On 25/02/2020 at 00:38, Lady Elanore said:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-arteon-r-2020-hot-saloon-will-be-joined-shooting-brake

 

😞  Still 329bhp isn't all bad 

 

Adequate but that's all 😈

I'm beginning to think 400-499 bhp isn't enough 

Future Green option?

 

 

They have lost the plot now in Germany. Where are they getting the designers from?

1 minute ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

They have lost the plot now in Germany. Where are they getting the designers from?

Specsavers.

Sadly not.

They are pretty bad at eye testing & prescribing but they would have given anyone showing that to them a hard slap on the back of the head.

 

 

 

The sad thing is, we will no doubt get used to it and just prepare ourselves for the next shock. Very few cars have remained hideous to my eyes really. 

 

There are exceptions of course

 

 

 

 

20 hours ago, vrskeith said:

Future Green option?

 

 

 

I think BMW are very focussed on the Asian markets. And that in-your-face look is what they like.

But that's a horror show, I couldn't pay real money for a car looking like that not matter how well it drives.

2 hours ago, Aspman said:

 

I think BMW are very focussed on the Asian markets. And that in-your-face look is what they like.

But that's a horror show, I couldn't pay real money for a car looking like that not matter how well it drives.

Yes, they love Edwardian looking grilles and walnut/brown leather interiors.  For a country on the bleeding edge of tech, why they have a love affair with the Jags/Rovers of yesteryear is a mystery to me?!?! 

 

Look at the Skoda Superb that's exclusive to the Asian market... it turns out you can make the interior look even more bland and boring than the Euro version, who knew?!

Edited 4 March, 20206 yr by penguin17

I'm beginning to wonder if putting a numberplate in the middle of this grill will look really odd, especially on certain colours? 

 

22 minutes ago, Lady Elanore said:

I'm beginning to wonder if putting a numberplate in the middle of this grill will look really odd, especially on certain colours? 

 

I'll see that, and raise fitting one to a side of that grille!

A serious question. 

Are front fog lights low down a thing of the past so no longer required, or not required to be low or are they hidden there someplace?

 

Likely any drivers of them they just need to see or not and a radar can do that job.

45 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

A serious question. 

Are front fog lights low down a thing of the past so no longer required, or not required to be low or are they hidden there someplace?

Front fog lights are not mandatory.

 

When they are fitted the law still states that using lights below a certain height when visibility is NOT restricted is an offence, BUT DRLs are an exception covered under later lighting regulations.

 

Which is how/why low mounted lights can be turned on when visibility is good.

Edited 4 March, 20206 yr by PetrolDave

Cheers,   i should have said,

'no longer required on top of the range expensive and potentially quick cars', i did not mean, as in required by law.

 

I have never seen the law saying using front lights below a certain height when not poor visibility below 100 meters is illegal, vehicles with maker lights along the front lip spoiler are not uncommon.

Just that using Fog lights are illegal when not foggy / poor visibility.

Using lights that dazzle and can annoy or disturb other drivers are something for the police to bother about, and fog lights in the dark when not foggy.

As to police taking action on offensive lighting, they are possibly driving a BMW with exactly such lighting these days.

 

i know Front Fog lights are not mandatory,

i have had enough without them including Mk2 Favia vRS where Skoda just said they have them and sales adverts still do on used ones.

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Loads of threads like this over the past 9 years about Mk2 vRS

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/305852-pulled-over-for-having-drls-on

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/302841-police-roadside-check-what-a-joke

 

Bl00dy joke though when you do not have them in the very worst of foggy conditions.

So surely Halo models of a car from a Prestige car manufacturer will have something that does the necessary.   

Edited 4 March, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

30 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

I have never seen the law saying using front lights below a certain height when not poor visibility below 100 meters is illegal, vehicles with maker lights along the front lip spoiler are not uncommon.

Well, there used to be a statement in the Highway Code that "using front lights mounted less than 12 inches above the road surface was illegal unless visibility was under 100 yards". If you'd asked, I'd have said you were old enough to have learnt to drive on one of those editions of the HC too.

 

Bug-ger!

 

 

2 hours ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

A serious question. 

Are front fog lights low down a thing of the past so no longer required, or not required to be low or are they hidden there someplace?

 

Likely any drivers of them they just need to see or not and a radar can do that job.

My current M4 doesn't have fog lights. It does have the Icon adaptive headlights though, which are the clever ones powered by Voodoo. They not only swivel with steering also turn each side's main beam off independently once it cannot steer the light far enough away from oncoming or preceding traffic. It seems to work reasonably well as I very rarely get flashed (ooooh missus!-thought I would get that one in first)  

 

Do not miss them at all and have driven in fog/mist several times. No idea if they do anything clever, although I believe they can drop their light output depending on speed and road conditions. 

 

 

Disclaimer: Indicator and blinker fluid problems are another issue for a different thread 

Edited 4 March, 20206 yr by Lady Elanore
Clarification for pre-indicator flaming

This video is of the prototype electric i4 but it gives an idea of what the M4 will look like. I've been looking at pictures of old cars 20s,30s,40s etc and note (as I'm sure everyone is aware) they nearly all had huge grills, but we tend to forget this. Maybe with Audi and BMW both chasing the huge grill look (why does an electric car even need one  ) we will get used to them after all and wonder what the fuss was all about? 

 

 

 

 

 

On 04/03/2020 at 23:00, Lady Elanore said:

This video is of the prototype electric i4 but it gives an idea of what the M4 will look like. I've been looking at pictures of old cars 20s,30s,40s etc and note (as I'm sure everyone is aware) they nearly all had huge grills, but we tend to forget this. Maybe with Audi and BMW both chasing the huge grill look (why does an electric car even need one  ) we will get used to them after all and wonder what the fuss was all about? 

 

 

 

 

the issue isnt, imo, the huge grill itself.

its the fact that that bmw huge grill is god awful looking, at any size...

22 hours ago, mac11irl said:

 

the issue isnt, imo, the huge grill itself.

its the fact that that bmw huge grill is god awful looking, at any size...

It actually doesn't look too bad on the latest X5.  The 1 series and even the new 8 series are a complete mess and the photographs don't do the ugliness justice.  

A journalist summed it up quite nicely recently by saying BMW's new front grill looks like someone has dropped their trousers and bent over because it looks like someone's butt cheeks.

Many people would find that appealing 

So somebody has done a render based on the new M4 render and........

 

 

 

 

I think the big nostrils look better    Sorry to say I can see the Gerry Anderson Thunderbirds look is growing on me and I can see it working on the road. It's going to take a period of adjustment, but yep, I think it's a sleeper that's growing on me 

Edited 9 March, 20206 yr by Lady Elanore