Climate change

[Jigger72]

44 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

So your answer is basically 'they're not doing their bit so why should we'?
Start to hurt them and stop buying cheap Chinese tat.

 

Where do you think most of the parts on your car are manufactured?

[@Lee]

4 minutes ago, Jigger72 said:

 

Where do you think most of the parts on your car are manufactured?

They have to be made somewhere.
I mentioned 'tat'. Cheap, throwayaway items that don't last. Car parts can last many years if looked after.
A cheap broom or drill for example won't.

[@Lee]

This is a good idea..........
A 'Library of Things'

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/24/library-of-things-borrowing-scheme-conquer-world?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&#Echobox=1556120518

[Ootohere]

Charity shops in the UK are full of stuff as are car boot sales.

Pick something up for 'much cheapness' then donate back or sell on or give away what is no longer needed.

There are Book Libraries, Toy Libraries, Household goods type lending schemes etc. All just needs the Governments to back the Volunteers, 

but then the Governments keep withdrawing financial support.

 

Then commercially there are places to hire (borrow) for a contribution of money.

http://hss.com/hire

 

[J.R.]

How is Germany going to produce 17 gigawatts from coal in 2030 if it has closed down all its coal power station 5 yeare before?

[@Lee]

Twelve years old now........
 

 

[Ootohere]

@J.R.

Just the usual Kiddology.

When Donald Trump said that Germany was too reliant on Russian gas & pipelines being built it was said that Germany was only dependent on gas for 20% of its energy.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-44794688

 

But then German manufacturers has moved production with the likes of car production with VW Group or BMW to Hungary, CZ, Slovakia etc and they are reliant on Gas piped from Russia or Russian controlled regions.

Edited 25 April, 2019 by Skoffski

[@Lee]

And more recently

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After one of the hottest years on record, Sir David Attenborough looks at the science of climate change and potential solutions to this global threat. Interviews with some of the world’s leading climate scientists explore recent extreme weather conditions such as unprecedented storms and catastrophic wildfires. They also reveal what dangerous levels of climate change could mean for both human populations and the natural world in the future.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00049b1

[Ootohere]

90 hours of not needing Coal generated electricity over a hot holiday weekend.

Obviously the Generators of Electricity from Coal were still paid when not generating as usual, renewable generation available on the UK will also have had turbines shut down,

and Electricity was imported to the UK from abroad. The contracts are there and people always get paid to generate electricity or not, it must be available as needed.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-48015613

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-43879564

 

 

 

 

Edited 25 April, 2019 by Skoffski

[@Lee]

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“The UK’s active current support of new exploitation of fossil fuels, like for example the UK shale gas fracking industry, the expansion of its North Sea oil and gasfields, the expansion of airports, as well as the planning permission for a brand new coal mine, is beyond absurd,” Ms Thunberg told MPs.

https://www.ft.com/content/b68d4c1c-65d5-11e9-a79d-04f350474d62

[Ootohere]

Worth reading the article / blog by Ross Clark of the Spectator on Ms Thungerg.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/the-trouble-with-greta-thurnberg

 

 

The Oil is needed for Petrochemicals, and the Oil & Gas is needed to make the energy to power the petrochemical plants.

Fracked Gasses are imported now from the USA for this currently.

 

The UK can not have transport and industry without oil and gas and fuelling ships, planes, trains, HGV's and LGV's.

 

The UK needs to get on with Carbon Capture schemes and also processing waste materials / refuse, food waste, producing methane and generating electricity from it.

It happens around the UK but needs to be expanded.

 

 

 

Edited 25 April, 2019 by Skoffski

[gadgetman]

Moving back to the subject, we simply don't need all the stuff peddled to us. 

 

Do you need to change the contents of your wardrobe every month? 

Change all the white goods and furniture in your home every year? 

 

Our homes are full of crap we don't really need

 

We need to get away from this ridiculous mass consumption situation we're currently in. 

[john999boy]

1 minute ago, gadgetman said:

Do you need to change add to the contents of your wardrobe every month?

Try telling my wife that monthly clothes buying would be adequate/sufficient  - but stand well back before you do!

[Ootohere]

@gadgetman

Moving back to the subject of 'is climate change real or not?'

If it is about consuming goods, or over consumption and production & purchasing crap etc, it is also about travel.

Maybe people should not be flying as often as frequent flyers do, or just leisure and pleasure travelling,  maybe overseas holidays should be banned, any travel not deemed as necessary by whoever.

 

But then that is never going to happen.

