Brexit petition

[Ootohere]

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Who here participated in the 'Yougov' poll?

[lol-lol]

Polls just before BREXIT vote on 23rd of June were close and undecided, and therefore margin of error, was equal to or bigger than difference of Leave and Remain.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum

 

 

As a result, the polls of polls give a spread of results.

Conducted by	Date	Remain	Leave	Undecided	Lead	Notes
What UK Thinks: EU[14]	23 June	52%	48%	N/A	4%	Six most recent polls.
Elections Etc.[15]	23 June	50.6%	49.4%	N/A	1.2%	Twelve most recent polls. Telephone polls are adjusted in favour of Leave and online polls in favour of Remain.
HuffPost Pollster[16]	23 June	45.8%	45.3%	9%	0.5%
Number Cruncher Politics[17]	22 June	46%	44%	10%	2%	Equal weighting to phone and online polls.
Financial Times[18]	13 June	48%	46%	6%	2%	Five most recent polls.[19]
The Telegraph[20]	21 June	51%	49%	N/A	2%	Six most recent polls.
The Economist[21]	6 June	44%	44%	9%	0%	Excludes polls with fewer than 900 participants.

 

Edited 24 March, 2019 by lol-lol

[shyVRS245]

13 minutes ago, CWARD said:

 

Dejavu, is it 2016 again

Still June 2016 for many it seems.

[Ootohere]

The poll that matters as said back when was the referendum.  We know what the outcome was, and that was people with a legitimate vote that decided.

 

So we will see if there is a 2nd referendum, but seeing as the cabinet all want to keep their jobs it looks like that might not happen regardless of the Peoples March.

[CWARD]

George, we’re probably wasting our time here as Lol-lol will cut and paste some more polls.  No doubt he put his faith in polls in 2016 and still can’t figure out why remain lost. He keeps telling us he’s an intelligent person, head hunted into his mega paid job so surely he’s not going to make the same mistake twice, as only an idiot wouldn’t learn from their previous mistakes. 

After all it’s not like it was just the 2016 referendum with simply yes or no poll they got so wrong but just about every poll this century. 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jun/11/inaccurate-opinion-polls-got-us-into-this-mess-general-election-2017?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

Maybe Lol-lol is right and the polls are correct this time. It has to happen sometime this century surely. Maybe if he keeps pushing the square peg into the round hole that will be correct one day too. 

[john999boy]

2 minutes ago, CWARD said:

as only an idiot wouldn’t learn from their previous mistakes.

That's correct as it would be pretty daft to not do.

However 5.25m votes have now been cast so that may lead people to believe that the 'idiots' are starting to see sense?

I can't wait to what happens if/when the number of voters exceeds the 2016 leave figure.

[Ootohere]

It can easily exceed anything previously, anyone can sign the petition regardless of age or on a voters roll.

As to 'polls', anyone can take part in those multiple times, and some are paid to be on Pollsters lists.

 

Maybe the UK Government can change in the next weeks the election and referendum voting criteria and allow 16 & 17 year olds a vote. 

 

Edited 24 March, 2019 by Skoffski

[xman]

8 minutes ago, Skoffski said:

It can easily exceed anything previously, anyone can sign the petition regardless of age or on a voters roll.

 

Maybe the UK Government can change in the next weeks the election and referendum voting criteria and allow 16 & 17 year olds a vote. 

 

[gadgetman]

On 22/03/2019 at 18:48, CWARD said:

The system is so robust 

 

 

Duplicates are removed. 

On 23/03/2019 at 14:07, SkodaVRS1963 said:

 

Amusing how Remainers are saying "the Government can't ignore the petition, it's been signed by over 4,000,000" whilst, at the same time, conveniently overlooking the fact that the wishes of 17,000,000 people who voted to Leave three years ago have been disregarded

What people want is if Parliament can't decide, its only right in a democratic society that the decision is put back in the hands of the public. 

 

But Leavers don't want that because they know the public would overturn both parliament and the previous result now we have some facts to rubbish many of the Leave campaign claims 

On 23/03/2019 at 14:22, shyVRS245 said:

 

Quoted in error 

On 23/03/2019 at 16:26, SkodaVRS1963 said:

 

The only purpose of a second referendum is to overturn the result of the first.  Even a small child can grasp that simple concept.

 

Otherwise, what's the point?  We delay Brexit, we hold a second referendum.....oops,sorry, "peoples vote" and it goes 52-48 in favour of leaving again.

 

How, *exactly* does that change *anything*?

No its for the public to decide what Brexit they want. 

 

Why is that an issue? 

