Recent thread closures / removals ( Political et al tit for tat )

[VWD]

On 22/10/2023 at 13:18, ColinD said:

Judgement call from a team member which I support.

 

Direction it was heading. As with politico stuff, more so with highly charged topics; it either resolves itself, through self moderation. Or we take a call on likely hood of it going sideways. That is our call

Good call. perhaps NOW s time for a rethink on banned topics. Like Politics/ religion and perhaps football ( where as any Scot will know , a request as to team supported is really "what religion are you") . As a Scot ,my reply is "Partic Thistle" . Always stops the problem.

Does one Skoda care what race/religion or politics another Skoda is, I doubt it. PERHAPS ,we need to think like the ECU inside the car .

[@Lee]

On 04/11/2023 at 23:11, VWD said:

Good call. perhaps NOW s time for a rethink on banned topics. Like Politics/ religion and perhaps football ( where as any Scot will know , a request as to team supported is really "what religion are you") . As a Scot ,my reply is "Partic Thistle" . Always stops the problem.

Does one Skoda care what race/religion or politics another Skoda is, I doubt it. PERHAPS ,we need to think like the ECU inside the car .

You only visit Briskoda about once a week and when you do it's to moan about anything remotely political being discussed despite not ever engaging in any of those topics so it's not like it's any skin off your nose. 

Harping back to your days as coming from a fishing village in Scotland doesn't add any weight to your point. 

If you want literally everything on Briskoda that's politically based banned there's gonna be a whole list of things people will be banned from discussing. And as for 'perhaps football' (not that I've seen a single topic about football by the way) then stuff it. Let's ban discussions about Motorsport as well. Rallying? Get rid of it. F1? Gone. After all, support for Mercedes or Skoda could be seen as some divisive woke nonsense couldn't it? Just ban the lot of it 

 

How about letting those who do wish to discuss current affairs to it and those who don't are free to ignore those discussions? A happy middle ground.

 

My personal opinion. 

In recent years populism has taken over in politics. Brexit and Trumpism were both big parts of that. People were, in the referendum, literally asked to pick a team. In/ out, right/ left.

Trumpism failed and oh how spectacularly it's failure reared its ugly head on January 6th 2021.

In the same way, though without the insurrection nonsense (though one could argue there has been one in the Tory party), Brexit has failed. Every poll since around mid 2017 shows people think it was a mistake. People can see it's failed. Their pockets tell them it's failed. Their rent, mortgage and food and energy bills tell them it's failed. People in the rest of Europe, the bits the UK used to be a part of, aren't seeing the same problems the UK are.

Then came Johnson, promising to get it done, to build forty new hospitals etc etc etc. More divisive nonsense and undeliverable promises to the so-called red wall voters 

All nonsense. All of it and now the absolute headbanger wing of UKIP/ the ERG has completely taken over the Tory party led by shadowy unaccountable 'think tanks' in 55 Tufton Street. 

Braverman the HS is just about managing to hide her blatant fascist ideologies and rhetoric and Sunak is nothing more than a weak puppet of the aforementioned.

And that's before we even get to how utterly incompetent, selfish and repugnant behaviour that is becoming apparent from the Covid enquiry and the absolute contempt they had fro people, especially for the elderly and those in care homes and low earners. Not to mention the shocking waste of public money, VIP lanes, useless contracts for mates and last but not least Baroness Mone who took £230,000,000 never to be seen again despite a court order for her to pay it back.

If I'd voted for any of the above, I'd want political discussion banned as well and that's what the call to ban political discussion is really really about. 

It's quite funny not funny but tonight (Saturday) Michael Crick was invited onto GB News to discuss free speech but after airing his opinion of the channel, the director cut to an ad break and Crick was escorted from the building. You couldn't make it up!

FWIW I have a fairly good idea of some people's leanings and I don't see any calls from the centrist/ left leaning members to ban political discussion. 

As a continuous Freedom member since joining in 2011 and a long time supporter of Briskoda, I hope Colin wouldn't give in to the whim of a tiny minority.

