Looking to change my DSG Yeti as I cannot get on with the gearbox.

Have been looking at octavia estates and the diesels seem to be £1-2k cheaper than the petrol versions currently. I do roughly 20 miles a day, some days that can go up to 40 and at the weekends we tend to do about 40 a day. Would this be enough for a dpf in the diesel?

The cost saving of the car and the fuel is very tempting.

Also, I have seen a lot of  high spec 1.6 TDIs with 70k-80k miles on for around £8000, does this seem like a good deal?

 

Cheers

That mileage should be fine in a modern diesel.

I've just sold my old Leon diesel (2005 150tdi So no dpf) and gone for a petrol vrs.

 

I do 9k a year, my old journey was 26 miles up the motorway (about 1 mile either side of motorway) each way to work. 

 

My new journey is 18 miles each way to work and cross country, so no constant high speed high rev driving.

 

I thought long and hard about getting a diesel (and as you point out they did tend to be cheaper on the whole like for like) but the annual mileage and fact dpf was never really going to get a good run for decent amount of time meant the sounder buy for me was petrol. 

 

Just my rationale for thought.

We have two Octavia's, a TSI and a TDI, the TSI is my wife's and spends it's time on short trips doing 9k miles a year. A no brainer.

 

My car does 15k miles a year and daily motorway miles. So a harder choice.

 

Went for TDi due to the increased economy and £2k cheaper than an equivalently specified TSi.

 

You may have to consider resale value but it doesn't bother me to much, I'll do 60k-75k miles in it and most probably off load it to a family member for trade in value.

 

On a side note for you our 1.2TSi Octavia is around 10mpg better than our old 1.2TSI Yeti on my commute and the 1.6TDi Octavia is another 10mpg better than the 1.2TSi Octavia.

Edited 10 July, 20187 yr by logiclee

7 hours ago, gman88667733 said:

I do roughly 20 miles a day, some days that can go up to 40 and at the weekends we tend to do about 40 a day. Would this be enough for a dpf in the diesel?

 

Also, I have seen a lot of  high spec 1.6 TDIs with 70k-80k miles on for around £8000, does this seem like a good deal?

 

Cheers

 

In answer to your 1st question - How suitable a DPF is has nothing to do with what mileage you cover, but more to do with the type of driving. The DPF self-cleans (regeneration) when the engine is up to speed - problems arise when the engine doesn't get up to speed. So if your 20 or 40 miles per day is mostly town driving or involves lots of stop/starts then DPF diesel wouldn't be recommended. If the majority of it is 50-70mph on fast A-roads / dual carriageway / motorway then you should be perfectly OK.

 

In answer to your 2nd question.  If you're looking at a car with 70k-80k miles then how you drive is the least of your worries - it's how the car has been driven during those 70k-80k miles you've got to worry about.

Edited 10 July, 20187 yr by Guest

13 hours ago, gman88667733 said:

Looking to change my DSG Yeti as I cannot get on with the gearbox.

Have been looking at octavia estates and the diesels seem to be £1-2k cheaper than the petrol versions currently. I do roughly 20 miles a day, some days that can go up to 40 and at the weekends we tend to do about 40 a day. Would this be enough for a dpf in the diesel?

The cost saving of the car and the fuel is very tempting.

Also, I have seen a lot of  high spec 1.6 TDIs with 70k-80k miles on for around £8000, does this seem like a good deal?

 

Cheers

 

Do you enter cities much ?

 

It is looking like most diesels will have to pay access charges in to at least the 45 largest cities in the UK in the near future and this has affected residuals so might be worth factoring this in if you do want to drive in to big cities regularly in the next few years.

 

Maybe diesel fuel will also be hit with extra excise duty to discourage its use, pay for the NHS etc so also worth considering.  

 

 

17 hours ago, gman88667733 said:

Also, I have seen a lot of  high spec 1.6 TDIs with 70k-80k miles on for around £8000, does this seem like a good deal?

 

For reference, I bought my 2.0 TDI DSG Elegance trim (+ extras) '63 reg O3 for £8800, just over a year ago with 70k on its clock. So that seems average deal.

 

But I'd get the petrol. It is almost as economical and there's much less liability (tax, expensive exhaust system).

