@ pipsyp

You suggest that removal of the tuning box, should there be a fault develop with the car, would mean you could 'get away' with not disclosing you had done anything to the car?

That's OK if the dealer doesn't ask the question, but if they did you would blatantly lie and say "no, not me guv"

Does that not put you in the same bracket as Chris Huhne and his ex-wife?

Just playing Devil's Advocate of course

@ pipsyp

You suggest that removal of the tuning box, should there be a fault develop with the car, would mean you could 'get away' with not disclosing you had done anything to the car?

That's OK if the dealer doesn't ask the question, but if they did you would blatantly lie and say "no, not me guv"

Does that not put you in the same bracket as Chris Huhne and his ex-wife?

Just playing Devil's Advocate of course

Haha of course Brimma, I've yet to try to stick points on my wifes licence as it goes.....actually im such a good lad I dont have any ;-)

Im just trying to make a point with the above thats all; but put it this way I dont think many people with a tuning box would offer up having ther warranty voided by admitting theyve been using one; whereas with a remap you really wouldnt have a leg to stand on.

I actually personally dont know if anyone who has been accused of breaking their car by using a tuning box by a main dealer; whereas I have heard of a few cases of people having remaps and them being detected. If im wrong I'll accept that but I dont think I am.

I should also mention that we do offer our CRD2+ single channel (connects to the common rail only)system for the 2.0 TDI too.

http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-skoda_octavia_iii-2.0-tdi-150-ps-cr

this system is simpler to install, as it only connects to the 1 sensor.

I ran a DTUK tuning box (the better version) on my CR170 Yeti from 4000 miles, it was good.

The increase in performance was noticable, particularly the slug of torque.

For ease of use and the ability to remove it or swap between cars I thought it was a good product.

After having it on for 6000 miles I tried a remap from Jabbasport, it was smoother and quicker with less of the wham factor as the turbo came in, so actually felt a bit slower. Even though it wasn't (Vbox tested).

As I'm keeping the car the remap is my weapon of choice, but for those keeping the cars for a shorter time the tuning box does make it noticably more sprightly.

I'd certainly buy one again if it fitted in with my ownership plans for a vehicle.

I am not a warranty worrier though.

Bit annoying I broke a sensor retaining clip getting it off and still have it as I couldn't even get £50 for it on ebay though!

The point im trying to make is that 1. That would be extremely unlikely and 2. Other than turning round and saying the car was requesting too much fuel pressure or boost (bearing in mind a tuning box wont push these figures miles out of normal tolerances and the idea is that it does its work without faults being logged in the ECU in the first place) how can they physically prove youve had a tuning box on there if its been completely removed.

If you only run fuel and boost at factory tolerances. You'll only get factory amounts of power and torque.

The only ways to improve power/torque is through more fuel and the only way to safely deliver more fuel is with more boost. It is important that the buyers of any tuning product recognize this and the warranty implications.

Any engine/drivetrain modifications will have warranty implications. The owner must weigh up the risk/benefits for their own personal case.

Edited 2 June, 201313 yr by Kiwibacon

Well id put money on it that Skoda have probably sold a few cars through their warranted used programme that have had tuning boxes on them....and would bet the dealerships were none the wiser.

The point is here IMO no one have given a plasible undisutable way that a dealer could prove that one has been in use as the physical evidence (boost and fuel logs aside) just would not be there.

Dont get me wrong I agree doing this technically invalidates the warranty but how a dealer would ever truely suspect, pick up on the fact and prove it is beyond me.

Well id put money on it that Skoda have probably sold a few cars through their warranted used programme that have had tuning boxes on them....and would bet the dealerships were none the wiser.

The point is here IMO no one have given a plasible undisutable way that a dealer could prove that one has been in use as the physical evidence (boost and fuel logs aside) just would not be there.

Dont get me wrong I agree doing this technically invalidates the warranty but how a dealer would ever truely suspect, pick up on the fact and prove it is beyond me.

I think the only way is if it pushed the boost and fuelling out of tolerance and brought the engine light on. Then a fault code would be logged. As the power increase is less than 20% on the CR150 it could be argued that it is operating right at the upper limit of the tolerance and thus would leave no footprint in the error message log

I think the only way is if it pushed the boost and fuelling out of tolerance and brought the engine light on. Then a fault code would be logged. As the power increase is less than 20% on the CR150 it could be argued that it is operating right at the upper limit of the tolerance and thus would leave no footprint in the error message log

I doubt very much if the tolerance is as high as 20% somehow...

Its not and it'll be logging all the increased boost readings from the previous 40 or so drive cycles, not just what the car done on the way to the dealers!

The crdt is now available for the 1.6 TDI found in Octavia 3, details to follow

Its not and it'll be logging all the increased boost readings from the previous 40 or so drive cycles, not just what the car done on the way to the dealers!

I've just removed a reputable competing Tuning box (nearly gave the game away there...) from a car due for a service within the next few weeks and checked for fault codes with VCDS - none! What a difference reverting to standard though. Makes me realise how good these can be, and this is the 4th vehicle I've used this box on, programming the parameters myself with the manufacturer's software to a more bespoke solution than their default settings.

I am pleased that Andrew is championing a reputable product although I've not yet tried one of his. And I'm also more than pleased that its providing great debate as well as publicising that there are reputable products out there that offer an alternative to the reputable remap. There are also less reputable offerings in both camps, and I think this has been seized on by some supporters of remaps who are polarized in a similar way to the "Apple v Android" camps.

For what its worth, I think that Shark was cited earlier merely as an example of a remapper and not specifically at Ben's premium solution. Maybe should have said “Shark etc.".

Oh, and by the way, I still have a box for the 170 PD engine if anyone is tempted...

Its not and it'll be logging all the increased boost readings from the previous 40 or so drive cycles, not just what the car done on the way to the dealers!

I've just removed a reputable competing Tuning box (nearly gave the game away there...) from a car due for a service within the next few weeks and checked for fault codes with VCDS - none! What a difference reverting to standard though. Makes me realise how good these can be, and this is the 4th vehicle I've used this box on, programming the parameters myself with the manufacturer's software to a more bespoke solution than their default settings.

I am pleased that Andrew is championing a reputable product although I've not yet tried one of his. And I'm also more than pleased that its providing great debate as well as publicising that there are reputable products out there that offer an alternative to the reputable remap. There are also less reputable offerings in both camps, and I think this has been seized on by some supporters of remaps who are polarized in a similar way to the "Apple v Android" camps.

For what its worth, I think that Shark was cited earlier merely as an example of a remapper and not specifically at Ben's premium solution. Maybe should have said “Shark etc.".

Oh, and by the way I have no affiliation with any tuning company other than as a user, and I still have a box for the 170 PD(+DPF) engine if anyone is tempted...

For what its worth, I think that Shark was cited earlier merely as an example of a remapper and not specifically at Ben's premium solution. Maybe should have said “Shark etc.".

No. I'd cite Shark Performance specifically as I dont consider them to be comparable to other remap solutions. And Ive had quite a few....

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No. I'd cite Shark Performance specifically as I dont consider them to be comparable to other remap solutions. And Ive had quite a few....

My mistake. I had interpreted it along the lines of "if you're going to take a pop at X, Y and Z's solutions then we'll be debating this 'til the cows come home".

Just noticed how many "reputable"s I used previously. Perhaps I was inspired by DTUK's "as such" count. :-)