39 minutes ago, MoggyTech said:

This is a common trait on even top end DSG gearboxes. My mates Merc is terrible. I have a 1.4TSi 7 Speed DSG and when traffic is stop start, or busy, I just stick it into manual mode. It's called 'driving' rather than thinking a few lines of software code will always select the right gear. It isn't rocket science.

I didn't like the DSG I test drove - I think that the stick is back to front when using it in manual mode, I would prefer forward for downshift, back for upshift. The Skoda setup just felt wrong.  Now paddles would probably have been OK, but the dealer didn't have one of those for a try. 

1 hour ago, MoggyTech said:

This is a common trait on even top end DSG gearboxes. My mates Merc is terrible. I have a 1.4TSi 7 Speed DSG and when traffic is stop start, or busy, I just stick it into manual mode. It's called 'driving' rather than thinking a few lines of software code will always select the right gear. It isn't rocket science.

+1.

There's a VCDS adaptation that I saw on the S3 section that apparently removes the delay on a DSG take off by altering the behaviour of the throttle peddle.

 

might be worth a try before forking out for a pedal box

11 hours ago, DaggersOctavia said:

 

not sure where I read that the new  7 speed wet clutch box was replacing the 7 speed dry clutch DQ 200  ,cant find the article now ,perhaps I misunderstood, but I'm sure it said the DQ200 was being discontinued.

The only mention I've heard of the 7 speed wet DSG was that its going to be in the vRS245 but, I've heard nothing of the 7 speed dry DSG being replaced

Edited 10 March, 20179 yr by themanwithnoaim

7 hours ago, LewJo said:

There's a VCDS adaptation that I saw on the S3 section that apparently removes the delay on a DSG take off by altering the behaviour of the throttle peddle.

 

might be worth a try before forking out for a pedal box

 

Ah, the "Audi" setting? I tried it, didn't make any difference.

The 7 Speed Wet Clutch DSG is going in the 'Skoda Kodiaq'. 

& there is a 1.4 TSI 150ps going in the Kodiaq, the Skoda Brochure on the Kodiak has confusing spec on the DSG that is fitted with the 1.4TSI Kodiak.

 

It is a real shame that Octavia owners of 1.4TSI / DSG are accepting when they have a poorly set up vehicle from the factory and that any Skoda Dealership Employee or Skoda UK Employee should be saying that something not properly working is acceptable.

 

If running 95 ron petrol is a factor in the Engine / DSG not being in perfect harmony, or it is a pedal position / software issue then Skoda UK should come out and admit some vehicles need attention.

Edited 10 March, 20179 yr by Awayoffski

10 hours ago, MoggyTech said:

This is a common trait on even top end DSG gearboxes. My mates Merc is terrible. I have a 1.4TSi 7 Speed DSG and when traffic is stop start, or busy, I just stick it into manual mode. It's called 'driving' rather than thinking a few lines of software code will always select the right gear. It isn't rocket science.

 

If I wanted to bother changing gears myself I would have got a different gearbox , its called a "manual" lol.

the problem isn't which gear the car is in whilst in traffic, its when you slow down approaching roundabouts, junctions, or indeed yes in traffic , slowing down under 5 mph , if you release the brake and apply throttle, there is a momentary delay between asking for power, and the car actually giving it , its that hesitation we are complaining about. the gearbox isn't deciding which gear to select , perhaps leaving it in manual would remove the problem, as does leaving the gearbox in sport, but , we shouldn't have to make allowances for VW`s iffy gearbox programming. Driving it in manual should be a choice you make because you want too, not because you have too because the gearbox doesn't work properly in all situations !.

They charge enough to supply the car with the DSG gearbox, it should work correctly all the time.

You bought an Automated Manual that those with only an Automatic Licence can drive.

 

Some Dealerships / Employees are actually telling Owners with a Skoda Manufacturers Warranty or Used Car Warranty that the DSG 

Clutch Packs are not covered because the Twin Dry Clutch DSG's are actually treated the same as a Manual Gearbox.

 

But then Skoda Employees and Skoda often try saying lots when it is Manufacturing, Design, Material or Software failures / issues.

Pretty much taking the parent companies line.

Just say 'The all do that', Just a characteristic!

I have this hesitation too on MY16 vRS diesel DSG and on my opinion this caused by the gearbox keeping the gear in 2nd not changing down to 1st if you don`t stop completely. From 2nd gear start at 5mph or less the box will "slip" the clutch hence the hesitation. You really have to push the throttle to get the gear down to 1st and it shoots off like a scared rabbit. Almost a year of usage I got used to it and what I do is either stop or flick it in Sport and go 

Are you sure this is a DSG issue, and not just the 1.4 turbo engine needing a finite amount of time to go from sipping fuel to positively guzzling it? 