Edited 5 November, 2023 by @Lee

[J.R.]

Discussion?

 

Regrettably (or should it be thankfully?) the majority of peaceful sensible people no longer engage with or comment on the relentless voice of a wannabee political activist spouting "My personal opinion" and seeking percieved enemies.

[J.R.]

13 hours ago, VWD said:

Does one Skoda care what race/religion or politics another Skoda is

 

I think there is only one person on the forum who is in any way concerned about (what they believe) other peoples political leanings or views are.

[@Lee]

10 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Discussion?

 

Regrettably (or should it be thankfully?) the majority of peaceful sensible people no longer engage with or comment on the relentless voice of a wannabee political activist spouting "My personal opinion" and seeking percieved enemies.

Play the ball not the player. Rip apart my points if you like but quit with the personal digs  

[skomaz]

3 minutes ago, @Lee said:

Play the ball not the player. Rip apart my points if you like but quit with the personal digs  

 

Errmm...   You might want to reflect on the above and your post below...   Ad Hominem as you so often like to point out... 

 

Pot / kettle and hypocrisy come to mind as appropriate!

 

11 hours ago, @Lee said:

You only visit Briskoda about once a week and when you do it's to moan about anything remotely political being discussed despite not ever engaging in any of those topics so it's not like it's any skin off your nose. 

Harping back to your days as coming from a fishing village in Scotland doesn't add any weight to your point. 

If you want literally everything on Briskoda that's politically based banned there's gonna be a whole list of things people will be banned from discussing. 

How about letting those who do wish to discuss current affairs to it and those who don't are free to ignore those discussions? A happy middle ground.

 

 

Edited 5 November, 2023 by skomaz

[EnterName]

On 04/11/2023 at 22:11, VWD said:

Good call. perhaps NOW s time for a rethink on banned topics. Like Politics/ religion and perhaps football ( where as any Scot will know , a request as to team supported is really "what religion are you") . As a Scot ,my reply is "Partic Thistle" . Always stops the problem.

Does one Skoda care what race/religion or politics another Skoda is, I doubt it. PERHAPS ,we need to think like the ECU inside the car .

I don't think talk of politics should be banned, but it would be nice for new members or Google-led randoms to be able mooch about Briskoda without coming across thread like this one, which to the uninitiated, comes across as quite unpleasant in places.

Before you start, it's all well and good saying "Well if they don't like it, they don't have to read it!".

That's not the point though, is it?

If people aren't up for an endless drizzle of political grumbling between people, they shouldn't have to come across it on a forum bearing the description: "Discuss the meaning of life, or looking for advice on an issue? Here you are taken seriously. No off topic! ".

(Frankly I've always found that description ambiguous at best and misleading at worst, as it implies there are no topics which cannot be discussed. However after a few problems, I came to learn it means "No straying from the thread topic.". But I digress.)

 

On 05/11/2023 at 00:00, @Lee said:

FWIW I have a fairly good idea of some people's leanings and I don't see any calls from the centrist/ left leaning members to ban political discussion. 

Nor do I.

But I have seen a pattern of hostile behaviour from a small clique on here towards anyone who fails to fall into line with their political perspective. (When they're not busy indulging in "Like" farming in "Off Topic Chat".

 

I think Briskoda would be better with politics tucked away behind the Freedom paywall. A bit like an outside toilet for the politically incontinent.

I'd also welcome a specific "Brexit" forum behind the Freedom paywall, for those that wish to complain about Brexit without criticism. A bit like an outside toilet for the politically incompetent.

(So long as any mention of Brexit was banned everywhere else on Briskoda.)

 

As someone not currently subscribed to Freedom, I realise my suggestions would exclude me from these areas, but I'm willing to take the hit for the greater good. 👍

[VWD]

On 05/11/2023 at 11:52, @Lee said:

Play the ball not the player. Rip apart my points if you like but quit with the personal digs  

dISCUSSION, NOT WHAT WE MODERATES SAW during brexit. We got STAY propaganda force fed. And that is why I say ban the politics from this forums, unless animal farm politics take over.

