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6 vs 7 speed DSG

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Are you buying from a Skoda Dealership?

Get them to print out the Service History & Warranty History that is on the System for anything done in the Dealership net work.

 

Low mileage but has the Service Schedule been done as Fixed or Variable servicing, and has the brake fluid been changed at 3 years?

 

Maybe call them now and ask, & ask them to Email to you,

'Was the vehicle one that could have the Service Campaign done on the DSG and has it been done?'

This was to change Synthetic Oil to mineral and a software update.

http://master.skoda-auto.com/mini-apps/recall-actions

Edited by Offski

On 30/03/2014 at 19:56, themanwithnoaim said:

DSG & diesel ain't a great combination, lots of users on here have issues, the Eco Mode don't work well and on some diesels is causing the engine to stall.

 

Regards

T

 

Not just VAG that have this exact issue.

 

I've just returned from a long road trip from Portsmouth down the the French Alps and back in a 14 plate diesel Vauxhall Moka, but was manual. 

 

Turn the Eco mode off and it seemed the cure it?

 

My missus works for Motability am s it appears his problem is rife...... Eco mode the issue?

 

Actually, keeping the revs up when pulling away also solved the problem when in Eco mode. 

Edited by jars
Secondary thought!

I am used to drive manuals, and currently am driving a brand new courtesy Yeti 1.2Tsi with the 7 Speed DSG, and I have to say that the changes on the lower gears are pretty jerky and horrid, specially when taking off at speed, regardless if in Drive mode or Sport mode.

I've been a life-long manual box driver, but after a test drive in a DSG Octavia last year I was swiftly converted.  The test drive alone convinced to stump up the extra cash when (I thought) I'd already decided on a manual.  Had the car for over 6 months now and the DSG is still a pleasure to drive.  Changes are very smooth and like someone else said earlier, I often have to check the maxidot to see what gear I'm currently in.

 

The main point I would make is that switching from manual to a DSG requires a different degree of finese with your right foot, more so than with a manual.  If you're used to dumping the clutch and then flooring your right foot all the time, you're going to have to adjust quite a bit.

A small point on driving Loaner, Courtesy, Hire cars, getting into someone elses 7 speed twin dry clutch DSG, 

They do not Learn, but they do remember.  So that jerky DSG might be due to how it was last driven maybe by a jerk.

 

So you get in and drive some miles, once warmed up maybe use 'Dynamic Mode', (read the owners manual'), 

then spend some time driving calmer and you might just find that 'They do not have to be jerky at lower speeds', 

they are not just as lethargic and 'Slow witted' as a 6 speed fitted to a Diesel.

24 minutes ago, TechyDonkey said:

I've been a life-long manual box driver, but after a test drive in a DSG Octavia last year I was swiftly converted.  The test drive alone convinced to stump up the extra cash when (I thought) I'd already decided on a manual.  Had the car for over 6 months now and the DSG is still a pleasure to drive.  Changes are very smooth and like someone else said earlier, I often have to check the maxidot to see what gear I'm currently in.

 

The main point I would make is that switching from manual to a DSG requires a different degree of finese with your right foot, more so than with a manual.  If you're used to dumping the clutch and then flooring your right foot all the time, you're going to have to adjust quite a bit.

 

This is exactly my experience as well! 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Offski said:

So you get in and drive some miles, once warmed up maybe use 'Dynamic Mode', (read the owners manual'), 

then spend some time driving calmer and you might just find that 'They do not have to be jerky at lower speeds', 

they are not just as lethargic and 'Slow witted' as a 6 speed fitted to a Diesel.

 

I wouldn't know about that, since it has been ages since I have last regularly driven diesel cars, but I had a Octavia courtesy car with the same engine but manual gearbox and it was way smoother to drive. Specially the kickdown on this gearbox, regardless of how gentle you are with the gas, is not smooth.

Edited by Jaco2k

That was my point, they do not have to be that way, you pick up a car and someone else put in the fuel, set the tyre pressures and drove a DSG with a memory in a certain manner, you can do a Re-set or just drive smooth and the DSG can drive smooth as well after a while.

 

The VW Engineers never set out to build Jerky Gear Changes, and they do not need to be.

19 minutes ago, Offski said:

That was my point, they do not have to be that way, you pick up a car and someone else put in the fuel, set the tyre pressures and drove a DSG with a memory in a certain manner, you can do a Re-set or just drive smooth and the DSG can drive smooth as well after a while.

 

The VW Engineers never set out to build Jerky Gear Changes, and they do not need to be.

 

Ah, now I got what you meant :) But I don't think I will drive it long enough to care about resetting it... which probably is what most everyone who as driven it before thought or done.

Who would 'Reset' someone else's car.

Motoring Journalists do not, many that review or comment on driving one do not, but you do not need to 'Reset',  you can do it with driving a few miles and changing it's behaviour, as i do every time i get my car back from nearest & dearest driving it in their way.

Been doing that for 6 years now, keep lending them as well.....