6 hours ago, SkodaVRS1963 said:

 

I have no problem with us leaving the EU (as voted for by 17,000,000 of us) and then a political party standing at the next General Election on a mandate to take us straight back in.

 

But we *have* to leave.

 

 

That'd mean everything brexiteers hate. 

 

Euro

Schengen 

Full EU law control with a veto 

[CWARD]

34 minutes ago, john999boy said:

That's correct as it would be pretty daft to not do.

However 5.25m votes have now been cast so that may lead people to believe that the 'idiots' are starting to see sense?

I can't wait to what happens if/when the number of voters exceeds the 2016 leave figure.

 

It could quite possibly pass 17m but as George has stated it’s easily manipulated as I had done with the fireworks signing it multiple times, as George just stated signing it for the whole family. I could sign it using the email addresses I have set up for each of my clients.

 

In 2016 everyone had faith in the polls and Remain were going to walk it, Farage had all but given up but again the polls were wrong and it came down to those who bothered to vote and have their say where it mattered. 

Edited 24 March, 2019 by CWARD

[lol-lol]

BREXIT does have a silver lining for customs clearance and consultancy if little else .......................

 

https://briefingsforbrexit.com/customs-costs-post-brexit/

 

Last week Jon Thompson Head of HM Revenue and Customs dropped a bombshell on the possibility of the UK leaving the EU Customs Union. He said that to do so would cost UK firms as much as £20 billion a year. We have examined his figured and judge that the real cost may be much lower at around £2 billion per annum....

 

One of the regular features of the Brexit debate is a series of reports from the Treasury providing eye-watering pessimism about post-Brexit economic outlooks, usually based on flawed methods and assumptions. The latest comes from Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs which last week announced that UK companies would face huge customs costs outside the EU Customs Union.  Jon Thompson, head of HMRC stated in evidence to the House of Commons Treasury Select Committee on May 23^rd that the additional cost to UK companies of customs administration outside the UK Customs Union could amount a sum in ‘the high teens of billions’. These costs would be additional to any tariffs payable to the EU, although the latter may be zero if, as expected, a free trade agreement is negotiated with the EU.

Thompson’s calculations which, as far as we know, have not been set out in a published paper, are based on four elements.

• Each UK declaration will cost £32.50 giving an aggregate cost of £6.5 billion
• Assuming a similar cost for declarations to EU authorities adds a further £6.5 billion
• Additional costs of declaring rules of origin content of imports of £7 billion.

This total cost at up to £20 billion is huge, amounting to over 1% of GDP or 6% of corporate post-tax profits. It is also equivalent to 5.6% of the value of UK trade with the EU (imports plus exports). How is such a large figure generated?  The figure for 200 million additional customs declarations is odd. The figure comes from a recent National Audit Office report although the NAO source the key numbers back to HMRC. The NAO report shows that there are currently 55 million customs declarations for the £339 billion of trade (imports and exports) with the non-EU world. For some reason HMRC then calculates that there will be almost four times as many new post-Brexit declarations for a similar level of trade with the EU.  The assumption seems to be that there will be a much larger number of very small declarations in the case of trade with the EU.

 

[mrgf]

As I could not be arsenal-ed to read this whole thread, is it anti leave or pro leave?

 

As I actually looked at the petition, which seems to be voiced very loudly by retainers who want article 50 overturned and keep shouting how they are all signing so the whole world should listen,  The quieter, leaving camp are actually ahead in their petition, to leave without a deal. Not by a lot but then, the actual referendum was won by quite a small majority and lets be frank... This country rules by ,majority !

 

If we just got on with it to start with, most of the issues would now be resolved.  I predicted 5-6 years of slightly lower economy etc with a benefit starting to come in to effect after that but this timeframe has almost stood still. The inevitable has just been held up, meaning the economy will now suffer for a few extra years.

 

This in itself will keep the whingers whinging, despite the fact that they have kept this specific ball rolling!

[gadgetman]

23 minutes ago, mrgf said:

The quieter, leaving camp are actually ahead in their petition, to leave without a deal. 

What petition? 

 

This is the biggest petition ever on the UK Parliament website 

[CWARD]

22 minutes ago, mrgf said:

As I actually looked at the petition, which seems to be voiced very loudly by retainers who want article 50 overturned and keep shouting how they are all signing so the whole world should listen,  The quieter, leaving camp are actually ahead in their petition, to leave without a deal. Not by a lot but then, the actual referendum was won by quite a small majority and lets be frank... This country rules by ,majority !

