Thank you T!

Best

The CRDT is also available for the 150 TDI too

http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-skoda_octavia_iii-2.0-tdi-150-ps-cr-stage-2-(crd-t)

Edited 12 January, 201412 yr by Andrew@DTUK

Keeping a keen eye on this thread pending the arrival of my TDi vRS.

I'm sold on the idea of the box, but not sure if I want to fit one straight away. I may wait a while for the 'new car' honeymoon period ends and I want to spice it up a little further down the line.

I would like to thank Andrew and others for keeping this thread on track and providing a wealth of wisdom and feedback on this product.

Keep it up.

Keeping a keen eye on this thread pending the arrival of my TDi vRS.

I'm sold on the idea of the box, but not sure if I want to fit one straight away. I may wait a while for the 'new car' honeymoon period ends and I want to spice it up a little further down the line.

I would like to thank Andrew and others for keeping this thread on track and providing a wealth of wisdom and feedback on this product.

Keep it up.

It certainly has been a journey to remember

My advice is to get used to the car first and add 1000 miles on the clock before doing anything

Edited 13 January, 201412 yr by Andrew@DTUK

Just purely to close out the "why don't VAG do a Mountune?" The answer is pretty simple. They do. Everywhere else in Europe every VAG dealer will sell you an Abt upgrade - either a remap or a tuning box. Completely warranty compatible. VAG UK (for whatever reason) don't offer it, but it does exist everywhere else in Europe.

MTM also has a deal with Audi in Germany to sell warranty compatible remaps.

In reality what happens is that the price of the remap or tuning box covers an additional warranty in addition to the manufacturer warranty and the dealer who sold the tuning parts allocates any costs of repairs to the manufacturer or tuner depending on what has gone wrong.

This is basically how the tuner's product liability insurance should work in the UK. The dealer says "no" and the tuner should step up and cover the costs of repairs.

Just purely to close out the "why don't VAG do a Mountune?" The answer is pretty simple. They do. Everywhere else in Europe every VAG dealer will sell you an Abt upgrade - either a remap or a tuning box. Completely warranty compatible. VAG UK (for whatever reason) don't offer it, but it does exist everywhere else in Europe.

MTM also has a deal with Audi in Germany to sell warranty compatible remaps.

In reality what happens is that the price of the remap or tuning box covers an additional warranty in addition to the manufacturer warranty and the dealer who sold the tuning parts allocates any costs of repairs to the manufacturer or tuner depending on what has gone wrong.

This is basically how the tuner's product liability insurance should work in the UK. The dealer says "no" and the tuner should step up and cover the costs of repairs.

Very interesting-Thanks.

Is the warranty valid Europe wide? So, if something is manufacturer approved in Germany then legally it should be fine here?

Just purely to close out the "why don't VAG do a Mountune?" The answer is pretty simple. They do. Everywhere else in Europe every VAG dealer will sell you an Abt upgrade - either a remap or a tuning box. Completely warranty compatible. VAG UK (for whatever reason) don't offer it, but it does exist everywhere else in Europe.

MTM also has a deal with Audi in Germany to sell warranty compatible remaps.

In reality what happens is that the price of the remap or tuning box covers an additional warranty in addition to the manufacturer warranty and the dealer who sold the tuning parts allocates any costs of repairs to the manufacturer or tuner depending on what has gone wrong.

This is basically how the tuner's product liability insurance should work in the UK. The dealer says "no" and the tuner should step up and cover the costs of repairs.

That's not true. UK is not the only market in Europe where vag is not linked to a tuner

Edited 14 January, 201412 yr by snowfree52

Is the warranty valid Europe wide? So, if something is manufacturer approved in Germany then legally it should be fine here?

Abt give you a warranty on top of the manufacturers warranty - so in Europe it's 2 years or 100,000km. I suspect one reason why VAG don't do it in the UK is because of the odd 3-year warranty that is offered in the UK.

The reason it works is because the dealer you buy the car from is an agent for both VW and Abt. If you have a warranty claim, the dealer sorts out who pays for it - VW or Abt. The customer never needs to know any behind the scenes wrangling.

In the UK, the Abt importer, RichterSport, is actually part of Jardine Group who operate about half the VAG dealerships in England. RichterSport operate from the same premises as Milton Keynes Audi and any Jardine Group dealer will honour warranty claims on RichterSport tuned cars.

There are at least two Skoda dealers selling tuning boxes and at least one offers remaps.

That's not true. UK is not the only market in Europe where vag is not linked to a tuner

OK, let's agree that there are countries within the European Union where official VAG dealers are allowed by VAG to sell Abt Sportsline tuning upgrades without invalidating the manufacturers warranty.

new on this forum I suscribed because I bought the same box for my A3 TDI 184 Quattro Stronic. 

Did you buy the box in France or from DTUK? I'm just interested because as I understand it DTUK run a different set of parameters to those used by the manufacturers of the box in Germany.

OK, let's agree that there are countries within the European Union where official VAG dealers are allowed by VAG to sell Abt Sportsline tuning upgrades without invalidating the manufacturers warranty.

Yes but apart from Germany and maybe Luxembourg or Switzerland I don't think there is anywhere else.

  

Did you buy the box in France or from DTUK? I'm just interested because as I understand it DTUK run a different set of parameters to those used by the manufacturers of the box in Germany.

No reseller in France I believe. I bought it from Andrew

just incase anyone else doubts me, £5m worth of product liability insurance in place should anything go pear shaped..

 

 

And enough assets within Diesel Tuning UK LTD to cover it too, one of the perks of dealing with an honest hard working soul like myself that works 19 hours a day 7 days a week.. (if you don't believe me as her on doors as she would say..   

I'm quite interested in a tuning box (but probably through Shark) and I've had a good look at your website. I was a bit put off by the warranty page as it's not actually a warranty page, it's a disclaimer page where you basically list all the reasons you can't be held responsible for anything that goes wrong, and units aren't covered by the DSR, and then the actual warranty you offer is actually your product liability insurance. I don't know how yours works, but on mine I actually have to be getting sued by a customer before it pays out. And it doesn't mention anywhere that any cover is in addition to the purchaser's statutory rights etc. etc.

It's possibly worth looking at the option of offering an additional insurance backed warranty like Abt or MTM? I know I'd be much happier buying something like that.

Also - on your disclaimer page you talk about how you can't guarantee a claimed power or torque figure but it "should be close". Can you specify a tolerance? 2%? 5%?

It all just feels a bit loose. I'm pretty sure one reason the German manufacturers are claiming much lower numbers is those are actual increases they will guarantee you will get.

I'm quite interested in a tuning box (but probably through Shark) and I've had a good look at your website. I was a bit put off by the warranty page as it's not actually a warranty page, it's a disclaimer page where you basically list all the reasons you can't be held responsible for anything that goes wrong, and units aren't covered by the DSR, and then the actual warranty you offer is actually your product liability insurance. I don't know how yours works, but on mine I actually have to be getting sued by a customer before it pays out. And it doesn't mention anywhere that any cover is in addition to the purchaser's statutory rights etc. etc.

It's possibly worth looking at the option of offering an additional insurance backed warranty like Abt or MTM? I know I'd be much happier buying something like that.

Also - on your disclaimer page you talk about how you can't guarantee a claimed power or torque figure but it "should be close". Can you specify a tolerance? 2%? 5%?

It all just feels a bit loose. I'm pretty sure one reason the German manufacturers are claiming much lower numbers is those are actual increases they will guarantee you will get.

 

No one can guarantee a power figure, but unlike a lot of other box sellers we actually do spend a lot of time on the dyno with our popular models. So the majority of the figures are based on our own dyno feedback or from that of a customer, but when youre tuning 1,000s of different cars its impossible to be 100% accurate. If youre so critical of our power figures, check out some of them from our competitors. now those will give you a laugh.

 

Regarding offering the additional insurance it is something we considered a few years ago and did offer it to customers but none of them wished to take it up. Im not 100% but do Shark offer additional insurance with their maps or tuning boxes (supplied by us)?

No one can guarantee a power figure, but unlike a lot of other box sellers we actually do spend a lot of time on the dyno with our popular models. So the majority of the figures are based on our own dyno feedback or from that of a customer, but when youre tuning 1,000s of different cars its impossible to be 100% accurate. If youre so critical of our power figures, check out some of them from our competitors. now those will give you a laugh.

The problem with tuners is you really are committing yourself when you hand over your brand new car. Previously, I've let Ben Wardle at Shark do open heart surgery on my ECUs however the way things are I'd prefer a less invasive method of tuning my new car. Abt want silly money (€2000 for a tuning box!) and MTM are not far behind (£850 including 2 years additional unlimited cover power train warranty). Then I think Shark are mid-£600's without insurance and you're about half that for the same box and loom. Personally, I'd pay Ben £300 extra for his mapping and I've known him long enough that it wouldn't cross my mind for 1 second that he wouldn't fix my car if anything went wrong, so I can justify the extra for a Shark box, I just thought I'd check out the generic base they're using.

