Ukraine - war ? UK only economic sanctions or military action too ? Is the Ukraine issue simple or complex ?

[cheezemonkhai]

This would be the same Tsars brutally murdered by a certain founding member of the communist party?

 

Madness. 
 

As for Chernobyl, some stray shots, bombs or missiles and the local area at least will quite likely be highly radioactive again 😕

[@Lee]

 

 

 

 

[@Lee]

I can't verify obviously.

 

 

 

 

 

[@Lee]

This would be about now if true 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[@Lee]

Again, 'if true' applies as there's so much to sift through, this could be be Putin's big mistake. The internal opposition in his own country to invasion in Ukraine. Like any dictator he'll be keen to shut it down.

 

 

[cheezemonkhai]

Sadly I see a new wall between east and west.
I imagine plenty of Eastern European countries will be looking at how they could buy themselves time in such an event.

[Ootohere]

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40814802.html

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/exports/russia

 

I wondered what a neutral country like the Irish Republic were going to contribute to helping the Ukraine & what they might have to do about Russia and Sanctions if anything with them being in the EU so was having a google.

 

https://irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-drawing-up-contingencies-for-energy-cyber-security-after-ukraine-invasion-1.4811343

 

So they get fertiliser from Russia

& export about 60 million euro  worth of food imports to Russia. 

 

Interesting that Ireland is having to look at where it gets its coal. So they still produce electric from coal!

Then that they get Gas from the UK who only have 44% of the gas it needs from the UK waters and has to import gas.

Also what they are saying about the States National Oil Reserves.

 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60509603

 

Edited 25 February, 2022 by roottoot

[xman]

Truly horrific scenes playing out in the Ukraine. I cant even imagine the terror many are feeling and the brutality that is going on. Those desperately trying to flee now finding fuel in short supply, 15 hour queues at the borders according to some press reports.

 

The west are in a catch 22 situation, if they cut off Swift, Russia dont get paid for exports, so exports don't get exported. Ukraine is now no longer be able to export their wheat and other commodities. Price of wheat barreling upwards. Russia so big on oil gas coal cereals metals and all commodities we take for granted.

 

However did we get into this dire position?

Edited 25 February, 2022 by xman

[xman]

Some wazock whatsapped me this morning with a candle meme saying show solidarity with Ukraine by lighting a candle at 8pm. What??

 

I'm tempted to answer saying I'm too busy banging some pots and pans for the NHS.

[xman]

I don't know what upset me more

 

Myanmar's military junta expressed Thursday its support for Russia's invasion of Ukraine,

 

https://www.voanews.com/a/myanmar-s-military-council-supports-russia-s-invasion-0f-ukraine/6458527.html

 

Or

 

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle say they 'stand with' the people of Ukraine and urge world leaders to join them opposing Putin's 'breach of international and humanitarian law' 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10549453/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-say-stand-people-Ukraine.html

Douchebags everywhere.

Edited 25 February, 2022 by xman

[lol-lol]

14 minutes ago, xman said:

I don't know what upset me more

 

Myanmar's military junta expressed Thursday its support for Russia's invasion of Ukraine,

 

https://www.voanews.com/a/myanmar-s-military-council-supports-russia-s-invasion-0f-ukraine/6458527.html

 

Or

 

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle say they 'stand with' the people of Ukraine and urge world leaders to join them opposing Putin's 'breach of international and humanitarian law' 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10549453/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-say-stand-people-Ukraine.html

 

Douchebags everywhere.

 

Put him in an Mi-8. Bit of a step down from an Apache.

 

 

Edited 25 February, 2022 by lol-lol

[xman]

Chernobyl radiation levels increasing probably due to disturbance of top soil from heavy trucks.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-nuclear-agency-reports-higher-chernobyl-radiation-levels-due-heavy-2022-02-25/

 

Speculation in some press reports that Russia may want to use Chernobyl to blackmail the west, though that sounds a bit like a suicide vest wearer's mentality.

[xman]

Russia bans British airlines from its airspace

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60505417

 

Wonder if other airlines will follow?

[skomaz]

It's a bad situation all round - I just hope someone sees sense and bumps him off...

 

Interestingly I've seen nothing from north Korea yet - I'd expect them to be siding with Russia as well...

[@Lee]

Just been reading this thread on Twitter. Sounds plausible. 

