47 minutes ago, Warrior193 said:

Just mind you don't get caught using the "safety camera" data in La Belle France, they take rather a dim view of that. 

 

The bloody French are dim about most things!

 

3 hours ago, Warrior193 said:

Just mind you don't get caught using the "safety camera" data in La Belle France, they take rather a dim view of that. 

Ok but have addressed this by using a safety triangle as the "safety" warning

12 hours ago, GeorgeB said:

Ok but have addressed this by using a safety triangle as the "safety" warning

Do the Gendarmes buy that or do you pretend that the nav system is offline when they ask?  

6 hours ago, Warrior193 said:

Do the Gendarmes buy that or do you pretend that the nav system is offline when they ask?  

 

You are allowed to have a warning for "Danger Zones" in France, thats how portable devices get round it, it just so happens that most danger zones have a speed camera in then!

13 hours ago, Warrior193 said:

Do the Gendarmes buy that or do you pretend that the nav system is offline when they ask?  

 

In the UK it's called the "Ways & Means Act" and is practiced by police forces around the globe.

The French police don't have the powers to demand to see the navigation display if it's not already being displayed in plain view nor to interfere with the device to enable it themselves unless they have special grounds, such as being involved in a collision or having already seen it in use before stopping you. The latter is more likely to be one of those devices people stick on the inside of their windscreens and they'd have to be fairly eagle-eyed to claim they'd seen it displaying camera icons.

It doesn't mean they cannot ask to see the display at a routine stop but you're under no legal obligation to comply. The expectancy is that most people may not know this so will comply, or they feel intimidated into complying, and that's what we call the "Ways & Means Act". In the unlikely event of it happening to you, just remember to always be polite when declining. Upsetting or antagonising Le Flic is a guarantee for a world of hurt.

 

Prykey is correct about cameras and danger zones but it only applies to static cameras. The other quirk is that static cameras can only be placed within these designated "danger zones". There are no such restrictions on mobile enforcement or static cameras placed at what are deemed "special locations" such as roadworks.

 

The above applies solely to France.

 

Whilst France were the first to introduce restrictions, others have followed. Germany are even stricter and Switzerland have now tightened their rules to match. In Germany any kind of camera detection or warning device is verboten whether switched on or not, including built-in SatNavs, and there they do have the power to check for themselves. The law only applies to a moving vehicle - if the vehicle hasn't been seen to be driven, then no enforcement is possible. There is, however, little if any enforcement being carried out (from the horses mouth, so to speak. I have relatives in the Polizei. They're far more concerned about the use of mobile phones). I can't speak for the Swiss so just bear in mind Germany is pro the motor car, Switzerland isn't.

 

Spain, Austria and Italy allow GPS-based warning devices but not any form of passive detector. The Spanish Government even publish a GPS-based speed camera app!

 

Almost all other European countries have no restriction on GPS or passive detection.

 

Also bear in mind that until now the "other" EU countries have not been able to enforce post-incident speeding penalties on UK or Irish drivers. In other words they needed to catch you to fine you or, if driving a hire car, the fine was taken from your credit card. This should all change in May this year when an EU-wide agreement that includes UK and Ireland comes into force that not only enables you to be fined by post but also have penalty points placed on your domestic driving licence, effectively as if you'd committed the offence in your home country.

Switzerland, not part of the EU, have ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Reader) located in most major towns and near many of their busiest border crossings which are regularly updated with foreign vehicles caught on speed cameras. If triggered, the local law enforcement are informed.

 

E&OE 

10 hours ago, BillyJim said:

 

In the UK it's called the "Ways & Means Act" and is practiced by police forces around the globe.

The French police don't have the powers to demand to see the navigation display if it's not already being displayed in plain view nor to interfere with the device to enable it themselves unless they have special grounds, such as being involved in a collision or having already seen it in use before stopping you. The latter is more likely to be one of those devices people stick on the inside of their windscreens and they'd have to be fairly eagle-eyed to claim they'd seen it displaying camera icons.

It doesn't mean they cannot ask to see the display at a routine stop but you're under no legal obligation to comply. The expectancy is that most people may not know this so will comply, or they feel intimidated into complying, and that's what we call the "Ways & Means Act". In the unlikely event of it happening to you, just remember to always be polite when declining. Upsetting or antagonising Le Flic is a guarantee for a world of hurt.