 

Only reason I got a diesel was because I only drive it long distances. I drive an EV for local trips 90% of the time, the Octavia is only for long drives or family holiday.

Edited 11 July, 20187 yr by wyx087

You say you can not get on with the gearbox, but your car and box is faulty is it not, or has someone eventually sorted that out?

Have you driven other cars with a DSG that functions properly?

 

A petrol engine even is you go for a manual will only use a gallon of petrol or less for each of your 40 miles and leave you unstressed over Regens and the likes.

 

The 1.6TDI's are available for cheap for a reason but if that suits you and you are buying a keeper then that is no problem, 

as it is a Trader / Dealer wanting one off their forecourt might give you a better trade in price on your Yeti.

Well as long as they are not taking on a road test.

I do 16 miles each way to work on country roads in a 2.0tdi Octavia, there have been no dpf issues at all. None. Dont discount the 2.0 TDI, it's just as economical as 1.6 and more fun to drive. Also, I'm currently averaging 55-65mpg. Driving into the centre of cities is for idiots in any car, use park and ride/train/tube etc, avoids any future pollution charges and hassle.

I've had my 64-plate 2.0TDI Elegance estate since March.

 

I drive around 35 miles per day to work & back, first few miles are local roads, then 40mph dual carriageways which can be a bit stop start with traffic & .  At around the halfway point the limit increases to 50mph and it's a bit more free-flowing and then a 2 or so mile stretch at national speed limit.

 

Making good progress I have had 68MPG on that run (takes just under 30 mins).  When the DPF regens you can easily tell as stop/start doesn't kick in and the revs are held at 1K when stationary.  I tent to drive in a gear lower than normal, aiming for around 2K rpm and it normally clears at the same point on my commute (just after half way)

 

The other day the traffic was especially bad on the way home and I only got 48MPG!!!!

 

My old Focus 2.0TDCi averaged 42mpg, the Octavia is averaging 52mpg so far so no complaints from me, even though on paper I probably don't really do enough miles to warrant a diesel.

 

I do about the same mileage. I changed from a 10 year old 1.9TDI to a 1.5 Petrol DSG 4 months ago (diesel scrappage). I'd go for petrol. I get about forty mpg running around locally and  mid fifties on a decent run.

The skoda garage I purchased the car from hs just serviced it, I once again asked them to check the gearbox issues I was having and they informed me that it is operating 100% correctly. If I purchased a car from them and they gave me a lower part ex price because the car is faulty, then they have a lot of explaining to do.

If DSG performed as I expected it to, then I'd love another DSG car. Is it worth me test driving another DSG petrol and diesel car? My commute to and from work is country lanes, all downhill one way and all steeply uphill the other way. My car rarely ever sees towns or cities. I stick to dual carriageways, country lanes and back roads.

 

This has all stemmed from the 32mpg that my 1.2DSG Yeti is getting me (it is not driven at all hard) and how badly the gearbox seems to be acting.

5 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

Do you enter cities much ?

 

It is looking like most diesels will have to pay access charges in to at least the 45 largest cities in the UK in the near future and this has affected residuals so might be worth factoring this in if you do want to drive in to big cities regularly in the next few years.

 

Maybe diesel fuel will also be hit with extra excise duty to discourage its use, pay for the NHS etc so also worth considering.  

 

 

diesel comes in different colours though

the red stuff is always the best value      

I am also considering an Outlander PHEV as I can charge at work, but not at home. The EV range should cover my trip to work and back.

Long story short.

 

The 1.2 TSI DSG Yeti has a major fault if from a tank of fuel and say you need to fill up after 320 miles driven it need 10 Imperial gallons of fuel, 

unless it goes up lots of hills and never comes down them again.

 

Best borrow a demonstrator of what ever car you want to buy and see how it does if it comes with a full tank and you drive it for a weekend.

 

the new 1.6TDI's will be coming as SCR's.

 

If you need much the same space as a Yeti without the high driving position a 1.0 TSI Fabia Estate might be worth a try.

It will certainly average into the 40's in MPG.

49 minutes ago, gman88667733 said:

I am also considering an Outlander PHEV as I can charge at work, but not at home. The EV range should cover my trip to work and back.