Full thread here > https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1497114464176463880.html

[lol-lol]

1 hour ago, xman said:

Russia bans British airlines from its airspace

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60505417

 

Wonder if other airlines will follow?

 

This will mean a complete rescheduling of anything that flew threw or near Russian or Ukrainian airspace which is a lot as flying north on the Great Circle paths is the most efficient and hence more fuel will be used going from air controller beacon to beacon avoid their airspace.

 

Shame we will lose access to some of the Antonov aircraft which we occasional charter for special movements which western aircraft cannot handle.

Rumours that the one off 225 may have been destroyed or damaged, fighting all around the unique aircraft at Kiev airport, last heard Russian just captured that part of the Kiev airport. 

 

[Ootohere]

Hungary turning back men 18 - 60 at the border.  They say they should fight. Which is what their Ukrainian government told them.    Time that the UN have Blue Helmets at the Borders.  Only issue is that in the past they have stood back watching people be murdered. 

 

 

1995. Europe.

https://politico.eu/interactive/evidence-of-atrocities-fragments-of-the-bosnian-war

http://bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49042372

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 25 February, 2022 by roottoot

[@Lee]

Nadine Dorries Tweeted last night 'Action. We stand with Ukraine'. Perhaps her and Priti Patel need to talk to each other or Nadine Dorries needs to add 'except those fleeing war' to her Tweet.
 

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Britain has not set up a route for Ukrainian refugees to reach UK shores, it emerged last night, as thousands headed to the border following the Russian invasion.

The UK has stopped accepting visa applications from Ukrainians stuck in the country, meaning there is no safe and legal route for them to seek asylum in Britain unless they have British relatives.

Countries surrounding Ukraine are braced for an exodus and the UN Refugee Agency has warned of “devastating humanitarian consequences”.

The United States has predicted that up to 5 million people could be displaced by the conflict, and Poland alone is preparing to receive up to 1 million refugees.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ukraine-war-refugees-uk-visas-b2022567.html

[xman]

54 minutes ago, roottoot said:

Hungary turning back men 18 - 60 at the border.  They say they should fight. Which is what their Ukrainian government told them.    Time that the UN have Blue Helmets at the Borders.  Only issue is that in the past they have stood back watching people be murdered. 

 

 

1995. Europe.

https://politico.eu/interactive/evidence-of-atrocities-fragments-of-the-bosnian-war

 

 

I think you’ll find if anyone is turning back men 18-60 at any border, its the Ukrainian border guards. There is martial law declared in Ukraine and there is an outright ban on these men to leave and compulsory conscription.

https://dailypost.ng/2022/02/25/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-bans-men-aged-18-to-60-from-leaving-country/

 

Many driving their families to the border, dropping them off and then turning back to return to the fight.

 

Poland has waived all Covid and Visa requirements for people fleeing.

 

 

Edited 25 February, 2022 by xman

[Ootohere]

Good then that the Ukraine have enough Borders Guards to post them at the Border with the EU at Beregsurany. 

Edited 25 February, 2022 by roottoot

[xman]

From tv coverage I watched on Polish TV this morning, Ukrainian men are not trying to flee they are simply evacuating their wives and young children and then going straight back to do what they strongly believe is their duty. Interviews show how they are returning to engage in the war without anyone turning them back.

 

Brave people.

 

Btw I speak Polish fluenty, watch Polish news channels regularly and have a far deeper understanding of eastern european politics and history than you may think.

[Ootohere]

It will all come out in the wash.

The Hungarians in the Ukraine will get back and there are many, &  If Putin tells Victor Orban to let other men through he will.

https://hungarytoday.hu/people-from-ukraine-already-fleeing-to-hungary/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 25 February, 2022 by john999boy
Updated hyperlink

[@Lee]

4 minutes ago, xman said:

Error 404

 

 

2 minutes ago, roottoot said:

You can see the key words so sorry if the link is wrong but just google it. 

Is this it?
https://hungarytoday.hu/ukrainian-war-refugees-hungarian-border-ethnic-hungarians/

[Ootohere]

If i was a soldier by choice the last thing i would want with me is a conscript that does not want to be there who has a gun. 

[xman]

2 minutes ago, roottoot said:

If i was a soldier by choice the last thing i would want with me is a conscript that does not want to be there who has a gun. 

Well its a good job you're not then.