1.8TSI and 2.0TSI engine failures

[MadHATR]

Not really. Mine was past 60k when I sold it. Never bothered me as it affects a small minority of cars. Very unlucky if it happens to you but the way people speak on here seems to suggest it will happen by a certain mileage. ....not the case!

 

I would like to see how accurate your assumption of "small minority of cars" actually is. Do we actually know how many Skoda Octavia vRS cars were sold with the CCZA engine in the UK?

 

I've had mine for about six months now, and in that time I have seen at most, ten other face lifted cars so based on my limited experience and the numbers of failures on here, maybe the minority is the cars that don't fail !

 

EDIT : - I've had a look on "https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk" but the data is all over the shop, I can identify pre facelift cars and the new model in 2013, but finding facelift car isn't easy and the what numbers there are are quite low.

 

Just a guess on my part, but it wouldn't surprise me to see that cars that have a tensioner failure are probably cars doing short runs to work and back, so although low miles per year the oil quality is poor and just causes an already poor tensioner design to fail, the cars like neil-f's probably got hot when driven and changed the oil more often simply because it did more miles.

 

Without accurate numbers, everything is opinion.

Edited 4 December, 2014 by MadHATR

[Norco]

I made it circa 18.2k petrol and diesel vRS in 2009 - 2011. with a 55/45 (ish) split in favour of diesel. That would be about 8190 petrol cars in the 3 years that seem most effected. This of course ignores all 1.8 tsi, RS and tsi engines in scouts (if there are any).

 

Forgetting that those exist for this rough and ready example and working on the basis that lets say 2/3 or 66% are reported here (its a big failure and judging by the yougov profile for a Skoda driver we are the kind that like to share!)

 

There are 41 reports on the first page so call that 62 failures - That makes the failure rate 0.76% - way below what would be required to trigger a recall. 

 

If we remove the 7 1.8tsi engines then the failure rate falls to 0.6% I am not sure how reliable the maths are with such small percentages but that kids, is the math. 

 

I am sure non of this comes as any comfort to those that have had a failure (I know I would still be royally hacked off) but hopefully it helps put it in perspective for those 1.8/2.0 ltr owners out there.

[MadHATR]

Please find attached a screen grab from how many left that I have tried to analyse.

 

Remember that these are 'licensed' vehicles per year not new reg, so if each column says 1000 for four years, it means for each of the four years then the same 1000 cars were on the road for four years, not 4000 cars.

 

They guy that has set the site up does make reference to dodgy government number counting and other data errors, so gospel this isn't.

 

I have just rung Skoda and asked them how many cars they built, but they cannot tell me as it is "internal information".

 

From the screen grab I think the only defendable estimate for total vRs Mark 2 facelift volume is 933 (142+298+483) - even they then disappear !

 

Using the failures we know about that gives a 4% failure rate. 

 

I've asked a mate at a VW dealer if he can find out how many Skoda made, which might more accurate.

 

I can't get it to view - here's the link

 

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Edited 4 December, 2014 by MadHATR

[Norco]

Im not sure you are reading the figures right.

 

If what you say is true then in 2010-2011 they registered 400+ pre FL cars.

 

Also in 2012 - 2013 they registered 4 then a further 12 the following year. 

 

As there are 2350 skoda dealers registered to sell cars on autotrader, using your figure of 933 that would work out at a total of 0.4 cars per dealership over the life of the FL vRS. Now I dont have a degree in business (Actually I do, Business Marketing) but that doesn't sound like the success that it has been called by Autotrader et al.

 

I of course kid but I think your figures might be a mile or 2 wide.

[Wardy-]

When mine went a few weeks ago, I just assumed I was very unlucky, but we're seeing a new one go nearly every week now!

 

Just ridiculous and SURELY they have enough to get a recall going! Clearly the early timing belts are just not good enough

[DGW]

I think you mean timing chain tensioner not belt.

[MadHATR]

Im not sure you are reading the figures right.

 

If what you say is true then in 2010-2011 they registered 400+ pre FL cars.

 

Also in 2012 - 2013 they registered 4 then a further 12 the following year. 

 

As there are 2350 skoda dealers registered to sell cars on autotrader, using your figure of 933 that would work out at a total of 0.4 cars per dealership over the life of the FL vRS. Now I dont have a degree in business (Actually I do, Business Marketing) but that doesn't sound like the success that it has been called by Autotrader et al.

 

I of course kid but I think your figures might be a mile or 2 wide.

 

I'm not going to argue as I don't think they sold 933 either, I'm just trying to get a handle on the percentage that fail.

 

All the reviews I read before buying indicated it was a good car, but none claimed it was a sales success, so I really don't know.

[neil_f]

I would like to see how accurate your assumption of "small minority of cars" actually is. Do we actually know how many Skoda Octavia vRS cars were sold with the CCZA engine in the UK?