 

My 1.6 TDI with DSG is so perfect best decision I ever made! Transitions between gears are flawless and so easy.

2.0 TDi VRs with DSG 6 speed and extremely smooth. Only slight concern/query I have is that it is slow to respond on initial start on cold mornings, after standing for a day or two, and slight incline of my driveway (suspect this is mainly due to the first two and expected). Very pleased with it and cannot ever see me going back to manual (although I do like using the paddles when appropriate). Sorry, no experience of 7 speed.

My 2nd Octy 3 1.6TDi with DSG, and have never had a moments hesitation with changing up or down in 3.5 years and almost 40k miles of fairly spirited driving.

I know Honest John (who ??) hates the 7 speeder DSG (like mine) with a passion, and just loves to denigrate them, but I suspect he's never actually driven one !

JKW

  • 5 months later...

I have 7 speed DSG and its best gearbox I`ve ever had in terms of comfort. Very quick gear changes, very quite. Pleasure to drive!

Have any of you with a DQ200 7 speed twin dry clutch DSG built between 2013 & 2015 had them in for Service Campaign '34H5' a Software update.

Or have you been told that your DSG might require this?

 

http://master.skoda-auto.com/mini-apps/recall-actions 

It may not show on this VIN checker so you will need to check with Skoda UK Customer Services or a Main Dealer.

 

This is different from the World Wide Recall & Service Campaign only in Europe for DQ200 DSG 2009-2013 for the Synthetic Oil changed to mineral and a Software Update. '34F7'

I have spoken to Skoda UK and they said my car is not affected by 34H5.

Only had 6SP Wet Clutch DQ250  DSGs. I find it to be very good but not perfect. Agree with some posts that it is a little jerky when first taking off and totally cold but that rectifies quickly.

 

You can" wrong foot it" if you start to proceed, back off and then need to accelerate again. Like at a round about, it will click up to 2nd or 3rd when you needed it to maintain the gear. You then don't have the level of power you were expecting and need to apply a lot more power to get the progress you expected.

 

There is a certain drive style that makes it work smoother. For example, moving immediately from brake to burying the loud pedal [from standstill] will be clunky as the clutch likes a second delay to start to engage. It will only start to engage after releasing the brake pedal. On inclines starts, I find it a lot smoother to use the handbrake [and brake pedal] and give the transmission a second before applying accelerator after releasing the brake pedal.

Edited by TheClient

It would be a lot clearer when people talk of their experiences with a 6 speed wet if they said it was fitted to a diesel or petrol engine, 

same with the 7 speed DSG's petrol or diesel engines, and actually what year was this DSG that you have experience of.

 

A 2016 2.0TDI SCR 150ps with 6 Speed Wet with Auto Hold & Coasting Function is 'Lush' IME and the nicest of the last 6 speeds.

the DQ200 7 Speed DSG / S-Tronic on a 1.4 TSI Twincharger or even a 1.0 , 1.2 TSI, 1.4 TSI is a great box IMO and totally different from a 7 speed on a 1.6 TDI which is OK as in it does the job.

Edited by Awayoffski

  • 4 years later...

Lifting this aged post with a quick question. 

 

Would a 7 speed dsg be more fuel efficient than a 6 speed dsg?

10 hours ago, Lamont1980 said:

Lifting this aged post with a quick question. 

 

Would a 7 speed dsg be more fuel efficient than a 6 speed dsg?


Nope. My DQ250 six speed Golf is more economical (just) than my Wife’s DQ200 seven speed Polo. Both GTI’s, mine 2.0, her’s 1.8:

Screenshot 2022-06-16 at 09.13.45.jpeg

 

The answer might differ if you’re comparing the same car and engine with different DSG’s - which DSG’s are you wanting to compare?

 

Gaz

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Added a screenshot

@Lamont1980 there are 6 speed wet clutch DSG,s the. 7 speed wet clutch DSG,s so you maybe want to compare those with similar engines.  The 7 speed introduced as emissions should be lower, this should mean lower fuel consumption but may not.     Comparing a 7 speed twin dry clutch DSG which will only be in a Skoda with 180 ps, 250 Nm or less and FWD is apples, pears and lemons really.   Factor in over £200 or more ever 40,000 miles with a 7 speed wet clutch of 6 speed.  Only at 80,000 with a DQ381. 

My 6speed DSG doesn't like going from reverse to drive quickly. Even if I put it in D and then put the throttle down a second latet, it jerks like crazy. It almost seems like the engine stalls as it wasn't ready and the car declutches to catch it.

So I have to put in D and let it pull away  then I can apply throttle.

Not great if you're trying to manoeuvre quickly lol.

Apart from that it's fine, I wouldnt want a manual ever again.

My 6sp DQ250 is a bit jerky when cold but you can easily get used to it.

 

I bought the car second hand and the transmission behavior was horrible. I had to adapt it with VCDS and is now much better. I do the adaptation every time I service it and I can say that’s right way of doing this for my needs(50/50 city highway driving)

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