I'm confused are we talking about hot discounts on warm hatches, or luke warm discounts on hot hatches. Do we care as we aren't about to buy any of them? I got 20p of a pot noodle last week if it helps. Can't find a link for it though :(

Royal 'We' ?

Sorry, i am confused as to why you are confused,

maybe you are not away to buy or lease, but others are or looking to.  

 

General Car Chat section in the Forum, Not Good Housekeeping or Paul Lewis Supermarket bargain forum.

DOH, even Martin Lewis!

Edited 29 January, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

I think it was your broken English in post 371 had me a little baffled.

0-60 in over 8 seconds, cold.

 

0-60 in 7-8 seconds - tepid.

 

0-60 in 6-7 seconds -warm.

 

0-60 in 5 - 6 seconds - very warm 

 

0-60 in 4- 5 seconds - hot

 

0-60 in 3 - 4 second boiling  (supercars and decent size bikes)

 

0-60 sub 3 seconds - super-heated.   (hyper cars and superbikes)

 

Standards change.  Tyres and drive system become the limit when many cars have enough power to break traction, if the car's on-board will let it.  

That looks about right to me. Sub 5 seconds used to be supercar territory once upon a time and not that long ago! but nowadays it's so common place, nobody seems grateful for the performance:D

 

I reckon I have a Hot hatch as it's a sub 5 second to 60 car.

0-60 in over 8 seconds, cold.

 

0-60 in 7-8 seconds - tepid.

 

0-60 in 6-7 seconds -warm.

 

0-60 in 5 - 6 seconds - very warm 

 

0-60 in 4- 5 seconds - hot

 

0-60 in 3 - 4 second boiling  (supercars and decent size bikes)

 

0-60 sub 3 seconds - super-heated.   (hyper cars and superbikes)

 

Standards change.  Tyres and drive system become the limit when many cars have enough power to break traction, if the car's on-board will let it.  

 

I'm not disagreeing with you and the game has definitely moved on a bit but imo any hatch capable of 0-60 in under say 7.5 seconds is still a hot hatch, my Abarth just misses out on the this but yeh I would say it's only look warm.

 

All of the new "super hatches" that are 5ish seconds to 60 have compromises, barring only probably the Golf R and now maybe, just maybe, the new Focus RS.

As to lots of the posted Manufactures times.  0-100km (62 mph)  or say not posted 0-100 mph.

 

So many of them can not just be driven to a stop as you would be driving,

Manual Gearbox, or Automatic / Automated Manual in D or S.

Stop, then just go, 0-62 or 0-100 mph and get those times.

No Launch Control faffing, pressing buttons, choosing race modes, revving to 4,000 rpm, and all that jazz.

Just on the tyres you drive daily on, stop where you stop, decent traction, not some rubbered up 1/4 mile launch area,.

get the 4.9 seconds or what ever VW / Audi says the car will do.

 

More of these types of runs should be done now with the Newest Hot Hatches and Mega Hatches,

just how easily do they get the 0-62 mph Manufacturers times without revving them and drawing attention to yourself.

 

Even Mega cars with idiot proof launch control can have a bad day to 62 mph against a Budget price Warm Family Estate known to not be great 0-30 mph.

Edited 30 January, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

As to lots of the posted Manufactures times.  0-100km (62 mph)  or say not posted 0-100 mph.

So many of them can not just be driven to a stop as you would be driving,

Manual Gearbox, or Automatic / Automated Manual in D or S.

Stop, then just go, 0-62 or 0-100 mph and get those times.  No Launch Control faffing, pressing buttons, choosing race modes, revving to 4,000 rpm, and all that jazz.

Just on the tyres you drive daily on, stop where you stop, decent traction, not some rubbered up 1/4 mile launch area,.

get the 4.9 seconds or what ever VW / Audi says the car will do. More of these types of runs should be done now with the Newest Hot Hatches and Mega Hatches,

just how easily do they get the 0-62 mph Manufacturers times without revving them and drawing attention to yourself.

Even Mega cars with idiot proof launch control can have a bad day to 62 mph against a Budget price Warm Family Estate known to not be great 0-30 mph.

 

This is why we love DSG.

 

The video from Autocar says it all.  Why even entertain the manual for a measly £1300?  

 

I have had several of the DSGs, 6 and 7 speed, including the Fabia 2 VRS but I probably only tried the full blooded launch a couple of times in each car, I just have too much mechanical sympathy or perhaps it is not as mechanically dangerous as I thought?

 

Next car will have the Renault 6 speed EDC box or the new 7 speed one, can't decide.  Despite the Renault's holding the class B and C Ring times the accelerations are brilliant ie about 6 seconds to 60 for the Clio and 5 seconds for the Megane RS.   When you say standing quarter times of 14s and 13s respectively it does not sound so good.  About 11 to 12 seconds sounds right for a hot hatch 10-11 for a bike, but then you are up to well over 100 mph in that amount of time and bye bye licence for 30 mph over 77/79 mph limit.     

 

 

Time and time we hear the Fiesta is the best of the small hot hatches.  From long term ownership some say the suspension gets a little annoying being on the hard side but that is what people like on the test and have to live with during ownership.  