Edited 16 November, 2023 by VWD

[EnterName]

On 05/11/2023 at 11:52, @Lee said:

Play the ball not the player. Rip apart my points if you like but quit with the personal digs  

Just a week later, the same guy is calling a Briskoda member a "fascist thug".

Differential enforcement erodes trust.

 

[J.R.]

4 hours ago, EnterName said:

Differential enforcement erodes trust.

 

Indeed.

[Breezy_Pete]

Depressingly ironic that a thread saying effectively 

"Cut it out kids, you're being too annoying" has become a playground for more of the same. 

Stupid of me to be even a tiny bit surprised,  battlers must battle.

[@Lee]

On 16/11/2023 at 23:54, VWD said:

dISCUSSION, NOT WHAT WE MODERATES SAW during brexit. We got STAY propaganda force fed. And that is why I say ban the politics from this forums, unless animal farm politics take over.

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Edited 20 November, 2023 by @Lee

[Ootohere]

@VWDWhy do you keep looking at threads that you think should not be in a section that is not car related and sometimes posting in them and then saying they should politics should be banned from these forums? 

[VWD]

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[Breezy_Pete]

Sounds about right.

[@Lee]

1 hour ago, VWD said:

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@Rootedasked a valid question of you; that being why do you look in non automotive topics, occasionally posting in them and then calling for them to be banned. 

I also do not understand that.

 

IME it's only been a very tiny minority of people who have asked for such topics to be banned from the non car related sections of Briskoda that few members actually frequent. 

 

The definition of 'forum' is 'a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged' (hopefully without animosity). 

Some people like to discuss A, others don't instead preferring to discuss B. Qué sera 

[Graham Butcher]

FWIW, politics is fine as long as it is not extreme and is at least in some way related to cars and is not particularly party biased and needs to be relative to the topic of discussion, like it or not, we are all affected by it all the time.

[@Lee]

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

FWIW, politics is fine as long as it is not extreme and is at least in some way related to cars 

 

But we're talking about the the non car related forums stuff, Graham. This is, I thought, about stuff specifically outside those sections. i.e. a very small subsection of the site. 

Edited 9 December, 2023 by @Lee

[VWD]

On 17/11/2023 at 06:26, EnterName said:

Just a week later, the same guy is calling a Briskoda member a "fascist thug".

Differential enforcement erodes trust.

 

Strange how the member evades rules of conduct, then rushes to use same rules months later to support his biased views . You EITHER abide by rules, or???

[@Lee]

2 hours ago, VWD said:

Strange how the member evades rules of conduct, then rushes to use same rules months later to support his biased views . You EITHER abide by rules, or???

You're not addressing @Rooted's question instead choosing to deflect and quote something completely irrelevant to his question. 

That being, why do you want political posts/ discussion banned yet continue to post in them? 

I don't like the Waltzers so what I do is not go on them rather than go on them and then tell people Waltzers should be banned because I didn't like them. 

[Graham Butcher]

On 09/12/2023 at 01:49, @Lee said:

 

But we're talking about the the non car related forums stuff, Graham. This is, I thought, about stuff specifically outside those sections. i.e. a very small subsection of the site. 

Sorry, I hadn't realised what section I was in. I agree in the off topic section politics is fine. 

[Ootohere]

Off topic might be here but this is not the 'Offtopic section'

, this is the 'Roadside Hotel' section and there is a description of what it is here for if anyone looks.

& a simple rule.  along with the forums rules. 

 

 

Edited 10 December, 2023 by Rooted

[Graham Butcher]

14 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Off topic might be here but this is not the 'Offtopic section'

, this is the 'Roadside Hotel' section and there is a description of what it is here for if anyone looks.

& a simple rule.  along with the forums rules. 

 

 

Sorry, I was taking my lead from @@Lee's post about it being allowed in the non car related sections, I stand corrected.