Meteor Grey, with a sunroof

 

Has to be a 230, with the kit of a 230 its a no brainer

I have a diesel and get no more than 42mpg.

I've also had under 20 doing many short runs due to the dpf. If you do lots of short runs you just gets loads of interrupted regeneration cycles that chew fuel and sap power.

Unless you're doing massive miles the diesel just doesn't make sense to me.

Unfortunately I worked on the principle that Skoda was lying about the same on petrol and diesel mpg. Appears not.

There are two main plus points for a privately owned diesel.

#1. ~40% superior fuel economy.

#2. Historically better residual values.

For low mileage drivers #1 is not such an issue. With emissions taxes on heavy-metal producing diesels likely to be ramped up in the near future #2 will greatly diminish. For private ownership go for petrol unless you do high miles.

I've got a TDi DSG with a tuning box fitted. 

 

50+ easy when taking it steady. 0-60 in 6.3 seconds with the toe in.

 

Must say that I wish I had gone for the petrol in hindsight but then I'd be saying the same if I'd have bought the petrol too

If I'm honest I miss the lazy torque of a diesel. It could be that I'm used to a dual mass flywheel (that's my excuse) but I have struggled to adapt to the tsi gear changes. After a year I still make mostly lurching changes as the bite point is really small and hard to change smoothly. Maybe it's just me. The clutch, I noticed, is very slow to rise.take your foot off it quickly and it takes longer to return than your foot.

i might be biased having the TDI myself and never actually driven the petrol (i actually can't remember the last time i drove a petrol) but the TDI doesn't lack power has mountains of torque with the added benefit of the higher MPG.

 

might be worth taking them for a test run and seeing what you think? 

If I'm honest I miss the lazy torque of a diesel.

 

 

i might be biased having the TDI myself and never actually driven the petrol (i actually can't remember the last time i drove a petrol) but the TDI doesn't lack power has mountains of torque with the added benefit of the higher MPG.

 

might be worth taking them for a test run and seeing what you think? 

 

Two very good points, 

 

Annual mileage is pretty irrelevant, what is important is the mileage you do each journey, 5 miles each way then it would be a petrol, longer trips (over 10 miles) then consider the diesel, they both produce their power differently, the diesel will be on tap instantly but will run out of puff earlier, the petrol will require more revs.

 

Personally I love the torque of big 6cyl+ petrols, failing that if its going to be a 4 cylinder then its diesel for me.

Newer diesels are pretty quiet, I have coded a couple of petrol vRS’s that have rattled more than a diesel!

 

Drive them both and see which one you prefer.

Edited 9 July, 20169 yr by Gizmo68

If I'm honest I miss the lazy torque of a diesel. It could be that I'm used to a dual mass flywheel (that's my excuse) but I have struggled to adapt to the tsi gear changes. After a year I still make mostly lurching changes as the bite point is really small and hard to change smoothly. Maybe it's just me. The clutch, I noticed, is very slow to rise.take your foot off it quickly and it takes longer to return than your foot.

You seem to be suffering similar issues to the original clutch on my VRS TSI. Bite point was tiny and really high up the pedal on mine. I thought it was a trait of the car but my clutch began to slip at just 15K (carefully driven) miles and had to be replaced at 17k miles. My replacement clutch feels completely different (normal).

Definitely have your dealer check it out, or drive another car to compare. Skoda refuses to cover my clutch under warranty and I am having to reclaim my costs via other means, so report any concerns asap.

Sorry to hijack the thread.

Edit: The VRS has a dual mass flywheel so you are not missing it.

Edited 9 July, 20169 yr by Orville

Thanks lads,keep on twisting my arm!! The superb 170 4x4 dsg we run 46 is the highest mpg ever had on maxi dot so thinking maybe pretty close.mind I never get in the 20s lol........

I've seen 42 mpg on the maxidot in my 2.0 TSi Superb, on a weekly run home in the late evening. Managed (just) 36 mpg in the R this week, same route & speeds.

 

I'd never consider a diesel vRS, life isn't just about fuel economy, there has to be some fun even in the daily driver.

 

DC

You seem to be suffering similar issues to the original clutch on my VRS TSI. Bite point was tiny and really high up the pedal on mine. I thought it was a trait of the car but my clutch began to slip at just 15K (carefully driven) miles and had to be replaced at 17k miles. My replacement clutch feels completely different (normal).