36 minutes ago, TDIum said:

Are you sure this is a DSG issue, and not just the 1.4 turbo engine needing a finite amount of time to go from sipping fuel to positively guzzling it? 

Pretty much yes. It's a combination of emissions settings, gearing. If you watch various episodes of Top Gear, you often see Jeremy swearing at DSG cars that cost upwards of £100,000 I went from a 2.0 CR VRS manual, to the 1.4TSi as I needed an automatic due to a wrist injury. The VRS was also sluggish at low speeds if you followed the maxidot recommended gear. 

 

There have been some truly awful auto box cars, the Smart car being the worst I have ever driven. The OP is obviously not happy with his car so he has a few options. Get rid of it, accept it's how it is and learn to drive around the trait, or use sport mode or manual in slow traffic. I experienced this lag when I first got my car, checked another car, same lag. Altered my driving style in slow traffic, no lag.

 

If he persists in berating Skoda, time would be better spent with a brick wall, and banging his head off same.

I have the exact same problem with my 1.6 tdi. Initially I was looking into getting the DSG remapped:

 

http://www.sinspeedtuning.co.uk/dsg-gearbox-remapping-software-upgrade/

 

But will try the sport mode trick first to see if that works for me.

 

Edit: car just gone in for MOT and "free all round wheel check" plus 34H5 dsg update so not sure if that will make any difference

Edited 10 March, 20179 yr by ShehzadQureshi
More info

54 minutes ago, ShehzadQureshi said:

I have the exact same problem with my 1.6 tdi. Initially I was looking into getting the DSG remapped:

 

http://www.sinspeedtuning.co.uk/dsg-gearbox-remapping-software-upgrade/

 

But will try the sport mode trick first to see if that works for me.

 

Edit: car just gone in for MOT and "free all round wheel check" plus 34H5 dsg update so not sure if that will make any difference

That update is to prevent overheating and or too high pressure in the mechatronics unit of the gearbox. You may find after the update, the car will feel sluggish off the line, but once the software learns your driving style it will be fine. It's a mystery as to which cars need this update, but from what I can gather it's diesel engines only. 

^^^ Who or where is the source of the information you are gathering, is it from the VW Group or employees of the said Secret Service Corporation?

 

34H5 has been getting carried out on DQ200 DSG fitted to Petrol Engines.

The first poster on the subject in the Mk2 Fabia section had it carried out on a 1.2 TSI / DSG.

Then a owner of a 2013 1.4 TSI Twincharger Fabia vRS has had the Service Campaign 34H5 carried out.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/425419-dsg-gearbox 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/422718-rapid-recall-dsg 

 

As usual 'Service Campaign' / 'Recall Actions'  confusion (internet forum mis-information) and mi-information due to Skoda / VW just not making a press release or giving the relevant information to Dealership, Employees and the Owners / Keepers of vehicles involved.

'Mushrooms' keep them in the dark and shovel them sharn, or do not even shovel them anything.

Edited 10 March, 20179 yr by Awayoffski

I was told my 34H5 update was done on warranty. Sticker in boot. Not driven much since so haven't had a chance to reproduce hesitation at junctions etc. Car does seem as if it's 'blank' and needs relearning my style. Parking on hills: gears (both D and R) seem to engage with a lot more certainty than before.

Warranties have nothing to do with it,  

'Service Campaigns' are because the Manufacturer has found some error on their part or something that needs doing as a preventative measure.

No favours are done by a dealer or manufacturer, they are protecting their back sides. 

Pay nothing extra to have a product of merchantable quality that you already bought for good money.  They are sorting out their Design, Manufacturing, materials, workmanship, software or quality control failings.

On 09/03/2017 at 22:51, themanwithnoaim said:

The reason sport mode hides the delay is because it has a more aggressive throttle software,  the DTUK pedalbox gives you a sport mode throttle when in Eco mode.

 

Its not rocket science and Skoda won't fix what they created that way so, if you don't want to lose a lot of money changing cars, buy a pedalbox.

THWNA converted me to the PedalBox after a test drive he arranged (He's a very nice guy) with one fitted and I now have one I fitted to my 1.4TSI, easy to do as long as you are a bit flexible as the connector is around the back of the go pedal and double joints are useful!

I have mine set on Eco with two lights (Never did get a guide to what the all the settings and lights meant!) and the car also in E mode, gives smooth driving, coasts on overrun and seems to improve MPG, not tested it as with my limited mileage I am not that concerned.

