Deal is almost done. Used leon 280 at £22k and brand new ibiza 1.4 tsi all on £680

That's the rub Richard, those are based on 10k/yr. TBH mileage is irrelevant unless you hand the car back on a PCP deal. Lease is different altogether, and the best lease price I could find for me is £460 a month, excluding maintenance. The dealer offer inbcludes 3 services, plus GAP plus options that i didn't spec in the lease. 

 

It's the price of the Polo that is not right 

 

If there is a used 280 kicking around at >£100 per month with a similar Ibiza then I'd got for that, but you know the Golf wasn't insanely quicker than the Octy. In fact I was surprised how slow it felt, though it was new and I was on a short test drive so not the same I know, but even so, it didn't exactly blow my socks off....

My current Golf R would blow the socks of my fairly recently owned Octavia vRS mk3 TSI. vRS Wouldn't see it for dust across country roads either. Totally different beast.

Regarding  living with day to day ,driving in normal mode, noise in either is  not unpleasant . Just get used to it. 3500 miles in the Golf R to date ,the Octavia covered 11500 before my PX..

Edited 19 November, 201411 yr by vrskeith

Deal is almost done. Used leon 280 at £22k and brand new ibiza 1.4 tsi all on £680

Enjoy!

The 280 has got every option possible too, including adaptive dampers, full leather. Bonus. I also prefer the more muted but still sporty sound track.

Well done.  Sensible cars, well made.  

Once Skoda build one similar or better, they will be back on track and can rightly live up to the Motor Sport Heritage they always speak of, 

& will have 'Emotion' back in their Model Range.

 

Deal is almost done. Used leon 280 at £22k and brand new ibiza 1.4 tsi all on £680

Interesting combo, update reports once you've had them a while please.

 

George is waiting for his local dealer's Leon280, to drop in price to £20k! Well that was a month ago.

They are just £500 off of that for a Red 5 Door & the deal could be done.

(sadly, it is just that i am £20,000 short, so it can not be..)

They are just £500 off of that for a Red 5 Door & the deal could be done.

(sadly, it is just that i am £20,000 short, so it can not be..)

That's a bugger ,as I thought we might just have a Leon 280 thread starting.

I am just going to have to settle for enjoying borrowed ones, 

and watching my most favourite road tester.  (I am excited about the Facelifter A1 1.8TSI coming out, 'Very Sporty!')

The future is bright the future is Yellow -R400.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxmfrcRiLFQ&feature=player_detailpage

 

 

 

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Read somewhere this week that it might be a Limit No. Build, so may only be 3 dr.

 

That would do me in my aging youth!!

Too late, I put a holding deposit on a forthcoming Audi RS3 today...

I'll have a massive fleet downsize around arrival time.

Audi RS Q3 is this the engine and gearbox basis of your proposed RS3,WITH MAY BE A FEW EXTRA bhp applied to the RS3,

 

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/89495/audi-rs-q3-2014-pictures#0

 

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/89495/audi-rs-q3-2014-pictures#2

Edited 19 November, 201411 yr by vrskeith

I like his Road Tests as well,

and i pay more attention to him due to his style of driving and ability.

the previous model.

EDIT PS

'sharkrider' has video of him doing the track in his Mk2 Fabia vRS Estate, worth watching IMO. Wunderbar.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/290466-phantom-fabia-ii-vrs-estate/page-14

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YrEK7BDUHPU

Interesting watch about the 0-60mph runs. Roads looked damp though, so i dont know if traction was a little low, didnt sound like it was spinning all 4 off the line.

I think what slows these kinda cars down, is you need to be in 3rd to get to 60mph. Thats 2 gear changes isnt it.

Maybe just how he is using it and what it is set on.

A lowly 1390cc 180 ps 1.4 TSI Twincharger with a 7 Speed Twin Dry Clutch DSG is at 70 mph in 3rd in 7.8 seconds with TC off,

& 100 mph in 4th before changing up to 5th.

But it is out of 1st before 10mph under full throttle, and out of 2nd at 30-40 mph.

It will do 6.7 seconds to 62 mph. but probably not in the damp like he was on, unless you have the right tyres on.

(stage 1 with 205-10 ps in 6.2 Seconds)

 

Mk6 Golf R had about 90 bhp more but was a bit of a bloater.

At least 200 kg more.

Edited 19 November, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

Congrats on the order sounds like you got a good price on the Leon 280 so have fun in it! :-)

Deal is almost done. Used leon 280 at £22k and brand new ibiza 1.4 tsi all on £680

 

Nice price.

Not 100% about all that power in a front wheel drive car on the roads you commute down, but then you don't have to thrash it all the time.

Maybe just how he is using it and what it is set on.

A lowly 1390cc 180 ps 1.4 TSI Twincharger with a 7 Speed Twin Dry Clutch DSG is at 70 mph in 3rd in 7.8 seconds with TC off,

& 100 mph in 4th before changing up to 5th.

But it is out of 1st before 10mph under full throttle, and out of 2nd at 30-40 mph.

It will do 6.7 seconds to 62 mph. but probably not in the damp like he was on, unless you have the right tyres on.