Definitely have your dealer check it out, or drive another car to compare. Skoda refuses to cover my clutch under warranty and I am having to reclaim my costs via other means, so report any concerns asap.

Sorry to hijack the thread.

Edit: The VRS has a dual mass flywheel so you are not missing it.

Sadly I've had that conversation. I also sat in a brand new model and bit has the same feature of the clutch pedal having this almost 2 inches if travel where the return speed (as the pedal comes up from the floor) is not linear, it's almost like it has a section of friction. I understand it's a feature of hydraulic clutches such as this. I do struggle driving the car in a smooth manner and I've never had something quite like this. I don't think it's faulty, I just haven't manged to adapt my driving style to it at all even after all this time. The bite point is tiny.

Dealer said they found nothing different from any other car.

Edited 9 July, 20169 yr by Mallettsmallett

I've got a vRS TDI. On that mileage I'd be looking at Petrol. if you are doing lots of short trips with Start Stop traffic the regens will not help MPG.

 

I'm jus over 5K of mainly stop/start and average of 20MPH I have 42MPG :no:  .

 

Mind you I'm sure with that lovely 220 Petrol it would encourage me to drive in the teens  :peek:

Edited 9 July, 20169 yr by davitc

My oiler vRS, whilst still new, isnt very economical.... Last month I did just over 3k miles & used £400 of diesel!!! Worked out to be 39.4 mpg...... If I would have been screwing it constantly I hate to think what it would be.... Them 3k miles included a long motorway drive from West Wales to Kent & back.... I have read people getting late 30's out of the petrols, so with you doing just 8k miles pa, ABSOLUTELY go for the nice, smooth, quiet petrol especially if you're going DSG, I find the marriage of DSG & turbo diesel to be pretty $hite to be honest.......

I had my diesel vrs for 2500 miles and averaged 46mpg. I could easily get over 50 on a motorway run with a light right foot. A 39.4 in the diesel would likely have been 30 in the petrol. I had dsg and it worked great no issues at all, very smooth and flexible it's only really the stop start that is a pain in the DSG but that is petrol or diesel. Loads of torque 2000-4000 revs. I've just changed to a Porsche Boxster (315 Bhp) and the diesel vrs felt quicker under 4000 revs.

Two very good points,

Annual mileage is pretty irrelevant, what is important is the mileage you do each journey, 5 miles each way then it would be a petrol, longer trips (over 10 miles) then consider the diesel, they both produce their power differently, the diesel will be on tap instantly but will run out of puff earlier, the petrol will require more revs.

Personally I love the torque of big 6cyl+ petrols, failing that if its going to be a 4 cylinder then its diesel for me.

Newer diesels are pretty quiet, I have coded a couple of petrol vRS’s that have rattled more than a diesel!

Drive them both and see which one you prefer.

Having had several modern diesels and petrols and some older big petrols a turbo petrol will take off much like a turbo diesel... a little lag whilst boost builds but then boom and off they go. I found the TSI had better throttle response than a diesel by some margin and you really don't need to rev it out like a normally aspirated petrol to make fast progress.

My wife now has an e46 330 which is silky smooth and the throttle response is much better than the TSI however it feels much slower (its not) as when cruising if you want it to go you have to drop a few gears and keep the revs above 4500k. Im pretty sure it makes about 50nm less torque than the TSI and that it makes it higher in the rpm range.

The modern turbo petrols give you plenty of grunt through the whole rpm range like a diesel yet the rpm range is bigger. Utterly effortless :-D

I drove diesels for 15 years before moving to the petrol VRS and I never want to go back!

 

The last diesel before my current VRS was a 2.0TDI 140 lump in an Octavia Scout with 320Nm torque across a rev range of 1500-3000ish, whereas the petrol has 350Nm across 1750-4500 and is just great to rev.

Having had several modern diesels and petrols and some older big petrols a turbo petrol will take off much like a turbo diesel... a little lag whilst boost builds but then boom and off they go. I found the TSI had better throttle response than a diesel by some margin and you really don't need to rev it out like a normally aspirated petrol to make fast progress.

My wife now has an e46 330 which is silky smooth and the throttle response is much better than the TSI however it feels much slower (its not) as when cruising if you want it to go you have to drop a few gears and keep the revs above 4500k. Im pretty sure it makes about 50nm less torque than the TSI and that it makes it higher in the rpm range.

