1 hour ago, zetzet said:

Well I can't say anything about the Kona, it's a smaller model so I wasn't looking into it. Also maybe their hybrid system works better than just petrol+DCT combo. I agree on the infotainment and climate though. If Octavia didn't have wireless android auto it would be a disaster, now it was just mildly annoying. 

 

I went to look  at a Kona, they are tiny, not a patch on the Octavia. 
 

The Octavia iV is a great choice for business users as the BIK tax is so low. Massive estate costing me about £160 a month all in including BIK tax but a mild hybrid Focus with a similar spec to the SEL I ordered would be £200 a month all in. 

Spotted this article the other day, doesn't look good for any prospective Skoda owner, especially if its an Octavia  

 

https://www.world-today-news.com/skoda-has-40000-unfinished-cars-due-to-a-lack-of-parts-the-victim-is-mainly-octavia/

 

 

The only credible part of that article/statement is the bit about sacrificing Octavias for other models.

 

If you substitute "unstarted" for "unfinished" then its probably truthfull.

 

They might produce & store cars that cannot be shipped or sold to keep the production & supply lines running but they sure dont push even one let alone 400000 immobile vehicles off the line to put them in storage & then have someone pull them apart either in a muddy field or transport them back to the factory to pull apart & fit all the missing electronic modules then feed them back into the line for the testing regime.

 

The whole manufacturing process is designed around a "Just in Time" suppy chain, when something runs out the line stops.

 

Complete fantasy & doesn't say much for the journalist.

My dealer did say they are limiting production on the Octavia and concentrating more on the new Enyaq as its more of a high profile vehicle ( and more profitable ).  They are both produced on the same production line in Mladá Boleslav.

 

The 40,000 vehicles are all basically driveable, just missing smaller ancillary control units like windows, mirrors, digital dash etc.  Its still a lot of vehicles to have to rework tho !

I doubt more profitable, but Enyaq's will very much bring down the average C02 of Skoda vehicles first registered and aid VW Group in paying penalties on their emissions.

 

The vehicles will not meet Construction & Use and can not be imported to other EU countries or the UK.

 

https://www.newsy-today.com/skoda-auto-shuts-down-up-to-5000-unfinished-cars-a-week-with-a-ceiling-of-55000-cars

 

https://www.ft.com/content/22514024-554b-482b-bc4f-25557ab0571d

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 22 August, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot

19 hours ago, Kingelk said:

Estimated delivery is march 2022.  Assume you're not based in UK.  Here in the UK plates registration changes twice a year.   March and Sept . So it will be registered as March 22 car. 

Right. But.. how can it be march 22 since i just got an estimate of 2-3 months? Should arrive in november.

Guessing based on my spec and lead time currently.  I would even suggest that your dealer might not be being 100% truthful unless different regions have different waits.  Did you have to sign the disclaimer advising you of the delay? 

1 minute ago, Kingelk said:

Guessing based on my spec and lead time currently.  I would even suggest that your dealer might not be being 100% truthful unless different regions have different waits.  Did you have to sign the disclaimer advising you of the delay? 

Well it has canton, dcc, seats, mamba green and some smaller things. I got "special deliver" tick on the order since they could not easily sell it if for some reason i'd cancel it.

 

yeah not sure if waiting times are tied to countries somehow. Dealer told me that realistically plugins come in 2-3 months and petrols in 5 months. 

 

What sort of disclaimer do you mean? I only have an "estimated time of arrival" in the order contract. I believe if it comes later i'll just drive my car until i get the new one, or they will provide me with something so my car price does not go down while waiting. At least thats what i've heard could happen.

Where are you based if you like me asking.. I'm UK and I had to sign a disclaimer saying that there is a long delay and they can not guarantee a date and I cant cancel because of a long wait.  

 

Due to the long wait they allow me to drive my car until the handover date and they "lock" in the equity in my current vehicle. 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Kingelk said:

Where are you based if you like me asking.. I'm UK and I had to sign a disclaimer saying that there is a long delay and they can not guarantee a date and I cant cancel because of a long wait.  

 

Due to the long wait they allow me to drive my car until the handover date and they "lock" in the equity in my current vehicle. 

Sure, I'm at Finland. i believe that would be illegal in Finland. Never heard of that type of disclaimers. Dealer just told me about the times and said that it should be here in november. I know people who have been waiting longer, but they've ordered earlier when there was more shutdowns etc.

 

So what happens if your handover delays a month? You just drive your car?

Yes we have agreed an amount for my current Skoda car (karoq).  The excess amount over what I owe in finance (a lot of cars are bought on finance in UK)  is my equity and used as a deposit for my new car.   The equity is locked and all I do is continue making my finance payments which offsets against the depreciation on the car.  So by march my car value will be less but also my outstanding finance is less.  But the equity is kept the same .

 

I just hand my cover on collection of my new car.

Hand over my car on collection when ever that is.

2 minutes ago, Kingelk said:

Yes we have agreed an amount for my current Skoda car (karoq).  The excess amount over what I owe in finance (a lot of cars are bought on finance in UK)  is my equity and used as a deposit for my new car.   The equity is locked and all I do is continue making my finance payments which offsets against the depreciation on the car.  So by march my car value will be less but also my outstanding finance is less.  But the equity is kept the same .

 

I just hand my cover on collection of my new car.

Yeah sure my MY18 golf is bought with financing. I told my dealer that i'd rather hope the RS iV comes in mid november so i can more pay my current finance so i can have more down payment. Golf value will be the same even if the new car gets delayd.

