also, how out of date a feature? No-one used it befor and no-one will use it now other than the fact that they'll all have iPhone 4's and just to prove that they can. Again a fad that will pass really quckly.

I'll apply iOS4 to my 3GS out of curiosity but it'll still remain as a glorified iPod touch and just be used for music and a bit of web browsing and playing Angry Birds. My Desire will still be my main day to day phone as it mops the floor with the iPhone in terms of functionality, if not usability and simplicity. But at least I know if I get slightly sweaty my HTC won't suffer red tab syndrome. Owned one, realised how overpriced and over hyped they are, moved on to Android.

iPhone 4 doesn't bring anything new to the table like the original iPhone did with apps, multitouch and a slick interface etc. People could overlook the limited functionality etc purely for those reasons but others have caught up and overtaken them now and with the rampant pace that Google have with Android putting out release after release Apple are in danger of being left well behind in the same way as Nokia have, still insisting on using clunky old Symbian. All it would take is the fashion accessory side to be lost too and they'll be knackered which isn't beyond the realms of possibility. I'm sure I read somewhere that Android phone sales have overtaken sales of the iPhone?

I have no problem with Co-Pilot on my 3GS

I never did on the 3g i had either.

Each to there own though

I have no problem with Co-Pilot on my 3GS

I never did on the 3g i had either.

Each to there own though

Not everyone does, but most do. Spent lots of time on the Apple forums and loooooads of people moan about how the iPhone keeps losing GPS signal or puts them in a field or something. All the guys here at work also can not use GPS properly either and they're all on 3GS's.

Speaking to people with a 3G though it appears the problem started with the release of OS3 and the whole turn by turn thing. Before then GPS was flawless, albeit limited to Google Maps only.

Here displays it quite nicely:

Tomtom on my 3gs would send you back to the home screen whenever a text message or call came in which was a bit frustrating

Anyone getting it on launch date then? i`m counting the days down now. At the same time i`v moving to Three. I`v been with o2 for years, but its getting a bit of a joke now. Twice in the past week or so, i had no internet at all, from the afternoon to the next morning, and when i do, its rubbish. My mate done a bit of a trial on his phones, and everywhere we tried, three was faster, sometimes 4x as much!

So roll on thursday, new phone and new network!!

I should be getting mine on Thursday as well. Staying with O2 though as i haven't had a problem with them in the past 2 years.

I also just got this in the Post B)