Get the PHEV. Commuting on pure EV will save you hundreds per year.

 

My commute of 60 miles costs £6 of diesel in my Octavia. But it only costs £2 in my Nissan Leaf EV. That's a HUGE saving.

My fuel light comes on after 300-305 miles in the Yeti, the most i've had from a tank is 350, but it was running on fumes.

 

I'm going to ask to test drive a diesel octavia dsg, a diesel 4x4 dsg Yeti and also a PHEV as they are both the same price pretty much.

 

I think we have established now that my Yeti is not performing as it should. I tend to stick in neutral when going to work as it is mostly downhill, so that balances out the hills on the way home.

On a run i'll see a maximum of 38mpg on the Maxidot readout. Never over 40mpg unless rolling in neutral.

Edited 11 July, 20187 yr by gman88667733

Is putting it in neutral good for the box?

 

If you run it in eco mode it will "coast" downhill.

4 minutes ago, ords said:

Is putting it in neutral good for the box?

 

If you run it in eco mode it will "coast" downhill.

 

Yeti doesn't have driving modes, eco or coast.

1 minute ago, logiclee said:

 

Yeti doesn't have driving modes, eco or coast.

 

1 minute ago, logiclee said:

 

Yeti doesn't have driving modes, eco or coast.

Ah, ok

10 hours ago, Russ77 said:

I've had my 64-plate 2.0TDI Elegance estate since March.

 

I drive around 35 miles per day to work & back, first few miles are local roads, then 40mph dual carriageways which can be a bit stop start with traffic & .  At around the halfway point the limit increases to 50mph and it's a bit more free-flowing and then a 2 or so mile stretch at national speed limit.

 

Making good progress I have had 68MPG on that run (takes just under 30 mins).  When the DPF regens you can easily tell as stop/start doesn't kick in and the revs are held at 1K when stationary.  I tent to drive in a gear lower than normal, aiming for around 2K rpm and it normally clears at the same point on my commute (just after half way)

 

The other day the traffic was especially bad on the way home and I only got 48MPG!!!!

 

My old Focus 2.0TDCi averaged 42mpg, the Octavia is averaging 52mpg so far so no complaints from me, even though on paper I probably don't really do enough miles to warrant a diesel.

 

I’m new to this stop/start driving, are you saying that it operates when there’s a build up of soot in the dpf filter and will stop operating when the soot has burned off?

Despite only doing around 7500 miles a year, I went for a diesel vrs in instead of the petrol for 3 main reasons;

 

MPG - Unless going the shops, the majority of my driving is on dual carriage ways / motorways. Easily get 50mpg+

 

Engine torque - When I go on a track day with my bike, I'm towing it on the trailer and then I've a boot full of ancillaries. Towing weight is around 300kg and boot load is 50kg ish. You wouldn't know you were carrying anything.

 

VED - I knew the car tax was going to be changing, so that was another reason for getting the diesel. £30 compared to £155. 

57 minutes ago, Greenie58 said:

I’m new to this stop/start driving, are you saying that it operates when there’s a build up of soot in the dpf filter and will stop operating when the soot has burned off?

 

No.....  When the DPF is going through an active regen, stop start is disabled so the engine carries on running to enable it to reach the high temperature it needs to complete

Under normal circumstances, once the engine's up to temperature, when you stop, put the handbrake on and put it in neutral, after a few seconds the engine switches off.  When you depress the clutch it starts again

3 minutes ago, Russ77 said:

 

No.....  When the DPF is going through an active regen, stop start is disabled so the engine carries on running to enable it to reach the high temperature it needs to complete

Under normal circumstances, once the engine's up to temperature, when you stop, put the handbrake on and put it in neutral, after a few seconds the engine switches off.  When you depress the clutch it starts again

Ok thanks for clearing that up

10 hours ago, 310golfr said:

diesel comes in different colours though

the red stuff is always the best value      

 

I know.  I have been part of customs team that seize cars running red diesel when working for the Road Fuel Testing Unit of HMRC.  

 

The dye stays in the fuel for weeks so even if it was used several tankfuls ago it still gives a positive result of having used Red.