The coal fired power stations in England will be getting fired up to be sure they are ready for generating enough electricity for England if needs must and those that have a high electricity usage usually will be getting paid more to use less than many pay daily for all their energy usage. 

Time to get fracking for gas & doing more oil extraction more local to where the high demand is for the fuels so that will be in the Southern part of the Kingdom.

 

About time that there were fuel vouchers / allowance issued for what people might reasonably need for domestic home energy and travel use and then additional energy requirements were charged at higher tariffs, electric, gas, petrol, diesel etc. 

 

The £12.50 ULEZ is taking the pith as in you just pay a toll to drive what ever it is you drive that is non compliant.

Then there is seemingly the Classic Car Market booming with people buying vehicles that are exempt due to age. 

1 hour ago, toot said:

The coal fired power stations in England will be getting fired up to be sure they are ready for generating enough electricity for England if needs must and those that have a high electricity usage usually will be getting paid more to use less than many pay daily for all their energy usage. 

Time to get fracking for gas & doing more oil extraction more local to where the high demand is for the fuels so that will be in the Southern part of the Kingdom.

 

About time that there were fuel vouchers / allowance issued for what people might reasonably need for domestic home energy and travel use and then additional energy requirements were charged at higher tariffs, electric, gas, petrol, diesel etc. 

 

The £12.50 ULEZ is taking the pith as in you just pay a toll to drive what ever it is you drive that is non compliant.

Then there is seemingly the Classic Car Market booming with people buying vehicles that are exempt due to age. 

 

The UK is beyond broke ie hovering around a national debt of 100% of GDP, actually 100.5% and talking about spend, spend, we must have a Third Way.   

I would like to see VAT reduced to 5% for charging at public charging station but something like a local collected tax of something like 5p a KWh for local taxes to maintain the area of these charging areas ie those not at McDonalds, Garden Centres even truck road services.

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicspending/bulletins/ukgovernmentdebtanddeficitforeurostatmaast/march2023

 

Would I go back to driving a 40 year plus car, I doubt it so many reasons why not ie virtually no safety features, the suspension, Citroen DSs 1950-1970s vintage maybe the exception I would drive today out of all historic cars.

 

Personally I think we are getting in to the world of EVs quite well and that is despite our lack of direction ie dropping of subsidies I benefitted from for my EV and the home charger as the technology and the business case is making itself the sensible choice for transport, both economically and environmentally.   More companies should take up the grants for vans and the salary sacrifice scheme too IMO which are two of the main sectors doing the high mileage and therefore polluting with ICE cars.       

 

Lets not just give away our government money but look at raise money not only through central government via Excise and VAT but add local taxes to raise money for charging stations.  Ultimate I think geniuses like Musk like crack both the EV transport issue and power supply through technology, and maybe the main land China too, cheap cars, cheap electricity via cheap solar, cheap battery packs. As long as EU, UK, USA do not put up too many strong trade barriers like Anti-Dumping to stem the inevitable tech advancement.  

 

Broxden park and ride had many new chargers going in and while that goes in which has been happening for months and years behind the council getting the EU funding.  So they left the place with one Rapid and 4 fast chargers.  As it was the rapids were more often out of service.  Luckily there is the TESLA superchargers for those that can use them.  Maybe once the hub opens they can open the Tesla superchargers up to non Tesla since they are so seldom used.   There is the Porsche Chargers just a 1/2 mile away and I tried the Rapids down at the nice eatery beside that but paid 75 pence a kWh to get the range I needed so just £3.  Balances out by now charging free before heading home.   I would have used another Rapid at 35 pence a kWh if the lady had not put her Fiat 500 EV on it and it was sitting at 99% before she bothered to come back. 1 rapid charged in the town and an overstay charge after an hour and some could not care less about others and just return in 60 minutes. 

Edited 3 September, 20232 yr by toot

@lol-lol I can agree with you on the Citroens having driven a few of those and also the C5 which also used the same setup, it's like a magic carpet ride in those lovely beasts, the brakes did however take a bit of getting used to, you only to had to touch those rubber buttons, and you were feeling the massive stopping power they gave you.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that part of the dreaded "B" promise was that they could then reduce the VAT on gas and electric and that promise was never kept, and then people wonder I don't trust politicians  

23 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

@lol-lol I can agree with you on the Citroens having driven a few of those and also the C5 which also used the same setup, it's like a magic carpet ride in those lovely beasts, the brakes did however take a bit of getting used to, you only to had to touch those rubber buttons, and you were feeling the massive stopping power they gave you.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that part of the dreaded "B" promise was that they could then reduce the VAT on gas and electric and that promise was never kept, and then people wonder I don't trust politicians  

 

The EU had rules on VAT/GST/TVA sales tax which was to have zero rate and standard rates which must be at least 15% and then one can have a reduced rates, UK chose 5% and used for domestic gas and lecky and there is the option for a super rate, which some EU countries used for luxury cars, could be as high as 34%, which the UK has never used.