(stage 1 with 205-10 ps in 6.2 Seconds)

Mk6 Golf R had about 90 bhp more but was a bit of a bloater.

At least 200 kg more.

Thats true! Wonder how much extra a golf weighs...

Its the gear changes that take time though isnt it, i guess. Theres a moment there where no progress is made.

Thats true! Wonder how much extra a golf weighs...

Its the gear changes that take time though isnt it, i guess. Theres a moment there where no progress is made.

 

The Golf R is about 1,500kg.

The Golf R is about 1,500kg.

Cheers!

I think a mk2 vrs is 1300kg. (Im sure George will know, by the KG lol)

So. Not that much extra really considering its a bigger car, n all the 4wd running gear n that.

VWG just make up kerb weights to suit the brand, as they do with performance figures, more expensive is faster, & sometimes they show as lighter.

As standard they come without Spare Wheels etc, so that is when the weights are take, 

and then they use 3 door weights at the launch and give a figure that is no place near accurate when they are 5 doors.

 

in 2010 the Longer Heavier Fabia vRS estate was supposed to be 5 kg lighter than the estate which was 1,238 kg

Magazines and Salespeople told you this, because Skoda Printed it.

Then Seat & VW had to correct the weights on the Heavier Polo & Ibiza, because the Kerb Weights were fiction

when VW & Seat first gave them.

Then the correctly changed the vRS estate because it was 70 kg heavier than the Hatch.

later they give a different kerb weigh for the Hatch, making it 5 kg heavier again than the Estate.

Which is 9 3/4" longer than the Hatch. (but has no Ballast added to the rear.)

 

So in 2010-13 they say the Hatch was was 1,243 kg kerb weight,

then in 2014 for some reason they give it as 1,318 kg (75 kg more)  Because the Estate is given as 1,313kg

The 2013 facelift added no weight though.

(neither of them have Approval for Towing, and they changed the Kerb Weights, but left the Gross Weights the same)

The Polo GTI, Seat Ibiza Cupra & Audi A1 185ps are approved for fitting tow bars to and have Tow Weights.

Edited 19 November, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

So in 2010-13 they say the Hatch was was 1,243 kg kerb weight,

then in 2014 for some reason they give it as 1,318 kg (75 kg more)  Because the Estate is given as 1,313kg

 

I believe that's because it was a "wet" weight rather than a true kerbweight.

So they now add the 75kg driver allowance.

The Kerb Weight then did have a Driver Allowance, as was said in the Skoda explanation at the time.

Anyway, real on the road weight for me is over 1,400 kg.

 

But then real driving weight for the Golfs are in excess of 1,550 kg

 

I think it is the Autocar full review on the Seat Leon Cupra 280 DSG that shows when they weighed it that 

it is one of the very few they weighed that was lighter than the official figures given.

 

It is a pitty that more magazines or road testers do not weigh cars they test rather than going by Manufacturers weights.

 

The Evo Hot Hatch Test that included the Fiesta ST 2 was good, 

it showed how light the Fiesta was by weighing them, and showing corner weights,

& it showed just what a Bloater the MINI Cooper S JCW

& 208 GTI, Juke etc were with there 197 bhp or what ever.

Edited 19 November, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

Woops. I've opened a can of worms and paragraphs here havent i haha.

So. 150kg difference then?

Well the Kerb Weights would have it as 200 kg difference. But they can be variable between cars at Launch, and during production.

 

But then a car can have a Spare Wheel & Tool kit, Leather, etc which are options and not the Manufacturers Basic Standard car weighed.

 

Then fat bloke or bird as drivers, or racing snakes can drive them..

I am a fat bloke.

Well the Kerb Weights would have it as 200 kg difference. But they can be variable between cars at Launch, and during production.

But then a car can have a Spare Wheel & Tool kit, Leather, etc which are options and not the Manufacturers Basic Standard car weighed.

Then fat bloke or bird as drivers, or racing snakes can drive them..

I am a fat bloke.

Yeah but roughly 150 to 200kg then .

I know options etc make a slight difference, but in the real world, i mean. The driver could be on their way back from morrisons with 20kg of food n beer on board. We wouldnt count that lol.

All of that changes with the ability to get the clutch out anyway, if its manual.

http://skoda.co.uk/fuel-consumption-statement

http://skoda.co.uk/models/fabiavrsestate/performance

This shows the Original Weight, not the one Skoda Publish now elsewhere.

 

Often Manufacturers figures make little difference, they give weights.

But the EU emission tests are rubbish, but you pay your VED by them.

 

The Skoda Twincharger and the Ibiza was a Tax Class higher than the VW & Audi,

the Skodas were lighter, on different tyre size but the Same Engines.

 

The Engines were changed in all 4 cars, so the CO2 changed a bit, (went down)

only Seat with the 2013 Facelift then said the Emissions were lower, and the VED dropped

to match what VW & Audi had for the previous 1 & 2 years.

The Skodas had that engine in 3 months earlier.

Skoda never revised their figures, only increased the Weights of the cars after 2 years.

Its just how VWG are,

Edited 19 November, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi