14 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

Just to throw this in the mix as regards to more ev's in Scotland per person than England.

 

If sales are judged by place of registration it does not mean they where sold there.

 

A particular dealership who have big new  sales of most brands throughout the UK have a Head office in Glasgow and many of the vehicles sold Nationally are registered there.

 

They also have some brands pre-registered in Yorkshire and Maidstone.

 

E.g all their pre-registered  Fiats appear to be Yorkshire

 

 Vauxhalls Dacia and Citroens are Scotland

 

Volkswagen Maidstone

 

 

I may me wrong but that's how their website appears to me.

 

 

There may some mileage in that, as the video that @Ootohere posted re the first electric logging lorry in Scotland had the registration number of JJ23BEV which shows it was actually registered in Maidstone, Kent. 

No.

 

I still cannot understand why you think that cars registered in Scotland being recharged in Scotland should be indicative of anything other than the obvious.

4 minutes ago, J.R. said:

No.

 

I still cannot understand why you think that cars registered in Scotland being recharged in Scotland should be indicative of anything other than the obvious.

Simply because it was suggested that there were far more electric cars in Scotland than the 12,000 that were registered there, which account for just 1% of the total electric (battery only cars) that were registered in the same period for the whole of the UK. Go back to that post and do your own sums and see if you arrive at the figure which suggests that the rest of the UK actually has 8.7 times as many BEV cars as were registered in Scotland. It really is quite simple. 

 

Yes I do know that cars are mobile and can move about the country but the only true measurable yardstick that we can use is where the car is registered, hence the use of the word suggests I hope this clears that situation up?

1 hour ago, Stonekeeper said:

If sales are judged by place of registration it does not mean they where sold there.

 

A particular dealership who have big new  sales of most brands throughout the UK have a Head office in Glasgow and many of the vehicles sold Nationally are registered there.

Single data point; my Octavia was first registered in Glasgow, Scotland, but the first registered keeper was in Luton, Bedfordshire.

2 minutes ago, Paws4Thot said:

Single data point; my Octavia was first registered in Glasgow, Scotland, but the first registered keeper was in Luton, Bedfordshire.

 

What prefix on the car?

SA, SB, SC, SD, SE, SF, SG, SH, SJ

Scotland

KA, KB, KC, KD, KE, KF, KG, KH, KJ, KK, KL  -  Luton

13 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

What prefix on the car?

SA, SB, SC, SD, SE, SF, SG, SH, SJ

Scotland

KA, KB, KC, KD, KE, KF, KG, KH, KJ, KK, KL  -  Luton

SG

14 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

What prefix on the car?

SA, SB, SC, SD, SE, SF, SG, SH, SJ

Scotland

KA, KB, KC, KD, KE, KF, KG, KH, KJ, KK, KL  -  Luton

Well it should be assuming it has the newer style of plate of 2 letters and 2 digits and 3 letters, then it should be one of these SA, SB, SC, SD, SE, SF, SG, SH, SJ as they are all Glasgow, SK, SL, SM, SN, SO are Edinburgh, SP, SR, SS, ST are Dundee, SU, SV, SW are Aberdeen, SX, SY are Inverness.

 

My own car is BT and that is Birmingham as are BA, BB, BC, BD, BE, BF, BG, BH, BJ, BK, BL, BM, BN, BO, BP, BR, BS, BT, BU, BV, BW, BX, BY  

 

And the answer is?

Edited 30 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

@Graham Butcher there are fleets of EV,s in Scottish local authorities without Scottish Licencing area registrations.  Hundreds were in car parks in Glasgow during COVID never getting used, the same in Angus and many other places around the country.  Fleets of Polestars and others at Airports registered just anyplace but not Scotland identifiers.     My point to you was no shortage of EV,s to be seen.    And there might well be a bought percentage considering that just cars registered in Scotland there seems to be 1 for every 2 people yet how many of the population are children or too old to drive or just do not drive.    The car supermarkets compounds and dealerships are overflowing with cars that are In Trade.    As will be the case many places around the UK. 

Ps.  The DVLA know where VED is being renewed at.  There will be fleet renewals, lease vehicles, exempt VED renewed by Motability etc, but maybe 1/2 or under that are privately owned and renewals, especially over 3 years old ones.   The DVLA will know more once there is VED to be paid on EV,s where they are with private owners.          I am just someone that looks at reg plates and to see what and maybe from where or where first registered

 Especially with BEV,s.    I also remember what and where I see personal plates. 

Edited 30 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

@Ootohere I'm not too sure as to the reason for those photos being attached to your post, as a quick DVLA check on the registration numbers revels that only Adventure Carrick van is electric, the blue Fiat is petrol, the 2 fords van/pickup are both diesel and the Cook van is also a diesel and is showing on the DVLA database as SORN?

The BMW is a diesel hybrid, the VW is a diesel and Ford Kuga is a petrol hybrid.

 

I still don't buy the notion that Scotland has more electric cars than anywhere else in the UK. The only quantifiable source of information we have is the place of first registration, as shown by the DVLA and those figures I have quoted. That being said however, as I have said to @Stonekeeper that there might some mileage in some cars being registered in the rest UK and then sold in Scotland, but equally some Scottish registered cars could well have been sold in the rest of the UK. Fact is that we don't have those figures, and we have to admit that there is nothing to prevent that from happening, but on the probability of Scotland having more electric cars than the rest of the UK is very unlikely.

Edited 30 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

Nail on head, exactly, we do not have these figures, so going by what you see or bother to see means nothing.

 

Point being,  car parks, street out side, personal plates, and plates from anyplace in the UK and not even half First Registered in Scotland that are on original plates.

 

You do not know how many EV,s there are in Scotland on a permanent basis, or how many Scottish registered are elsewhere.

 

Really @Graham Butcher what you buy matters not one bit really, there are plenty, there are what ever there are, and there are areas with not many, and areas with lots.

There are areas pathetic for public charging, and where home charging does not suit the type of housing there is. 

 

Councils / Local Authorities and the Police spend public money on buying and leasing EV,s that are not used and they have been doing it for a good few years now. They even replace at 3 years ones that have not been used. 

Edited 30 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

9 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Nail on head, exactly, we do not have these figures, so going by what you see or bother to see means nothing.

 

Point being,  car parks, street out side, personal plates, and plates from anyplace in the UK and not even half First Registered in Scotland that are on original plates.

 

You do not know how many EV,s there are in Scotland on a permanent basis, or how many Scottish registered are elsewhere.

 

Really @Graham Butcher what you buy matters not one bit really, there are plenty, there are what ever there are, and there are areas with not many, and areas with lots.

There are areas pathetic for public charging, and where home charging does not suit the type of housing there is. 

Totally agree, but the point is that all I have said at the start of this discussion is that I don't see that many BEV cars being driven around here, and I guess one reason for that has been because of the lack of public chargers and even "Dave takes it On" actually made a similar comment about Chelmsford being very badly supported for charging, but he then went onto praise Braintree for its recently opened Electric Forecourt. The nearer to London I go, the more I see electric cars on the road, as they are in their element in large cities and London does have pretty good charging infrastructure.

Equally I also said that the most common electric car around Chelmsford is the Tesla and that maybe because of 2 reasons, firstly the local Tesla centre and its charging hub, secondly, they generally are used more for longer trips as they have one of the best ranges of electric cars, coupled with the best charging infrastructure.

Tesla are everywhere around Scotland, driving, parked, charging, out and about and of all ages, and being near a TESLA Dealer / Center / Service place matter not a jot really.

Travellers / reps travel and what matters is Tesla Super hubs or charging facilities. 

 

11 Supercharger Hubs in Scotland.

3 Dealer Centres.

 

140 in the UK. 

 

Edited 30 September, 20241 yr by Ootohere

6 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Tesla are everywhere around Scotland, driving, parked, charging, out and about and of all ages, and being near a TESLA Dealer / Center / Service place matter not a jot really.

Travellers / reps travel and what matters is Tesla Super hubs or charging facilities. 

 

11 Supercharger Hubs in Scotland.

3 Dealer Centres.

 

140 in the UK. 

 

Indeed they do seem to be the car of choice for most reps. 

Maybe, for some in the past, but there were many with issues who jumped ship, Polestar aplenty, jags, Porshe and all the rest.   I see the figure for EV,s in Scotland was under 50,000 last August.    Just had 21X up my jacksy.  No idea why they thought their Porsche needed to be behind the car I was rather than me. 

Yeah, some drivers think that they have priveledges that allow them to do what they want. Had one this morning in a BMW almost take me out on a roundabout then proceeded to overtake everyone else by using a bus lane and almost crashing again at the next roundabout. 

Edited 30 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

Towcar 2025 winners

 

Some surprises here for petrol heads

 

 

 

Can't say that I'm surprised really, it is well known that electric cars have that massive wall of torque which is of course important in a tow car and is one of the reasons that the Superb has been one of their firm favourites for so many years, however, what they didn't say in that video is that the towing will rapidly kill the already compromised overall range from a charge as Petrol Ped discovered.

 

 

9 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

WTF, 2 minutes flicking back up a few posts, really does not take up much time at all if you have a decent internet service.

 

For the sake of clarity, which I'm sure most people understood what I meant when I said it, I was talking about waiting while my hypothetical car recharged, I prefer to be at home with my family. Time spent charging is time that I will never get back with my loved ones, that time to me is precious. Seeing as my diesel car and I dare say yours as well is capable of doing with the right conditions, 800+ miles to a tank, taking just 5 minutes to refuel. An electric car would more than likely possibly have to be recharged at a minimum around 3 times and if it was just a small city type car on a long trip, possibly 8 or more times.

 

Does that make it any clearer to you or are you going to continue making snide comments from the sidelines?

 

 

I have a diesel as well as an EV. I rarely use the diesel on long trips as it means as extra stops are needed (we need the usual comfort breaks and food stops but in the diesel we need to make fuel stops on top). Last week I took the diesel on a trip down South and I had to fuel up. From the point where I leftthe Edinburgh bpyass, got to costco (the first filling station I passed) filled up and got back on the bypass it was 25 minutes. This idea that you take 5 minutes is for the birds

 

 

5 hours ago, Ootohere said:

Tesla are everywhere around Scotland, driving, parked, charging, out and about and of all ages, and being near a TESLA Dealer / Center / Service place matter not a jot really.

Travellers / reps travel and what matters is Tesla Super hubs or charging facilities. 

 

11 Supercharger Hubs in Scotland.

3 Dealer Centres.

 

140 in the UK. 

 

 

 

I observed to my son tonight while sitting at a set of lights that there had been quite a change. At the front of the queue, a Tesla Model Y, then a Cupra Born, then a Volvo EV (sorry they all look the same so not sure which one) , then us, behind us a Zoe and then a Model 3.

 

That was just at one junction. To say there are hardly any EVs around is just not real in my experience.

2 hours ago, domhnall said:

 

 

I have a diesel as well as an EV. I rarely use the diesel on long trips as it means as extra stops are needed (we need the usual comfort breaks and food stops but in the diesel we need to make fuel stops on top). Last week I took the diesel on a trip down South and I had to fuel up. From the point where I leftthe Edinburgh bpyass, got to costco (the first filling station I passed) filled up and got back on the bypass it was 25 minutes. This idea that you take 5 minutes is for the birds

 

 

The 25 minutes was taken up by you diverting off your route to go to costco, refuel and make your back to the bypass, the actual time taken to refuel would be approx 5 minutes in reality. If I know that I'm going on a long trip, I will fill up before setting off on that trip, case in point was Sunday, I had to go from home to Heathrow Terminal 5 to collect wife and sister-in-law from their flight and the fuel gauge was showing 120 mile range. So on my to the A12 I had to go past a Tesco, on the same road as I was on, slipped in, refuelled in less then 5 minutes, I was out and back on the A1114 at the Wood Street roundabout ready for the 180 mile round trip with the predicted range showing 865 miles.

 

I thought with you EV guys it was all about planning and yes, I agree that on many occasions you do have to deviate off the normal route to reach a suitable charger, but that is not the case with an ICE car unless you're on a motorway and do not want to pay a premium for the fuel, in which case coming of the normal route is acceptable, but surely it is far better planning to ensure that you enough fuel to cover the journey plus some, just in case you get caught up in the aftermath of an incident and have to sit for a long time while the emergency services deal with the problem, which is exactly what happened on the way back.

 

PS. Why does a diesel mean that you have to make extra stops for fuel, they offer far better range than any EV, as I said, my diesel Superb can return on a long run, especially on motorways and dual carriageways if you can rolling at a steady pace with a light foot, well in excess of 800 miles between fuel stops, show me any normal EV that can even achieve 300 miles, thus meaning that in your EV you would need I suggest at least 4 charging stops.

Edited 30 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

36 minutes ago, domhnall said:

 

 

I observed to my son tonight while sitting at a set of lights that there had been quite a change. At the front of the queue, a Tesla Model Y, then a Cupra Born, then a Volvo EV (sorry they all look the same so not sure which one) , then us, behind us a Zoe and then a Model 3.

 

That was just at one junction. To say there are hardly any EVs around is just not real in my experience.

Again, I never said that and neither has @Ootohere, with the total number of EV's registered in the UK in the last 12 months (I think upto March) there was 1.2million pure BEV's and adding in hybrids and PHEVs, 1.9million electric cars, and so it is perfectly feasible to see several at once and then maybe none for a while etc, and also of course the location would make a big difference to that. In a city centre like London, I have noticed loads of them on some occasions and then another time more ICE then BEVs, its all random, which is exactly as you would expect, given that the percentage of electric cars on the road of all types is something like 3% of the total number of cars currently, so yes, there is not a lot of BEVs in comparison to the number of ICE cars. This video puts that 41.4 million vehicles on the road and the figures he is quoting have come from the UK Gov, so DVLA.

 

How many cars are on the road in the UK in 2024? | Watch (msn.com)

Edited 30 September, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Can't say that I'm surprised really, it is well known that electric cars have that massive wall of torque which is of course important in a tow car and is one of the reasons that the Superb has been one of their firm favourites for so many years, however, what they didn't say in that video is that the towing will rapidly kill the already compromised overall range from a charge as Petrol Ped discovered.

 

 

 

The miro of that caravan is 1824kg. What mpg would a regular BMW get towing that do you think?

 

 

6 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

The miro of that caravan is 1824kg. What mpg would a regular BMW get towing that do you think?

 

I have a gut feeling that it would be in the realm of 30 to 35% less than its normal mpg figure, which is quite a bit better than what the one in the video managed. I used to have a Rover 2000 TC and a caravan and the MPG was down when towing, but not that much.