Just seen the video of it.

Horrific.

 

Really shocking; I guess Jules would have seen it coming and been completely unable to do anything about it other than make himself as small as possible.

Shocked to see the footage.... Very sad incident indeed.

Anyone notice the wild waving of GREEN flags prior to Bianchi's crash??

You mean the ones being waved after the scene of the crash? Perfectly normal marshalling there I think.

The man on podium/Marshall tower 12 directly above where sutils car was being recovered. He continued waving it after bianchi flew into the recovery truck.

Afaik green flags = resume racing?

That marshal post was after the accident, hence the green flag, yellows were still being waved on the marshal post before the accident site...

Anyone notice the wild waving of GREEN flags prior to Bianchi's crash??

No. I did notice the marshall's post at Degnar 1 using a waved green to signal that drivers had cleared the incident at Dunlop though.

 

Oh and the Esses and Dunlop posts using double waved yellows which mean "Slow down and be prepared to stop".

Anybody knows why Jules was travelling at such a high speed? Those JCB lifters weight quite a lot and would take a substantial amount of energy to lift it up so violently ..

He wasn't particularly...  He was travelling at comparable speeds to the rest of the field through that sector...

 

I read somewhere that the force was 50G at impact!!!

 

The fact he has got out alive in the first place is testament to the cars safety..

 

EM

G loading in this case is a factor of both speed at impact and the depth of the crush zone, and is a peak value on the g-meter which might not be experienced by the driver. Ironically, I suspect that a 2013 "high nose" car would have done better in this particular case because it would have hit a more vertical part of the plant and not submarined.

I suspect that a 2013 "high nose" car would have done better in this particular case

 

I'm not sure, wouldn't that have rotated the car on impact and caused a sideways impact rather than straight on (glancing blow) as happened in this instance?

I'm not sure, wouldn't that have rotated the car on impact and caused a sideways impact rather than straight on (glancing blow) as happened in this instance?

Well maybe, but spinning a car takes speed off, and the sidepods, radiators etc make a decent crumple zone.

Sadly no matter how good crumple zones are Hans devices, helmets etc,  

the body and head comes to a stop, and the insides of the drivers head keeps moving.

 

I really hope for the very best for him.

 

The Yellow Flag thing & going behind the Safety car or catching up behind the Safety car if there are rivers of water running across the track

is really no use as is proved time after time.

 

Like at a Karting Track with the Paying Customers having the Power cut by the operators, the Safety Car is going to have to be able to 

Cut the F1 cars power, and even bring them to a stop.

& yes i know communications to the Cars can have problems,

But that is an odd one, Cutting Edge Technology, highest cost Motorsport with the biggest budgets,

& Communications are just gash often.

 

george

I've seen now the whole impact video and could compare it to Sutil's one and it looked like Jules was travelling much faster under safety car than Sutil in race conditions... Wasn't this the case of Safety Car letting lapped cars pass to catch up with the back of the snake?

Safety car wasn't released until after the crash, when it was released simultaneously to the medical car.

Released after the first Crash was it not,? so there was the crash site / incident ,  & Yellow flags,

 that first crash site being what Jules Bianchi Slid into.

Edited 7 October, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

Nope, it was only covered by double waved yellows initially.

As Oli says, in which case if Jules was travelling much faster, I'd suggest that his shunt was self-inflicted (reasoning stated up thread).

As Oli says, in which case if Jules was travelling much faster, I'd suggest that his shunt was self-inflicted (reasoning stated up thread).

 

But he was travelling at the same speed as the rest of the field in the same sector...

Just watched the Crash on the video in the Mirror,

and it was a Green Flag being waved just above the Telehandler with the car in the air as he crashed into it.

Edited 7 October, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

Just watched the Crash on the video in the Mirror,

and it was a Green Flag being waved just above the Telehandler with the car in the air as he crashed into it.

If that's right then it was dangerously bad marshalling (not usually like the Japanese).

G loading in this case is a factor of both speed at impact and the depth of the crush zone, and is a peak value on the g-meter which might not be experienced by the driver. Ironically, I suspect that a 2013 "high nose" car would have done better in this particular case because it would have hit a more vertical part of the plant and not submarined.

It appears to have missed the nose and impact was to the side pod and roll bar.

If it'd had hit the nose, surely it'd have been instantly fatal?

If that's right then it was dangerously bad marshalling (not usually like the Japanese).

Yes it is right and what I was trying to say.

Even as bianchi flew into the recovery truck he carried on waving the flag directly overhead

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/report/12528/9507283/green-flag-in-disturbing-footage-of-jules-bianchis-japanese-gp-crash-explained

 

Green Flag situation explained

The green flag was being waved as that was the correct thing to do, it is a status warning for the next section of track and was positioned fractionally after the accident site, the section the accident was in was under double waved yellows. The safety car wasn't released until after Bianchi's accident so drivers being allowed through wouldn't have been a factor, unfortunately it seems to be a case of driving too fast for the conditions. I think Hardcorehobbit has a good point, in a section of the track where there is either a recovery vehicle in use or under double waved yellows then cars must proceed under the control of the pit lane speed limiter for the entire length of that section, not releasing it until in a section controlled by a green flag.

Ian