 

Sure you pay more but your car is worth less so they balance each other out. Unless you're lucky and they agree to re access the trade in and you have a bigger down payment but you could find the car has depreciated a lot quicker and your equity could go down.  I prefer the locked in method.

 

I know I said last post on this matter but I will have to say .you are nothing more than a trouble maker.if not interested in my post.yes read it but don't put posts like professional help required .in which I find offensive and I hope the web masters will view this the same as me.

10 hours ago, Kingelk said:

Sure you pay more but your car is worth less so they balance each other out. Unless you're lucky and they agree to re access the trade in and you have a bigger down payment but you could find the car has depreciated a lot quicker and your equity could go down.  I prefer the locked in method.

 

Yeah i prefer the locker method too. So my car value wont go down if the delivery time gets delayd. Now it's just waiting. Might be a shock to test the plugin on summer and then receive it on november. Perhaps the range isnt the same

11 hours ago, Kingelk said:

Where are you based if you like me asking.. I'm UK and I had to sign a disclaimer saying that there is a long delay and they can not guarantee a date and I cant cancel because of a long wait.  

 

Due to the long wait they allow me to drive my car until the handover date and they "lock" in the equity in my current vehicle. 

 

 

 

I think you have used the wrong terminology and confused people.

 

A disclaimer is a statement that denies something, especially responsibility.

You do not need a disclaimer from an estimated date as it is just an estimate not a guaranteed date.

A non-cancellation clause is not a disclaimer.

It sounds like you have signed a contract for purchase and exchange, where you exchange your current vehicle for new one (plus a specific amount of money), and have involved a third party (a finance company) so the whole transaction has included a non-cancellation clause which you have agreed to.   You have agreed to same cash differential regardless of the handover date.  
 

So basically you now cannot exchange your car anywhere else, and have agreed to wait, and thus if Skoda choose to finish other cars first and you have to wait until sometime in 2022, or even 2023 you have accepted it.

 

You may like the transaction (which is presumably why you agreed to it), but personally I wouldn’t be keen on a transaction with no back stop date, as it means you cannot get out of it even if another dealer has car available sooner at a cheaper price.  

 

A back stop date (sometimes known as a sunset clause) could have been something like if car still not delivered after 9 months you have option to void (cancel) the contract with no penalty.

 

Edited 23 August, 20214 yr by SurreyJohn

If someone is Distant Buying as in Click & Collect and not into a Showroom but doing the deal on the phone, online, through a car broker etc then the rules are totally different in the UK on cooling off periods and cancellations, this includes new cars, even factory builds, but if you are ordering a unique personalised vehicle that can be an issue.

 

Dealerships in England / Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland might well have what looks like a Legally Binding Contract with T&C's that are not worth the Paper they are written on if they were to go to a Civil Court.

 

They might actually work more in favour of the buyer than the seller.

Edited 23 August, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot

You might find your 2nd hand car you are trading in will be worth more the longer you wait - crazy things happening all over car world and I wouldn’t be surprised!

1 hour ago, MiniNinjaRob said:

You might find your 2nd hand car you are trading in will be worth more the longer you wait - crazy things happening all over car world and I wouldn’t be surprised!

That is certainly happening here. To get the Octavia I sold my previous car for 60% more than what I had thought it would fetch a year before.

And Golf 7.5 R wagons, which were out of stock new, that I considered before settling for the Octavia VRS, were available 1 year old with 10-20000 kms  for 95% of the new price, which I did not consider a sufficient discount.

Probably should have got one anyway. It was the  last model before all of this buttonless, knobless VAG touchscreen system with its incurable software faults.

 

With so many models out of stock due to worldwide shortages people are prepared, at least here in Australia, to pay more than they would have to secure a vehicle immediately. Not that we can drive anywhere at present .

11 hours ago, SurreyJohn said:

I think you have used the wrong terminology and confused people.

 

A disclaimer is a statement that denies something, especially responsibility.

You do not need a disclaimer from an estimated date as it is just an estimate not a guaranteed date.

A non-cancellation clause is not a disclaimer.

It sounds like you have signed a contract for purchase and exchange, where you exchange your current vehicle for new one (plus a specific amount of money), and have involved a third party (a finance company) so the whole transaction has included a non-cancellation clause which you have agreed to.   You have agreed to same cash differential regardless of the handover date.  
 

So basically you now cannot exchange your car anywhere else, and have agreed to wait, and thus if Skoda choose to finish other cars first and you have to wait until sometime in 2022, or even 2023 you have accepted it.

 

You may like the transaction (which is presumably why you agreed to it), but personally I wouldn’t be keen on a transaction with no back stop date, as it means you cannot get out of it even if another dealer has car available sooner at a cheaper price.  

 

A back stop date (sometimes known as a sunset clause) could have been something like if car still not delivered after 9 months you have option to void (cancel) the contract with no penalty.

 

Possibly. It was more like a 1 paragraph saying that I am aware there are long delays  and they can not guarantee when the car will be available.  I guess it's more of an acknowledgement of the possible long wait.  More likely to stop me complaining about a wait than anything else 🙂

 

 

I forgot to add..it was a Skoda request and not a dealer request.  Assume lots of people complaining about long waits and this at least shows people are aware and helps rh dealer manage peooes

People's expectations.  Sorry I'm new to the forum and can't seem to edit posts.

Apparently, my Meteor Grey vRS 4x4 is at the dealer!  

18 minutes ago, edrenshaw said:

Apparently, my Meteor Grey vRS 4x4 is at the dealer!  

How long did you wait? 

That is good news for you.can I ask when did you order your car?also what model is it