There is still a 'slight' hesitation but certainly not as it used to be which I also found scary at times (As mentioned in another thread).

I did see a YouTube video on one thread that went through the differences and responses of the DSG boxes and explained how they worked in trying to anticipate what it was expected  to do next. I just wish I could remember which thread it was in, a search on YouTube should bring it up.

I liked most things with the Octy except the DSG, (and the Amundsen with a mind of its own similar to Dementia at times) the PedalBox has made a big improvement. Look it up online and give them a ring, if you want to buy one mention this forum for a discount. IF your still not happy after running it for a few weeks you can always sell it to another member. A Sooooo much cheaper option than changing the car.

Maybe not this video but it is one that might interest some. 

 

I asked about the (34H5) DSG update when my Jan 2015 Yeti 1.2TSI was serviced just over 2 weeks ago.  The dealer could find no record of my car being listed for that update.

 

I found the advice below on VWVortex about driving a DSG-equipped car informative and useful.

 

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5989734-How-to-Play-The-DSG-Game-and-Win-DSG-Driving-Tips-and-Tricks

Edited 11 March, 20179 yr by DGW
Added link.

Good article. Explains that DSG is essentially 2 gearboxes, one handles the odd gears the other the evens.

Seems the hesitation occurs when you ask it to shift to a gear in the same box it's slow, whereas to a gear in the other box it's lightning quick.

They suggest various techniques to make it work better.

It's not the same as a torque convertor auto. If that's what you want VW group cars with DSG aren't for you.

On 09/03/2017 at 21:51, NotHappywithSkoda said:

toni8b - that's just what I don't want to do.  You then end up driving the car like a manual.  Fuel economy should be provided by selecting "E" mode on the DSG.  "D" should provide a smooth drive through all the gears with no hesitations.  Sure "S" mode gives it to you at low speed but then you end up over revving the car.  "D" should provide a happy medium through all gears with no hesitations.

 

 

The difference between eco and drive is nothing, stick it in drive and leave it there.

14 hours ago, Crogers said:

 

The difference between eco and drive is nothing, stick it in drive and leave it there.

 

Eco has the most difference as it allows the car to freewheel.

 

Not sure the over-run fuel cut-off kicks in as much as when the clutch is engaged so don't know how much is gained by it over all.

 

There is a lot of confusion between the "D" and "S" on the gearbox and "Eco", "Normal" and "Sport" from the mode selector or infotainment - the different "Sport" modes do different things.

 

Although there are certainly recall issues with the DQ200 I can't help feeling this is the same "problem" we all have with the DSG.

 

A lot is covered in that article linked to above, but this is what I have found

 

If if you are coasting to a stop with your foot off the throttle and then accelerate hard before you get to a stop the gearbox has kept a high "coasting gear" and not only is it in the wrong gear but it may not have preselected the lower gear yet either.

 

When you accelerate it will often need drop two gears, it may wait until it has selected the first and try it before it decides it needs to go one lower.

 

It may seem like a long time but if you think of the time it took in a manual when you were caught in the wrong gear, tried another and found you had to  drop again (and the advanced instructor does a ) at least the DSG has the excuse that it can't see the road ahead.

 

If you can see you will need to accelearate, there are a couple of things you can do.

 

"S" mode (gearbox) tends to hold a lower gear or two which is why it is not as much as an issue.

 

If you have paddles you can flick it one gear lower temporarily (still in "D") and it will only have one change to do.

 

Another thing that works is gently give the throttle a nudge as you coast and it gets the message. Easier with a peddle box or the "Audi" mod (if it works on your car) Increased throttle sensitivity may mean it drops two gears straight away without trying one first. 

 

Quite easy to blame the gearbox and I do myself sometimes, but have to keep telling myself it can't see the road ahead and it can't read my mind.

Edited 13 March, 20179 yr by flybynite

In Australia over 80% of new cars sales are automatics.

Most cars that are launched without an auto option flounder badly. The VW UP! didn't and despite being lauded in motoring reviews it flopped badly and was withdrawn (VW Australia did not consider the auto option as being up to standard).

 

This means that a sizeable portion of the motoring population does not know how to drive a manual, and the majority of these were brought up on torque converter boxes used in locally manufactured cars that dominated sales here at one time.

 

Naturally most Australian car reviews are of auto equipped models and the VW group vehicles cop a fair amount of flack regarding the topic of this thread. The associated comments attached to the reviews then fall into the two pro/con DSG camps, usually 50/50 so a lot more con sentiment than you usually find in this forum.

I always assumed it was the Australian driver's lack of experience with manual boxes that caused the higher number of issues.

