Why didn't the vRS sell better?

[fabiamk2SE]

It would be another HTP. I'm a big fan of them now and also I'd like to get places on time!

Haha.

Yeah theyre nice little engines arent they.

I dont think the later ones have as much character as the older ones. They dont whine as much and dont quite seem as responsive somehow.

Still a nice little engine though. Id have another any day . Shame theyre droppin them from the engine line up eh!

[Toxicvrs]

Haha.

Yeah theyre nice little engines arent they.

I dont think the later ones have as much character as the older ones. They dont whine as much and dont quite seem as responsive somehow.

Still a nice little engine though. Id have another any day . Shame theyre droppin them from the engine line up eh!

Might go for a 64 or 70 instead though as I had the 54 before

[fabiamk2SE]

Might go for a 64 or 70 instead though as I had the 54 before

Mum had the 64 in her polo. Just helped a little bit up the hills compared to the 6v.

[Toxicvrs]

Mum had the 64 in her polo. Just helped a little bit up the hills compared to the 6v.

I found my 54 to be gruntier than the Clio 74

[fabiamk2SE]

I found my 54 to be gruntier than the Clio 74

Really?

I guess thats down to the 3 cylinder arrangement? Gives a little more low down torque doesnt it.

Is the clio 4 cylinder?

[Toxicvrs]

Really?

I guess thats down to the 3 cylinder arrangement? Gives a little more low down torque doesnt it.

Is the clio 4 cylinder?

Yes and yeah 4 cylinders

[pipsyp]

Get one, you wouldn't be disappointed! I've literally been in motoring heaven the last few weeks since mine arrived :-)

The only snag is after I've been driving the M135i around all week I get in the Furby and the little skoda suddenly starts to feel abit tame :-(. I find myself pulling out to overtake something and I'm clinging on to the wheel and jumping up and down in my seat shouting "come on just mooooooove god damn you!!!!" Lol! The midrange now feels completely dead with not much happening until 5k rpm.

Still love the Fabias cheeky charm tho.....and the mahoosive boot. Baby actually fits in his car seat easily on the back seat too which is a bonus.

Ha mate you got one then, epic piece of kit isn't it. The BMW is a very very quick car even stock, sound also that little else can replicate.

[Ootohere]

It take it you mean to replicate the sound that those outside hear.

BMW spent time and effort to replicate what you hear inside with the Sound Generator.

 

http://f20.1addiicts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=786318

 

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XpZ42A-R_34

Edited 2 September, 2014 by goneoffSKi

[pipsyp]

Yes aware the BMW has a sound generator; car is v well insulated so would sound a bit boring inside without it.

I gather there is a control unit in the boot that actually pipes real but electronically generated audio of the engine into the cabin through the hifi; having been in one several times (my Dad has one) it works v well and you'd be pushed to tell the sound is artificial.

If you unplug it the infotainment unit ceases to function too.

Edited 2 September, 2014 by pipsyp

[Ootohere]

Its going to become even more common even on cars that do not have a good outside engineered noise,

as the EU Noise regulations are enforced, exhaust and tyre noise.

 

http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=786318

Edited 2 September, 2014 by goneoffSKi

[logiclee]

Yes aware the BMW has a sound generator; car is v well insulated so would sound a bit boring inside without it.

I gather there is a control unit in the boot that actually pipes real but electronically generated audio of the engine into the cabin through the hifi; having been in one several times (my Dad has one) it works v well and you'd be pushed to tell the sound is artificial.

If you unplug it the infotainment unit ceases to function too.

 

 

The sound insulation removes the bottom end of the frequency range of the exhausts output at low revs and the top end howl at higher revs.

 

The sound symposer is supposed to add back in those frequencies into the cabin. It's a bit more than that though BMW don't just play back engine sounds like the Clio system. The Symposer adds in specific frequencies depending on throttle position, engine load, engine rpm and internal noise. 

I've driven the M135i several times now and I can't tell anything is coming from the speakers, Only when you unplug the symposer can you tell.

 

In comparison the Clio system sound like you are playing a CD of engine noises.

 

Just how things are with modern close coupled twin scroll turbo installations, most of the energy is taken from the exhaust so most of the noise has gone. Then add in a well insualted cabin and you can see why such systems have been developed.

 

Drive a supercharged only engine like the 3.0V6 TFSI Audi in an S5 or a Jag 5.0V8 R with nothing taking the energy from the exhaust and you soon hear that it's much easier to engineer a proper exhaust note. But that's not the most efficient way nowdays.

I drive an S5 from time to time and the exhaust note is intoxicating, I'm sure Esso designed that exhaust note.

 

Lee

[Furbytom]

Ha mate you got one then, epic piece of kit isn't it. The BMW is a very very quick car even stock, sound also that little else can replicate.

Haha yeah couldn't resist any longer!

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/323438-picked-up-my-m135i-today-gentlemen-get-your-kleenex-ready-for-some-car-porn/

It is indeed an epic machine. The sound is just awesome! Wind all four windows down and the exhaust sounds fantastic too.

I agree you'd never know there is a sound generator inside, can't hear anything coming from the speakers whatsoever. :-)

The M5, M3 and M4 all have them too to overcome the insulation and effect of the turbo quietening things down I guess.