 

I think you may have missed a digit from the total signatures as it’s 531k but no point in signing it now as it was already debated in parliament in Jan 19

 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963

[J.R.]

But on the positive side despite thedire predictions the economy has not suffered since the referendum so maybe nothing lost, just delayed, maybe there will be no loss post Brexit or a shorter duration than predicted?

 

The predictions have not been validated thus far.

[Robjon]

2 hours ago, Skoffski said:

Who here participated in the 'Yougov' poll?

 

I did, George.

[Kandy]

When the BBC goes to the effort of producing an article to claim it would be very hard to 'game' the petition, that's as good as proof that it is being flooded by fraudulent signatories.

 

As for how many millions sign, remember, according to the Remain camp, anyone that doesn't express a positive answer in a poll has to be added to the noes, so currently 41.5 million people are against revoking article 50!

[lol-lol]

6 hours ago, J.R. said:

But on the positive side despite thedire predictions the economy has not suffered since the referendum so maybe nothing lost, just delayed, maybe there will be no loss post Brexit or a shorter duration than predicted?

 

The predictions have not been validated thus far.

 

We ain't left and the tariffs and cost of customs clearance have not occurred yet.

 

The first effect of the BREXIT vote was to move the value of the GB pound by around 10% down against the all important USD (85% of trade is valued in USD) and the Euro making importers more expensive and feeding in to inflation.  UK plans an emergency tariff for No Deal but there are many key goods that will attract high tariffs...(Sorry 1478 pages) adding about 10% to many goods like cheese.

Also the sheer cost of customs clearing the goods, as well as the new customs tariffs being introduced, will filter through to the shops in days and weeks after the actual BREXIT date.  Stock up with cheese now !!

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/785554/Tariff_Reference_Document_12_March_2019.pdf

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/13/brexit-tariffs-on-87-of-uk-imports-cut-to-zero-in-temporary-no-deal-plan

Among the consumer goods that will be hit are imports of beef, prices of which will go up by almost 7%, cheddar cheese, up by about £20 per 100kg, and imported “fully finished” cars, which would attract a 10.8% levy, or about £1,500 for an average new car.  Tins of tuna could go up by 24%, imported men’s wool jackets by 12%, and men’s, women’s and girls’ underpants made of synthetic fibre by 12%.

 

[moley]

Cheddar cheese to have import tariffs. Will Somerset leave the UK after Brexit? 

[gadgetman]

57 minutes ago, moley said:

Cheddar cheese to have import tariffs. Will Somerset leave the UK after Brexit? 

Most of the supermarket own brand stuff is made abroad 

[shyVRS245]

1 hour ago, gadgetman said:

Most of the supermarket own brand stuff is made abroad 

That must be the plastic stuff that won't burn even over a lighter. Fortunately allergic to all cheese and it's really unhealthy.

[Ootohere]

So are we leaving the EU on Friday, that is what needs answered this week.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/world-47667879

 

 

Not to worry about cheese, there are years worth of imported cheese in storage in the UK from what ever countries.

Then if the Milk we export can not be exported it will just have to get used in the UK instead of what is imported normally.

Or maybe things will be as they were once Kent is declared a disaster zone, the military are brought in to clear the car parks / roads.

Edited 25 March, 2019 by Skoffski

[RicardoM]

Your life will not change in any way by "voting" online from a cozy armchair. The real change will come when millions of people will understand they have the right, even the obligation to clean the political spectrum of all those grotesque, corrupt, incompetent, undecided, delusional figures. If that means putting their skin on a stick, so be it. Democracy works only for perfect societies where people behave responsibly. Otherwise democracy is an impotent system that serves perfectly those in power.

Edited 25 March, 2019 by RicardoM

[@Lee]

23 hours ago, CWARD said:

Looks like some of the Remainers are faking their coverage of yesterday’s march 

 

 

The replies pointing out it was the Queens Jubilee and some of the other pictures are quite amusing though. 

Looks like a fake account. Probably set up by a rexiter.
Why would a remainer need to use a photo of the Jubilee? Why would they use a photo that's obviously taken in summertime?
Why would they use a photo with 0 EU flags in it?
You've been suckered  

[Aspman]

Will of the people in or will of the people out.

Doesn't matter. Westminster is in full self-preservation mode.

 

They'll do whatever it takes to keep their perks, power and trust funds. And what that pretty much means it they will do what they are told to do by the banks.

 

We're pretty much screwed whatever. Global credibility, burned; any residual trust in politics, burned.

 

Irish politics is about to get a lot more vitriolic, The Scottish indy debate is poised for a rerun. It's the predicted UK death spiral only 40yr late.