 

For me I am thinking more of the 220 Clio which addresses many of the Clio 200 RS issues or perhaps a Megane GT or even Megane RS but it is probably too hard core to do 25k miles a year in and I prefer DSG/EDC and we are not sure the new Megane will be just manual but I would bet it will get EDC and then have a crack at the segment C "Ring" record to steal it back from the Honda Civic Type R. 

Edited 30 January, 201610 yr by lol-lol

The RS 220 Trophy was brought out to sort out the short comings.

? Have you driven a 200 or 220 yet?

Edited 30 January, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

The straight line testing is a funny one. I like the way a lot of American magazines and videos do it, they use a roll out to illuminate the potential for a cocked up launch. My car for instance sometimes can virtually keep shoulder to shoulder with the old A45 and yet at other times it would struggle to see which was a Leon Cupra went. Perhaps it's a bit of an oddball as RWD sometimes offers great benefits and other times a serious handicap, it just depends on the driver and surface. Recently I was travelling a lot to and from work in a colleagues RS and the way it pulled away from the lights in the rain (useful when driving in a wet London with worn out road lane filter markings) was in a total different league to what my M135 could manage. In fact it felt like possibly a couple of leagues beyond anything my car could do.

 

All these modern hyper hatches are part time or full time 4x4 these days and you probably can't get entry into the club without it any more :( At least SEAT is still hanging on in there though and the M2 might just about scrape in there in a straight line timed run (conditions prevailing of course). Perhaps we put too much store in traction and not enough in handling?

The RS 220 Trophy was brought to sort out the short comings.

? Have you driven a 200 or 220 yet?

 

To be perfectly honest will probably end up with something like this.....(Megane, 220hp GT) by garage has this one for £15K with 7K miles.

 

Yes it is only mildly warmish ie 0-60 in 7 seconds, compared to 6 second for the RSs but it is living with it day to day. Hopefully the new Megane should have in the low 300s hp and may be very tempted although with the Euro now below 1.3 to the GBP all Euro-boxes will cost more.

 

Perhaps there will be a fairly warm Honda Type S as the Type R is a bit hard core/ride.  So many cars, so little time.    

 

 

Yes handling should come into it, 

like if you are nipping on when on the UK roads getting around the bends with the car you are in on your own side of the road, 

able to stay there and no back end hanging out one way on another into the other drivers side of the road.

Edited 30 January, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

I'm not disagreeing with you and the game has definitely moved on a bit but imo any hatch capable of 0-60 in under say 7.5 seconds is still a hot hatch, my Abarth just misses out on the this but yeh I would say it's only look warm.

 

All of the new "super hatches" that are 5ish seconds to 60 have compromises, barring only probably the Golf R and now maybe, just maybe, the new Focus RS.

Which Abarth do you have?

 

Btw, don't forget the RS3, A45 (3 versions)

Yes handling should come into it, 

like if you are nipping on when on the UK roads getting around the bends with the car you are in on your own side of the road, 

able to stay there and no back end hanging out one way on another into the other drivers side of the road.

 

Why would you want to hang the back end of your car out if you can't see if the road is clear? That seems very dangerous to me

Edited 30 January, 201610 yr by Lady Elanore

You do not know if roads are clear on blind bends now do you, when the tail is out.

Well you do when you have camera men and people on phones or radios telling you the run is clear!!

You do not know if roads are clear on blind bends now do you, when the tail is out.

Well you do when you have camera men and people on phones or radios telling you the run is clear!!

I wouldn't want to put the tail out if I couldn't see around a bend! That would be stupid and irresponsible.

You would wouldnt you.  

Good if you can get around the corner as quick as others and the car does stay in control with traction between tyres and road surface.

The Ultimate Driving machine seemed to be a draw to many not the Driving Gods they think they are.

Then there are driving gods that know when and where you can switch off electrics and push on.

(8 mins 15 is like where i often see those coming towards me with all the gear and no idea.)

Edited 30 January, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

You would wouldnt you.  

 

 

No, I would not. Perhaps that's your bag?

 

I remember when the 205GTi was the rage and it had the most savage lift-off oversteer. Many were parked backwards through a hedge :(

 

It's not about FWD or RWD, it's about enjoying your car within it's, and your, limits. Some people prefer understeer, some oversteer, even F1 drivers fall into this category to an extent. There is no right and wrong, I just know which I prefer and either you just hate BMWs or I can tell which you prefer (don't' worry it doesn't make you any less of a man)

'You would wouldnt you' was a reply to your,  'You would have to be stupid and irresponsible'. I was not calling you stupid.

(it was not Broken English was it?) Maybe bad grammar though.

 

By the way i have owned BMW's. 

and i am perfectly in touch with my feminine side, wear pink and every thing.

So pushers pullers, sliders drivers i have experienced them just as you have.

On my own side of the road.

Edited 30 January, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

'You would wouldnt you' was a reply to your,  'You would have to be stupid and irresponsible'. I was not calling you stupid.

(it was not Broken English was it?) Maybe bad grammar though.

 

By the way i have owned BMW's. 

and i am perfectly in touch with my feminine side, wear pink and every thing.

I would pay to see you in pink

I am not cheap. But you can see me in pink anytime you please for free.

Actually watch a Mr Blobby video, you will get the idea.

Edited 30 January, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

I am not cheap. But you can see me in pink anytime you please for free.

Shall I send you my private email addy?

No thanks really,