Performance is nothing short of brutal so restraint is definitely required!

[fabiamk2SE]

Haha yeah couldn't resist any longer!

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/323438-picked-up-my-m135i-today-gentlemen-get-your-kleenex-ready-for-some-car-porn/

It is indeed an epic machine. The sound is just awesome! Wind all four windows down and the exhaust sounds fantastic too.

I agree you'd never know there is a sound generator inside, can't hear anything coming from the speakers whatsoever. :-)

The M5, M3 and M4 all have them too to overcome the insulation and effect of the turbo quietening things down I guess.

Performance is nothing short of brutal so restraint is definitely required!

So the generated sound actually comes out of the stereo speakers?

I thought it might have a seperate one or something aha.

[Furbytom]

So the generated sound actually comes out of the stereo speakers?

I thought it might have a seperate one or something aha.

I'm told it comes out of the speakers but it's impossible to tell. You can drive along with your ear on the bloody speaker and can't hear a peep out of it but apparently it is adding in certain frequencies to the engine note. Spooky! Lol

[fabiamk2SE]

I'm told it comes out of the speakers but it's impossible to tell. You can drive along with your ear on the bloody speaker and can't hear a peep out of it but apparently it is adding in certain frequencies to the engine note. Spooky! Lol

Haha thats good! Good bit of german engineering then!

[vRSy]

In my eyes is simple. In order for the fabia to be any good or needs to be modified. When i bought mine in early 2012 it was add a project as i could see potential. Would I have bought it to keep stock. ......absolutely not as it wasnt quick and handled very poorly .

The ST on the other hand just does not need a single thing doing to it to be an awesome car. Ill still probably fiddle with it though lol.

That said performance of a car is all relative. If you have always had slow or boring cars the vRS would be a revalation but if you have had or tried others that are much better then it's easy to see its flaws.

Edited 3 September, 2014 by vRSy

[Brian69]

Just looking at Fiesta ST prices - 13 plate ones are going for £4k / £5k more than I paid for my vRS when it was a year old - suppose that reflects demand.

[BossFox]

Just looking at Fiesta ST prices - 13 plate ones are going for £4k / £5k more than I paid for my vRS when it was a year old - suppose that reflects demand.

 

I thought Fiesta ST prices were around £15k used.

If you got your VRS for £10k a year old it was indeed a good buy, particularly with at least two years warranty remaining.

 

 

That said performance of a car is all relative. If you have always had slow or boring cars the vRS would be a revalation but if you have had or tried others that are much better then it's easy to see its flaws.

 

A very valid point.

Lots of people sing the praises of various cars, but until you have a range of cars and experience to base it on it's difficult to be constructive.

[Toxicvrs]

I thought Fiesta ST prices were around £15k used.

If you got your VRS for £10k a year old it was indeed a good buy, particularly with at least two years warranty remaining.

A very valid point.

Lots of people sing the praises of various cars, but until you have a range of cars and experience to base it on it's difficult to be constructive.

About 14K when I was looking

Roughly a 1 year old vRS at the moment sells at £13495

Edited 3 September, 2014 by Toxicvrs

[Brian69]

I thought Fiesta ST prices were around £15k used.

If you got your VRS for £10k a year old it was indeed a good buy, particularly with at least two years warranty remaining.

 

 

 

A very valid point.

Lots of people sing the praises of various cars, but until you have a range of cars and experience to base it on it's difficult to be constructive.

I paid £11k. The STs I was looking at are £15k / £16k - suppose there might be some wiggle room but as they're not exactly struggling to shift them perhaps not.

[BossFox]

I paid £11k.

 

That is good for a one year old Fabia VRS.

[logiclee]

I'm told it comes out of the speakers but it's impossible to tell. You can drive along with your ear on the bloody speaker and can't hear a peep out of it but apparently it is adding in certain frequencies to the engine note. Spooky! Lol

 

The symposer is in the boot behind the panel where the first aid kit is. This is also where the amplifier is for the Hifi if you have the Advanced or HK Audio upgrades. 

 

If you unplug it though you loose all audio to the speakers including Radio etc as the systems are tied together.

 

Lee

[Furbytom]

The symposer is in the boot behind the panel where the first aid kit is. This is also where the amplifier is for the Hifi if you have the Advanced or HK Audio upgrades. 

 

If you unplug it though you loose all audio to the speakers including Radio etc as the systems are tied together.

 

Lee

Ahh yeah I'm aware the symposer and amp are located in that cubby hole. Are you saying that the actual sound comes directly out of the symposer unit in the boot rather than the cars audio speakers?! If that's the case I'd not come across that before.

[logiclee]

No, the symposer is the electronic unit that generates electronically the sound frequencies depending on the information it gets through the cars canbus. 

 

The signal from the symposer is then amplified by the audio system and played over the cars audio speakers.

[Furbytom]

No, the symposer is the electronic unit that generates electronically the sound frequencies depending on the information it gets through the cars canbus. 

 

The signal from the symposer is then amplified by the audio system and played over the cars audio speakers.

Which brings me back to my original point lol! The system is so good that you can't actually tell that any added sounds are coming from the audio speakers :-)