 

So UK could have altered VAT rates on the 1st of January 2021, it can also tweak excise duty rates on fuel and lots of other goods as well as alcohol, hydrocarbons for vehicles and tobacco.  Generally UK, whilst not lowering sales tax has kept fuel duty much lower than inflation.  UK government is trying to get much more tax receipts by keeping the income tax thresholds and probably will get quite a bit more income tax, VAT receipts may well be lower as car sales to individuals take a dive, PCP and general lower purchasing of big ticket items to generate VAT.  Reducing VAT might have helped inflation not peak at high as 11% but also unemployment risking from 4% to 4.2% and probably going higher still.

 

 VAT can be avoided by having a VAT registered company and UK VAT law is constantly evolving, which is little publicised like the one with PCP VAT....

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/revenue-and-customs-brief-1-2019-change-to-the-vat-treatment-of-personal-contract-purchases/revenue-and-customs-brief-1-2019-change-to-the-vat-treatment-of-personal-contract-purchases

 

Tax avoidance is still a massive "industry". My time at pwc, one of the big 4 Accountancy/Consultancy firms was an eye opener as to the business of accountancy and tax consultancy.  Many of us in the business were ex-government departments, Inland Revenue, HMC&E, striving to work on tax avoidance (legal), and not evasion (illegal) of course. 

 

UK government makes these tax raising decisions, is trying to make their massive national debt not get out of control ie go well over 100% of GDP during this time of high interest rates, UK two year Gilts around 5% and looking at the 5 and 10 year Gilts it is looking like we could be seeing UK inflation around 4 or 3% years in to the future rather than the 1 or 2% we got use to for the last decade.  This will affect our ability to buy big ticket items as well as the day to day cost of living. 

 

Even being a massive UK government critic must have some sympathy for the financial hit of the pandemic and then the natural gas market spike post Russia-Ukraine.  The great thing about electric cars, over cars powered by oil is electricity can be generated in many ways and the tech, and cost, is improving by 10% or more on the vehicle, the generation and the storage which oil has the issue that much of supply is in the hands of despots.        

 

Facts, we love facts.

but,  

I followed the link and all i found was i was scammed.  By the Master ClickBaiter.  Interesting 2nd vid though.

 

 

 

 

As YouTube premium, I just refuse to watch any click-bait videos so I wouldn’t give them views and thus funding. 
 

A summary/abstract of the “interesting” video would be useful. Only linking to it as source. 

No idea of anyone's interests other than maybe on here vehicles so people need to decide their selves if they want to click or watch.  Or with someone as obvious as the vid maker above maybe just go with the Fish and Chips videos.  My favourite subject. 

37 minutes ago, toot said:

No idea of anyone's interests other than maybe on here vehicles so people need to decide their selves if they want to click or watch.  Or with someone as obvious as the vid maker above maybe just go with the Fish and Chips videos.  My favourite subject. 

Even videos like his with the obvious clickbait can contain a lot of good content. Is the clickbait really any different to a trailer for a film or indeed almost any product you can think off, don't car manufacturers use similar but less obvious ploys to get us all to watch the advert, get a test drive etc, its just a means of attracting attention, it's that simple and as you rightly said, people need to decide for themselves, but I'll throw a caveat in here, if they don't watch then they shouldn't pass any comment about it either.

22 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Even videos like his with the obvious clickbait can contain a lot of good content. Is the clickbait really any different to a trailer for a film or indeed almost any product you can think off, don't car manufacturers use similar but less obvious ploys to get us all to watch the advert, get a test drive etc, its just a means of attracting attention, it's that simple and as you rightly said, people need to decide for themselves, but I'll throw a caveat in here, if they don't watch then they shouldn't pass any comment about it either.

 

Mr Taycan owner proves one can be rich enough to buy a Porsche EV but too dumb to run one.

He leases the Taycan, not sure if that makes him even dumber ?

It’s important to seek valid arguments from both side of the fence. However, they should be delivered in a factual manner and the title outlines the video as a summary. 
 

Not “you can’t believe” or “I’m going to expose”. These emotional charged titles are designed to stir up feels in order to gain platform engagement and thus further recommendation by the algorithm. It’s a modern rabbit hole, much more healthy to ignore and seek out factual contents. 

 

Healthy factual content examples: 

The title are a simple question that is directly answered, or a summary. The delivery are done using factual statements. The contents come from many references found in each description. 
 