 

Prykey is correct about cameras and danger zones but it only applies to static cameras. The other quirk is that static cameras can only be placed within these designated "danger zones". There are no such restrictions on mobile enforcement or static cameras placed at what are deemed "special locations" such as roadworks.

 

The above applies solely to France.

 

Whilst France were the first to introduce restrictions, others have followed. Germany are even stricter and Switzerland have now tightened their rules to match. In Germany any kind of camera detection or warning device is verboten whether switched on or not, including built-in SatNavs, and there they do have the power to check for themselves. The law only applies to a moving vehicle - if the vehicle hasn't been seen to be driven, then no enforcement is possible. There is, however, little if any enforcement being carried out (from the horses mouth, so to speak. I have relatives in the Polizei. They're far more concerned about the use of mobile phones). I can't speak for the Swiss so just bear in mind Germany is pro the motor car, Switzerland isn't.

 

Spain, Austria and Italy allow GPS-based warning devices but not any form of passive detector. The Spanish Government even publish a GPS-based speed camera app!

 

Almost all other European countries have no restriction on GPS or passive detection.

 

Also bear in mind that until now the "other" EU countries have not been able to enforce post-incident speeding penalties on UK or Irish drivers. In other words they needed to catch you to fine you or, if driving a hire car, the fine was taken from your credit card. This should all change in May this year when an EU-wide agreement that includes UK and Ireland comes into force that not only enables you to be fined by post but also have penalty points placed on your domestic driving licence, effectively as if you'd committed the offence in your home country.

Switzerland, not part of the EU, have ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Reader) located in most major towns and near many of their busiest border crossings which are regularly updated with foreign vehicles caught on speed cameras. If triggered, the local law enforcement are informed.

 

E&OE 

Thanks for that comprehensive explanation BillyJim, best explanation I've seen.

The other thing to remember in France if you are traveling on Toll Sections of the Autoroute Network is do not speed unless you stop at a services to "lose some time" as they measure the time between taking the peage ticket and presenting it, if you have traveled that distance too quickly you will get a ticket for speeding and all the unpleasant things that goes with it in France.

 

As BillyJim says it is best not to upset or antagonize Le Flic especially if they are of the CRS variety as they are nasty pieces of work.   

15 minutes ago, Prykey said:

The other thing to remember in France if you are traveling on Toll Sections of the Autoroute Network is do not speed unless you stop at a services to "lose some time" as they measure the time between taking the peage ticket and presenting it, if you have traveled that distance too quickly you will get a ticket for speeding and all the unpleasant things that goes with it in France.

 

As BillyJim says it is best not to upset or antagonize Le Flic especially if they are of the CRS variety as they are nasty pieces of work.   

I saw that happening one August weekend. The toll operators were giving the flics the nod when the ticket showed they had been speeding.

It was very funny to watch when a Ferrari pulled up. All the flics started to move towards the kiosk and the operator ruefully shook her head. 

3 hours ago, Prykey said:

The other thing to remember in France if you are traveling on Toll Sections of the Autoroute Network is do not speed unless you stop at a services to "lose some time" as they measure the time between taking the peage ticket and presenting it, if you have traveled that distance too quickly you will get a ticket for speeding and all the unpleasant things that goes with it in France.

 

As BillyJim says it is best not to upset or antagonize Le Flic especially if they are of the CRS variety as they are nasty pieces of work.   

 

I totally agree with Prykey's & BillyJims's comments " As BillyJim says it is best not to upset or antagonize Le Flic especially if they are of the CRS variety as they are nasty pieces of work".

 

However 3 things to bear in mind, re Toll booth operators "tipping the wink" re speeding between tolls, firstly, that's been illegal in France since about 2007. After a French national contested it in court & as I remember it, it went all the way up to the French version of the Supreme Court & they stated that the Gendarmerie could not rely on the time stamps on the ticket  as they were not synchronised with each & every toll booth on the French Peage system, plus they couldn't possibly work out on the spot, the speed travelled over the sections as there was the potential of variable sped limits over those sections, so if you are stitched up this way....contest it (but Remember, KEEP CALM, be polite but firm & under NO circumstances upset or antagonise Le Flic) & if it goes to the local Prefecture (& it most probably would) it will be dismissed! Secondly, most of the toll booths are now automated...so no operators needed. & lastly, that's why there are now so many speed cameras on the French Autoroute's.