 

To be fair I don't think you can beat a torque converter in heavy traffic, they really suit lazy driving, but of course the price is that they can be terribly inefficient although later versions have addressed that issue to a large degree.

 

I have only had limited experience with DSG boxes as I prefer manuals anyway, but I find them fine in traffic and exceptional when moving.

Funnily enough I have been disappointed with slush (torque converter) boxes, don't like CVT I have tried and would probably only be tempted with a DSG. I'll stick with manual while I can though.

Not sure how VW's compare with versions from other manufacturers such as Ford, Hyundai etc.

 

I would add that the 7speed dry DSG suffered a tremendously high rate of failure here a few years back due to our hot climate and the incorrect type of lubricant oil used. The local response for a long time was total denial of the issue and contrary to what Awayoffski suggested it was not the local government that eventually got VW to recognise there was a problem and fix it, but the rising roar of very public condemnation which was then reflected in the press.

The VW group have not really recovered from that error of judgement and many swore never to return to the brand.

 

Is there the possibility that individual DSG boxes are worse than others?

I have never really heard of someone such as this complainant having driven a similar model and found it better, or had someone else drive it and confirm that particular box has issues that need to be addressed.

 

 

 

Edited 13 March, 20179 yr by Gerrycan

?

How high was that 'tremendous rate of failures' that DQ200 DSG were suffering in Australia, 

were there figures released?

 

VW had a Diesel Engines failure issue  in Australia as well which was denied for a long time and a New CEO of VW Australia had to say sorry over that one.

That will be John White and after 2013 when they were going to fix 4,000 cars but not do a recall.

 

http://www.motoring.com.au/volkswagen-australia-recalls-dsg-cars-37051 

Be it your government or local government, courts, threat of courts or just people power Australia got a world wide recall along with the rest of the world from an issue that first arose in Malaysia.

Not that many DQ200 to recall in Australia really considering how many drive Automatics.

Even less in New Zealand obviously.

It was not just VW's though, Audi, Skoda & Seat's can have the same DQ200 7 speed twin dry clutch DSG's.

 

The home market of Europe had the same failings and was not part of the World Wide Recall or the extension of warranties because 

EU Governments let VW Group do Service Campaigns, not like a New Zealand service campaign though.

http://skoda.co.nz/news/dsg-service-campaign 

 

Now the DSG that did not get Synthetic oil in the MCU are now part of a new Service Campaign, or some are from some VW Plants.

Edited 13 March, 20179 yr by Awayoffski

1 hour ago, Gerrycan said:

In Australia over 80% of new cars sales are automatics.

Most cars that are launched without an auto option flounder badly. The VW UP! didn't and despite being lauded in motoring reviews it flopped badly and was withdrawn (VW Australia did not consider the auto option as being up to standard).

 

This means that a sizeable portion of the motoring population does not know how to drive a manual, and the majority of these were brought up on torque converter boxes used in locally manufactured cars that dominated sales here at one time.

 

Naturally most Australian car reviews are of auto equipped models and the VW group vehicles cop a fair amount of flack regarding the topic of this thread. The associated comments attached to the reviews then fall into the two pro/con DSG camps, usually 50/50 so a lot more con sentiment than you usually find in this forum.

I always assumed it was the Australian driver's lack of experience with manual boxes that caused the higher number of issues.

 

To be fair I don't think you can beat a torque converter in heavy traffic, they really suit lazy driving, but of course the price is that they can be terribly inefficient although later versions have addressed that issue to a large degree.

 

I have only had limited experience with DSG boxes as I prefer manuals anyway, but I find them fine in traffic and exceptional when moving.

Funnily enough I have been disappointed with slush (torque converter) boxes, don't like CVT I have tried and would probably only be tempted with a DSG. I'll stick with manual while I can though.

Not sure how VW's compare with versions from other manufacturers such as Ford, Hyundai etc.

 

I would add that the 7speed dry DSG suffered a tremendously high rate of failure here a few years back due to our hot climate and the incorrect type of lubricant oil used. The local response for a long time was total denial of the issue and contrary to what Awayoffski suggested it was not the local government that eventually got VW to recognise there was a problem and fix it, but the rising roar of very public condemnation which was then reflected in the press.

The VW group have not really recovered from that error of judgement and many swore never to return to the brand.

 

Is there the possibility that individual DSG boxes are worse than others?

I have never really heard of someone such as this complainant having driven a similar model and found it better, or had someone else drive it and confirm that particular box has issues that need to be addressed.

 

 

 

Hi Gerry, have you tried the Subaru CVT? - the one with 7 or 8 programmed "steps"