The modern turbo petrols give you plenty of grunt through the whole rpm range like a diesel yet the rpm range is bigger. Utterly effortless :-D

Big +1 !

 

We find it unusual to need to get past 3k RPM in "normal" driving & perhaps 4+K 'ish if we are in a hurry.

 

My old Mondy 3.0 v6 was smoother but it didn't have the same low-end grunt as our 2.0 TSi's, albeit that the Golf R seems to be lacking in torque under 1500 rpm. 

but it's still a bit tight & has a much bigger turbo than the other two cars.

 

Unless running costs are a very big deal (very possible if you commute & / or do 12 / 15K annual mileage) then a diesel vRS isn't quite the car it should be.

 

As for clutch acton, the 1.6 D Octy we had as a rental in Spain last year was OK, but since I very rarely drive a manual car it's hard to say if it felt "normal".

I got used to it, but hated the engine / tranny combination, even though it did manage 55'ish mpg, that's still not a good reason for me to want to own it!

 

DC

The diesel VRS really isn't much of a compromise over the petrol... but at 8k miles per-year you don't need to make ANY compromises, so go petrol.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love my diesel VRS, especially since it has been remapped (Revo) and drives incredibly well with smooth power delivery over a wide rev range and a much stronger top-end. I get 55+ MPG most journeys now too! The difference is those journeys are 40 miles long, twice a day, which would be far, far too expensive in a petrol. It would feel harder work too, given the effortless, lazy cruising feel of the diesel. The diesel VRS makes total and utter sense.

 

If I were doing less miles, I would buy petrol.

I have a VRS diesel and at one point it was off the road for a month so the dealer lent me the same spec car but in petrol and for my usage the diesel is better, i get without trying 850 - 900km per tank with the diesel and the petrol I was getting 650-700km per tank. on top of that the 98octane fuel is far more expensive that diesel approx $8 per tank to go 200km less distance. but the petrol was a lot of fun when the revs were kept up.

 

Adding a Tuning box to the Diesel has had a marginal improvement in economy but a big improvement in the fun factor.

my average MPG is around 49 (over 31,000km)

Like LondonLes I've driven diesel for many years. My previous octavia mk2FL was diesel. My current is petrol. Why?

My mileage is probably 10-12k a year. Most of which is town/traffic work. The previous mk2FL was stating to have issues with the dpf.

So with that in mind I went for petrol. Do I regret it? Mostly no not at all. It's fine on fuel and refined. Sure it won't get the magic diesel numbers on consumption, but overall on the longterm computer I'm getting 38+ which if I'm honest is not far off the mk2FL.

I even got 50.5mpg on a run

*all trip computer figures

Petrol vote here

Had my diesel VRS for 2 years with DTUK box and pedal. 240ps and 500Nm torque but can still return 60+ mpg and has never dropped below 40 mpg. Average over 2 years is sitting at about 50 mpg. Been fantastic and never missed a beat. just ordered a new one for 1st September delivery. For me it's the best combination of Performance v Economy.

Had my diesel VRS for 2 years with DTUK box and pedal. 240ps and 500Nm torque but can still return 60+ mpg and has never dropped below 40 mpg. Average over 2 years is sitting at about 50 mpg. Been fantastic and never missed a beat. just ordered a new one for 1st September delivery. For me it's the best combination of Performance v Economy.

 

Have you measured the power output or is this what DTUK has said?

Have you measured the power output or is this what DTUK has said?

From DTUK website. The system was developed and tested on a vrs 184 model of car so should be good. Just removed my system this week and the difference back to standard is huge.

I had both, i'm driving a 2013 Passat TDI with 200bhp. When i had my TFSI and it was the same power output around 200bhp there is 15-20 mpg difference and performance similiar too. Maybe over 8k wouldn't be much of a difference but i do 30k a year. But my next car is the Passat BiTurbo TDI 240 ps 4motion 0-62 6.1 secs sod the 230 vrs LOL

I'm going from a 2008 Mk2 vRS diesel bought new to a 230 vRS. Loved the torque of the diesel and well able to hold its own , but my downside was the fact I was doing very low mileage or kilometreage over the years. I have spent nearly €1800 on diesel related problems over the years. I would much rather put this type of money in the tank than give it to a mechanic. My car will be traded next week with 99K Kms on the clock.