 

Not that I would recommend or condone speeding anywhere in France as the "Le Flic" do have draconian powers when dealing with someone caught speeding, including confiscation of your driving license & in severe infringements, even your car!

I neglected to mention that was an August quite some time ago!!!!

That's the trouble as you get older, you start reminiscing about the old days. 

I've been playing with getting Camera locations working also; managed to get it running (using the VW utility in German and the PocketGPSWorld CSV database)...

 

If anyone needs a guide i'd be happy to put one together.

I for one would love to see a guide, thank you for the offer.

 I'm already a subscriber to PocketGPSWorld and use their database both in Garmins and TomToms.

I'll take a look at throwing one together today...

try this as a STARTER from the MKII forum - note post 3 + 4

Guys there's already a step by step guide by BillyJim on the first page of the thread... or am I missing something? You just need to substitute the text file generated by the German VW site for the older working version, uploaded by Rifleman here.

6 hours ago, Rainmaker said:

Guys there's already a step by step guide by BillyJim on the first page of the thread... or am I missing something? You just need to substitute the text file generated by the German VW site for the older working version, uploaded by Rifleman here.

 

 Thanks, I hadn't seen that.

Here's my attempt at a guide for loading speed camera locations on the Amundsen; please feel free to make any comments / suggestions and I can always try to improve it.

custom-poi-loading.pdf

 Excellent, even for an idiot like me, simples.

 Thank you, much appreciated.

Hi,

 

I get this worked earlier this year but now I can't find that VW converting site. Those links won't work anymore.

Is it now working through Skoda converting site?

2 hours ago, __Pete said:

Hi,

 

I get this worked earlier this year but now I can't find that VW converting site. Those links won't work anymore.

Is it now working through Skoda converting site?

 

Try this....it works!

On 12/05/2017 at 11:02, Rainmaker said:

Guys there's already a step by step guide by BillyJim on the first page of the thread... or am I missing something? You just need to substitute the text file generated by the German VW site for the older working version, uploaded by Rifleman here.

 

GeorgeB, did you try to do that now?

 

As I told I have done that earlier (on January) but now if I use that link VW POI site, that POI generator isn't there anymore (I go to site which you can see in attachment).

I know that it worked earlier fine but now it seems to me that  .

So does someone no if it has moved to othere destination or what?

Maybe I'm only one who has this problem if you can use it normally.

 

I made a thread recently about that Pete. It came back again but now it's broken once more. I sent Skoda an email about their own site being broken, and included the server error logs. They replied to say there's nothing wrong with it but if it happened again to email back with a copy of the error. 

 

Perhaps if everyone in this thread tries to use the Skoda my destinations site and sends a complaint and a copy of the server error log they may actually fix it for us. It's ridiculous we spend all this money then have to resort to using a sister company's German website for basic functionality. 

Edited 23 June, 20178 yr by Rainmaker

1 hour ago, __Pete said:

GeorgeB, did you try to do that now?

 

As I told I have done that earlier (on January) but now if I use that link VW POI site, that POI generator isn't there anymore (I go to site which you can see in attachment).

I know that it worked earlier fine but now it seems to me that  .

So does someone no if it has moved to othere destination or what?

Maybe I'm only one who has this problem if you can use it normally.

 

 

Hi Rob,

 

Use this link....http://www.volkswagen-nav-companion.de/mib/ppoi/ppoi.jsf

George B, I will test that but as I just tested link it looks good. Thank you.

 

Rainmaker:

I made complaint to Skoda about their system and got answer as quite many here that they will investigate it.
That was january so maybe I should make complaint again.

I have asked some other question also from Skoda concerning Octavia which I had before this Superb and now about Superb.

Answer are always similar and they don't really answer to anything. 

 

Some things will go through when I have asked several times like electrical compartment door programming to close from key and inside button.

That time it didn't work on Octavia because of Safety reasons but worked on Superb.

 

Well now it doesn't work on new Superb and it cannot be programmed either.

But this is out of topic. It was just one example that how their customer service is working (or more likely not working).

Unfortunately Pete I have to agree with you. Skoda customer service is very poor indeed. In fact in all the brands of car I've dealt with over the years they are far and away the worst. You can't win them all I suppose.