 

I would happily watch contents such as above, with multiple well referenced sources, from people who oppose adoption of EV’s. It enables healthy and factual discussions. Rather than waste of bandwidth about rants from an owner who lacks common sense (I did watch one video from the chap in his early days) 

Edited 3 September, 20232 yr by wyx087

21 minutes ago, classic said:

He leases the Taycan, not sure if that makes him even dumber ?

 

Means he can hand it back no ?

Why was he so concerned about its current value then ?

Or the cost of a battery if fully comp as well as under warranty ?

 

I never asked in comments in his vids but i will if he wants to clear up if he bought it or rents it.

Specced it up, financed it and has it on the never never until paid off.

Or on some kind of lease.  

Is it a private vehicles or for business use as his company car?   It says all different sorts of things which contradict each other. 

 

PS

The Briskoda members vid on comparisons of fuels is all good and well.

 

The big difference is Business Users, Commercial Users and the general tax payer / HMRC helping them have a Vehicle as a 'Work Tool', means of transport and BIK, VAT back on fueling it etc.

Grants and loans & all involved with Company cars, self employed etc.

 

A different kettle of fish from someone privately buying Petrol, Diesel, Hydrogen or electric or generating some, 

& employees or self employed buying and using fuels.

 

Edited 3 September, 20232 yr by toot

14 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Means he can hand it back no ?

Why was he so concerned about its current value then ?

Or the cost of a battery if fully comp as well as under warranty ?

 

Could be for dramatic effect, who knows, but it doesn't make the rest of his videos less interesting, the motor museum for instance was very interesting, his food videos and his American videos are entertaining as well as educational.  

32 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Means he can hand it back no ?

Why was he so concerned about its current value then ?

Or the cost of a battery if fully comp as well as under warranty ?

 

 

15 minutes ago, toot said:

I never asked in comments in his vids but i will if he wants to clear up if he bought it or rents it.

Specced it up, financed it and has it on the never never until paid off.

Or on some kind of lease.  

Is it a private vehicles or for business use as his company car?   It says all different sorts of things which contradict each other. 

I have watched some of his videos, I’m sure he has said it is leased.

He does highlight a number of infrastructure issues and servicing “cons” neither of which you can actually blame the car for. It’s quite amusing to me that, whilst he mercilessly slags the car off at all times, it comfortably conveys him all over the country.

Denting the battery requiring a new one is probably equivalent to smashing the sump off an ice car. If he’d hit a block of wood at 70 in a 911 and lost all the engine oil it wouldn’t be cheap.

Edited 3 September, 20232 yr by classic

@classic  The discussion where @Graham Butchersaid he leased it prompted me to link the vid where he was on about buying it, 

cost of finance.

That is where he contradicts him self.

 

Page 38 he is there with the car going in for a service and on about where he bought it, not leased, who supplied it etc.

 

Then he is on about it is leased.

In others all the rubbish about how much value it lost, how much it would cost.

Not a high mileage user.  

 

Debt.  Really, from a lease, driving the car costs money, speccing it up can cost more.

 

 

Edited 3 September, 20232 yr by toot

31 minutes ago, classic said:

 

I have watched some of his videos, I’m sure he has said it is leased.

He does highlight a number of infrastructure issues and servicing “cons” neither of which you can actually blame the car for. It’s quite amusing to me that, whilst he mercilessly slags the car off at all times, it comfortably conveys him all over the country.

Denting the battery requiring a new one is probably equivalent to smashing the sump off an ice car. If he’d hit a block of wood at 70 in a 911 and lost all the engine oil it wouldn’t be cheap.

He also says that he loves the way the car drives, all that low down torque and sheer grunt that it gives, and all that waffle he says about not being as memorable as old ICE cars like those in the museum etc, well all of that will surely depend on what cars were around in your childhood, so a child of the 2030s is more likely to grow up with EV's, and so they will in a few years be the cars that they will have fond memories of when they reach his age, all of that is a given in my book. What I do find of interest and to a large extent agree with him is that of the range between charges does not really make EV's a direct like for like replacement and also the point that I feel he is trying to make is that currently you are unable to jump into your EV and just take off for a long trip and stick to the same route that you would with an ICE, you just know that when you are getting low on fuel and the warning bong and light etc have been activated, that you will come across a filling station a few miles. All without having to deviate away from the main road and direct route that you are on and also that when you get there, there will be more than 1 or 2 pumps for you to use, and you won't have to wait long if they are all in use. With an EV that is not the case today, that to me is really what he is saying and if they can find ways to address those issues what is going to be left for him???

 

I suppose, what I'm saying is that it up to the viewer to try and read between the lines a bit and decide for yourself what is the real truth.

Edited 3 September, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

@Graham Butcheri think we got that a long time back.

Horses for courses,  tools for a job, tools doing jobs.

 

Works cars / vehicles are difference from those for Social, domestic , pleasure vehicles that are for the driver, family, friends or just transport generally.