I've had mine for about six months now, and in that time I have seen at most, ten other face lifted cars so based on my limited experience and the numbers of failures on here, maybe the minority is the cars that don't fail !

EDIT : - I've had a look on "https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk" but the data is all over the shop, I can identify pre facelift cars and the new model in 2013, but finding facelift car isn't easy and the what numbers there are are quite low.

Just a guess on my part, but it wouldn't surprise me to see that cars that have a tensioner failure are probably cars doing short runs to work and back, so although low miles per year the oil quality is poor and just causes an already poor tensioner design to fail, the cars like neil-f's probably got hot when driven and changed the oil more often simply because it did more miles.

Without accurate numbers, everything is opinion.

The point I'm making is this engine is used throughout the vag group. So you can't just compare failure on octavias. Factor the number of vw's, audi and seats that use the same engine - both 2.0 and 1.8tsi and then work out the failure rate. My mate is a audi tech and when I asked him about this a year ago he knew of two cars they had in with this failure (the dealership he works in is one of the largest in Scotland and he was a vw tech before that). I'm not denying that if it happened to me I would be highly ****ed off but just trying to put it into context of the amount of these engines in production. Certainly wouldn't out me off buying one again.

[stace]

Aaaaaaaand, another one.

[DGW]

More information, please. :(

[bwulfsport]

Just heard back from Skoda today and they have offered to pay 100% of the cost of the new engine and 30% of labour leaving me with £940.80 to pay which I think is very reasonable of them. Has anybody else who has had the engine replaced had any trouble with the car after? I am thinking is it time to trade it in also will the new engine they fit be liable to have the same fault or have they sorted it now. It has made me a bit paranoid now lol.  

[Auric Goldfinger]

Just heard back from Skoda today and they have offered to pay 100% of the cost of the new engine and 30% of labour leaving me with £940.80 to pay which I think is very reasonable of them. Has anybody else who has had the engine replaced had any trouble with the car after? I am thinking is it time to trade it in also will the new engine they fit be liable to have the same fault or have they sorted it now. It has made me a bit paranoid now lol.  

 

Result, well done Sir. One thing I would do is find out what warranty the Engine has. All parts fitted, for which you make a contribution to the cost, if only a pound are covered for 2 years Parts and labour. You haven't actually made a contribution to the Engine, only the labour so is the engine covered for 2 years ?

 

Worth asking and getting it in writing

 

Just a thought.................. Pay a pound towards the engine and get an invoice stating you have made a contribution to the engine

[DGW]

That is a good result.

[Aspman]

70% of the of labour = £940

 

So full price was £1343.

 

I thought it was quite easy to swap a whole engine. £1300 just for labour sounds a lot.

Edited 5 December, 2014 by Aspman

[Greybeard]

I guess £1300 is about 2 days (16.25hrs) labour @ £80/hr main dealer rates. 2 days to swap engines even with all the gear at their disposal is probably about right.......? They'll reuse the ancilliaries I'm sure so that will take time to switch from one to the other.

[Louise27]

Was your car still under warranty since they have offered you a repair so quickly? I am still waiting for any movement with Skoda UK. It's 3 weeks today's since my car broke down.

[bwulfsport]

No the warranty was out 10 months ago on mine I was quite persistent in chasing them though. They have also provided me with a courtesy car free of charge until my car is fixed.

[stace]

My car broke down wednesday. Cold start. Funny noise. No compression. Towed in yesterday. 

 

Usual "can you authorise three hours labour for diagnosis despite us already knowing what's happened" question.

 

Will chase is next week.

[stace]

It's done 50k with full on the dot history and bought from new from the dealer we serviced it at.

[DGW]

You should stand a good chance of getting a substantial goodwill contribution from Skoda UK having bought the car new from a Skoda dealer and having shown loyalty to the dealer network. You also have protection under the SOGA having bought new. Could you please check that the details I have added about your car in my first post are correct and let me know the date of purchase.

[stace]

Looks good. Car is a 10 plate. 

 

I also bought a citigo new from the same dealer for our office runabout car. I'm due some love back I reckon 

Will keep you posted with progress

[peterposh]

Sounds like the engine is a lemon, even with new or replacement engine I'd still be in fear of it packing up again

[Louise27]

Bwulfsport am pleased to hear that you have managed to get a result with them so quickly. It frustrates me that I am having to fight so hard to try and get any help from them. Have you any advice that you could give me to get skoda to cough up?

[Norco]

Sounds like the engine is a lemon, even with new or replacement engine I'd still be in fear of it packing up again

 

The engine hasn't got anything to do with this, a toasted engine is the result of a tensioner failure. The tensioner is the lemon.

Also there hasn't been a failure on a car with the new tensioner.

[JB-)]

Also there hasn't been a failure on a car with the new tensioner.

We don't know that. And not as many will have reached the mileage yet either.