Regarding offering the additional insurance it is something we considered a few years ago and did offer it to customers but none of them wished to take it up. Im not 100% but do Shark offer additional insurance with their maps or tuning boxes (supplied by us)?

I did look at DTE's website and they offer about £6000 worth of drivetrain insurance in their pricing (which I think is higher than yours).

On the TUeV Gutachten, do you do that or is it supplied by DTE?

The dte website you refer to our ours, as for tuv that's supplied by Dte.

It's nice to see that yet again this thread is going round and round in circles :(

Edited 15 January, 201412 yr by Andrew@DTUK

The dte website you refer to our ours, as for tuv that's supplied by Dte.It's nice to see that yet again this thread is going round and round in circles :(

True, it's now just turned into an advertising vehicle

And your point is? As it's been said over and over again, I am a sponsor and this thread was supposed to be aimed at people who are actually interested in tuning their new 184ps vRS. But it seams to me that for some in known reason the local trolls who have no real interest are the ones doing most of the posting.

Agreed and a fairly tiresome one at that. Very surprised this thread (which has every right to exist by the way) isn't away in an advertisers area rather than being in the Octy III main area.

The dte website you refer to our ours, as for tuv that's supplied by Dte.

It's nice to see that yet again this thread is going round and round in circles :(

I don't see it like that. There have been several issues raised in this thread and I believed I could contribute. I am long-standing customer of Shark and I was directed to this thread from the Shark Hybrid Tuning Box thread in Shark's forum. I think as a potential customer it's not unreasonable to investigate the supply chain and ask what value is added at each stage of the process. That's why I thought it was worth exploring the differences between the cheapest product (yours), the original product (DTE's - which is more expensive and produces less improvement officially but includes insurance backed warranty cover) and Shark's which is the most expensive but potentially the one I would buy because I respect Ben Wardle.

I have said absolutely nothing derogatory about your product or business although I did make one suggestion regarding warranty cover that you seem to have taken badly.

I asked a perfectly reasonable question about where you get your performance claims from and what the tolerances are which you effectively chose not to answer.

And now you label me a troll? Seriously? If you can't answer a couple of perfectly reasonable questions without resorting to name-calling then you're more thin-skinned than you appear.

Now, I'll leave your thread alone, but I suspect I won't be a customer. Which is a shame, because I would suggest that people like me are exactly the ones you want for word of mouth reputation building.

Reference the trolls I was actually referring to members who had liked various posts on here, and at the time these members were actually reading the thread. After 8-9 weeks of trolling on this thread I would agree that my skin isn't as thick as it once was. I have read threads of a similar nature from other tuners on this site, and for some unknown reason these 'simple questions' have never been asked of them once, never mind over and over again. But I suppose as you've said it comes down to trust.

Edited 15 January, 201412 yr by Andrew@DTUK

Regarding the petrol tuning kits, at this point in time the stage 1 tunes are all sourced from DTE in Germany. The only input both myself and Ben have had boils down to adding our names to the box and helping with the development of the improved hardware that will allow Ben to take the petrol kits to stage 2. So let's be honest the Shark box hasn't been developed from the ground up over by Ben or infact myself, but we have taken a highly respected product that has been developed by Dte on their top of the range MAHA dyno and several thousand kms of autobahn testing and intend to take it to the next stage.

DTE are only interested in the stage 1 market and have no desire to develop stage 2 petrol kits which is where Ben is coming into play.

Today marks the first day of that development and already we are seeing great results, and as long as no one minds I'm sure this info will be shared with members ASAP.

Andrew, I for one am very interested in knowing just how you guys get on with the petrol tuning box, please keep me updated via this thread.  Any work being done or planned for the lesser 1.4 TSI tunning box, I got an unconfirmed BW6 now, front and rear anti roll bars and hi-flow air filter all researched, sold shedloads of stuff for funding, just can't wait.

 

Regards

T

Yip good luck with the petrol, I'm keeping an eye on another Audi forum too

I am looking forward to news on the petrol also.

Well Ben started work on a stage 2 tune yesterday on millteks golf gti with performance pack (230bhp) and although it's early days we did see 3**bhp on the dyno