[Breezy_Pete]

56 minutes ago, Skoffski said:

Worth reading the article / blog by Ross Clark of the Spectator on Ms Thungerg.

Disappointed with that article TBH.  According to him, the trouble with Greta is that people don't ask her hard questions?

Clickbait title that doesn't get justified in the text. You were better than that when I knew you Ross.

 

 

 

 

[Ootohere]

He writes a lot of crap and spoke it on TV today in a debate, but then he puts a point of view.

[moley]

[mac11irl]

So what your saying, @moley, is that the stats can be bent to what ever way you wish to make a point... (the clearest point being that, as we all know stats are the worst form of lie )

Which is a more valid representation of emissions.. per capita, therefore small but mighty oil producing countries are killing us all.

Or on national total output...

what about per sq km of national landmass?

It doesnt really matter what way its shown, the reality is green house emmissions and pollution of all kinds are affecting the atmosphere, stratosphere, and oceans - a recent study of the extremophiles in the deepest parts of the mid atlantic trench were found to have microplastics in their digestive systems.. in one case, iirc, a 2mm long purple nylon thread in a 5mm long organism..

Humans are the most self-agrandising parasite on our lump of space rock.. i do sometimes wonder what do the birds and other animals actually make of us... lets face it, they have no concept of any of our ****.. cars, houses, metal work etc, but even they are feeling the affects of what we are doing to their home too...

 

We need a coherent global plan to fix a lot of man made mistakes from the last 10thousand years of our existence, but... thats never going to happen as too many people are still overly bothered about their ideas about societal development and rules being the most bestest way we should all be living and killing each other off because of it too.

 

There is another argument that its all ultimately futile anyway, as the earths core could cool enough to stop spinning and thus stop generating  the magnificently protective magnetosphere that noone ever thinks about... and the planet is destined to be consumed by the sun in a few billions years before it collapses all burnt out... and theres probably a universal contraction back to the singularity due after that at some stage  once the expansion either stops or it rips itself apart.. so really whats the point...

 

 

That went in a slightly different direction to one i started with....

 

 

Climate change is happening, we probably cant stop it but we can at least try to mitigate and return it to its natural progression rate instead of the heavily accelerated path our activities have set it on.

 

Thats better.

[moley]

8 hours ago, mac11irl said:

So what your saying, @moley, is that the stats can be bent to what ever way you wish to make a point...

 

I posted the chart as an indication of the Co2 emissions. You read the stats whichever way you want ie. China produces the most Co2, but per capita they are slightly better than the UK. Germany is higher than most EU countries in both overall output and per capita.

[mac11irl]

1 hour ago, moley said:

 

I posted the chart as an indication of the Co2 emissions. You read the stats whichever way you want ie. China produces the most Co2, but per capita they are slightly better than the UK. Germany is higher than most EU countries in both overall output and per capita.

 

I know, tone doesnt always carry in text form, i was being a tad cynical and sarcastic, purely because of how different the stats can make the problem appear which is how people use them to beat others over the head.

The reality is we live in a global society, not one defined by arbitrary borders that only exist because of centuries of tribal bitching, so we need to think globally as to how it can fixed.

[PetrolDave]

11 hours ago, mac11irl said:

So what your saying, @moley, is that the stats can be bent to what ever way you wish to make a point

Lies, damn lies and statistics

[@Lee]

20 hours ago, Wino said:

Disappointed with that article TBH.  According to him, the trouble with Greta is that people don't ask her hard questions?

Clickbait title that doesn't get justified in the text. You were better than that when I knew you Ross.

 

 

 

 

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Unfortunately, when you get to such prominence, you invite the scrutiny of morons. Thunberg has annoyed a lot of the right people, it appears, and the last week has seen her attacked viciously online by people who are too scientifically illiterate to take on her actual points.

https://www.iflscience.com/environment/50yearold-men-are-viciously-attacking-a-16yearold-girl-because-they-cant-comprehend-her-arguments/

[@Lee]

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'Outrage is justified': David Attenborough backs school climate strikers

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/26/david-attenborough-backs-school-climate-strikes-outrage-greta-thunberg?CMP=share_btn_fb

[Sad555]

There is real scientific  proof..........................................

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[@Lee]

56 minutes ago, Sad555 said:

There is real scientific  proof..........................................

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Wow. Brilliant bit of discussion there. Well done, chap. I'm sure the Oxford Union debating society will be absolutely begging you to appear as a guest mass debater.
Seriously, I doff my cap.