The thing is some are needing the vehicles for both, work and private use.

 

Sales reps. or as they were 'Commercial travellers' can manage just fine.

Many will not, bit for those that can then they or their employers can save loads of money.

 

So that is a few million vehicles on UK roads.

Some change their routine, or routes, or work life balance, many will hate it and have to change jobs / employers.

 

It is what it is. 

 

A car sales person, but still valid as a vlogger.   Lots of EV club drivers about, and people with EV,s as hire cars.

(They seem to think they must get on an Ultra Rapid Charger, or just don't know because people hiring do not explain.)

 

'Most people'  from him is just a stupid statement.  

 

 

 

Edited 3 September, 20232 yr by toot

@toot Yes, I agree, but sadly there are many who just cannot accept anything said against EV's regardless of the reasons. Have you seen the latest videos of the cars being unloaded from the Fremantle Highway at all? There are a few videos including official Dutch ones, and they have started to pull out some of the EVs, not sure if they are pure EV's or hybrids, but they damaged so certainly were involved in the fire and there is one in particular, a Mercedes-Benz that has dropped into a water tank and covered by a fireproof blanket as it is burning, weeks after the fire has effectively gone out on the ship. The videos also show more water tanks being prepared for yet more cars to occupy. Still no further to knowing what caused the fire in the first place, I expect if it is found to be ship related or ICE, we will be told in due course, but fully expect if it was an EV of some sort, that the report will be embargoed and quietly forgotten about.

@Graham ButcherI watched the video of unloading.   Page 42 posted by @Gaz

 

I watched a fire damaged car, i watched the skip type tank being carried on a fork lift, i heard it was water (h2o) i watched smoke. 

I thought WTF.  

The people are very close as it leaves the ship.  Very close.

 

If the wiring / cables burnt on that car.

 

Is it just plain H2o being used in those tanks, and was it H2o in the ship,  as well as other fire suppression systems.

No fire fighting ships would be pumping sea water and firing that into the ship would they?

 

I thought about the recent flooding in the USA and mention of the Salt Water damaged cars and their Fire Risk. 

 

PS

If i was submerging a vehicle i would submerge it, fully under the liquid.

Exclude the air. Not partially and then top up the tank. 

Full depth tank as used by Fire & Emergency services with EV,s in accidents. 

Edited 3 September, 20232 yr by toot

Watched & listened again to the Ex-fire fighters words.  Maybe it is a Merican thing.  Casual use of language.

Submerged.   Well it is partially submerged, submerged is under water, completely covered, obscured. not just dunked with the windows and roof above the water.

 

Bring in all the water you want that is a low car and the roof is taller than the tank.

 

You need much taller tanks when the EV / PHEV / Mild Hybrid SUV,s come out of the ship.

Edited 3 September, 20232 yr by toot

@toot Its my take on what they are doing is trying to cool the battery packs down don't need to completely submerge the cars, just enough water to cover the battery levels, the cover is just to contain the fire and prevent it spreading to others if it goes nuclear. Its my understanding that with car carriers they do not use water to fight fires because the water slooshing about on the decks will make the ship unstable and capsize like the MS Herald of Free Enterprise did so what do is to seal each deck off, hence no windows in the ships hull and then release vast amounts of stored CO2 which is kept in huge tanks on deck or on the 1st level below. Because the batteries being used in EV's they as part of the combustion process they generate vast amounts of oxygen which negates the CO2 so the fire will continue to burn. In all the videos on TV news of the fire, there was never any real presence of the normal black smoke that normal hydrocarbons generate when burning, a giveaway of the presence of EV batteries being in the fire was that the smoke was more white / light grey that such batteries generate.

And as you correctly said, they won't use seawater for fear of the water slooshing about and making the ship capsize, plus sal****er reacts with batteries and could cause them to reignite again and again as the salt forms conductive bridges between the cells.

Well until we hear from experts we will not know, but on public view these people must know what they are doing.

 

The Video guy does not know what the car is and neither do i.  

As to his other comments, the blind leading the blind IMO.

 

PS

We have an Ex Mariner that participates in this thread.

Maybe others as well with knowledge of ships and fires and fire fighting & salvage. 

 

Under water,. not in water.

 

 

 

Edited 3 September, 20232 yr by toot

On a normal ship I expect they would use water as cargo ships in particular place cargo in holds and there are many holds along the length of the ship so they could theoretically almost flood a hold if required to fight a fire as there are watertight bulkheads between holds. That is not the case on car carriers as the entire level/deck is just like that of a multi-storey car park with ramps going from floor to floor which can be sealed off. But there are no partitions to break up that entire level, so water would be free to rush about the deck/level as the ship rolls on the waves. The same reason why they have to tie each car down to the deck and that prevents fire blankets being used to seal the fire off