26 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

I've been watching this thread for a while now and I can't help but wonder if this is not all part of the forth coming great plan to introduce road charging by the mile, time and type of roads used, after all, they can't track you with the current sat nav system, but, start using an an app like Apple Play, or Android Auto and you can be tracked, so is all part of big brother watching us, it makes you wonder if it is all part of a bigger scheme of things.

 

Personally I use a Tom Tom sat nav with lifetime map and speed camera updates which works well when paired with a mobile phone as their system draws information from other Tom Tom users who are using mobiles for updates. They can detect traffic events in real time and display traffic jams on the screen by turning the road red and will if you have an active route in operation, present with an alternative route if it finds one and tell it has another route, and also tell you how much time it will save you. It will also ask you if you want to accept it and then if yes, proceed to direct you around the hold up. I started using that system a few years ago when it got expensive to keep buying new map updates on cd/dvd formats for my old mk2 Superb.

 

EDIT.

Just a thought, does this also affect the SOS system installed in the mk3's?

I am not paranoid but ...................

No they just pulled the plug on what they thought was a legacy system and the user companies didn't want to pay up. Connected cars have a subscription basis so that income they can divi up to the providers. TMC was funded by the companies from car sales. Google Maps and Apple advertising income come from being part of their eco system. Those and connected cars spy on your location and travel speed to feed into the system road conditions. TMC used roadside radar and Highways data. I believe their is a market in traffic condition data used by Google, Apple, TomTom and connected cars which they sell to each other where Microsoft Bing get it from and TomTom. You probably get taught this at Uni if doing a degree. I did read it somewhere 😉.

9 minutes ago, Tell said:

Those and connected cars spy on your location and travel speed to feed into the system road conditions.

 

They don’t even need a connected app. Base stations can triangulate your phones location as it hops through cells on their network. They use this anonymised data to detect traffic jams on major roads. If a set of phones are travelling 50-70 miles an hour and all slow or come to a halt in roughly the same location, that’s a jam.

 

For those of you with MIB2 High systems there’s a solution. MIB adaptation channel IDE05111 - Fee based traffic information needs to be set to 32782. This is tested and working on Audi TT and I presume other MIB2 High systems as well.

https://www.ttforum.co.uk/threads/fixed-rds-tmc-no-longer-working-in-uk.2032197/#post-9622197

25 minutes ago, NigelR99 said:

I am not paranoid…

…I only think everyone is out to get me?

7 minutes ago, pcbbc said:

…I only think everyone is out to get me?

Nah. Telegraph readers it's the blob.

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

I've been watching this thread for a while now and I can't help but wonder if this is not all part of the forth coming great plan to introduce road charging by the mile, time and type of roads used, after all, they can't track you with the current sat nav system, but, start using an an app like Apple Play, or Android Auto and you can be tracked, so is all part of big brother watching us, it makes you wonder if it is all part of a bigger scheme of things.

 

Personally I use a Tom Tom sat nav with lifetime map and speed camera updates which works well when paired with a mobile phone as their system draws information from other Tom Tom users who are using mobiles for updates. They can detect traffic events in real time and display traffic jams on the screen by turning the road red and will if you have an active route in operation, present with an alternative route if it finds one and tell it has another route, and also tell you how much time it will save you. It will also ask you if you want to accept it and then if yes, proceed to direct you around the hold up. I started using that system a few years ago when it got expensive to keep buying new map updates on cd/dvd formats for my old mk2 Superb.

 

EDIT.

Just a thought, does this also affect the SOS system installed in the mk3's?

Yes Graham the Tom Tom is a more accurate system paired with a smart phone. I my case the old Trafficmaster was good enough and was part of the navigation unit built into the car. I own neither a smart phone or a Tom Tom and do not want to go back to having things stuck to my dashboard which I have to remove when leaving the car for fear of having them stolen.

2 hours ago, Hillbilly23 said:

Yes Graham the Tom Tom is a more accurate system paired with a smart phone. I my case the old Trafficmaster was good enough and was part of the navigation unit built into the car. I own neither a smart phone or a Tom Tom and do not want to go back to having things stuck to my dashboard which I have to remove when leaving the car for fear of having them stolen.

I totally understand, I used to think the same way, and I love the small display appearing in the main instrument cluster and for years I was happy with the built in system, until I had to have a courtesy car for a few weeks while my mk2 was off the road after being rear ended. As I was technical sales rep I still needed a satnav but the Citroen Saxo (courtesy car) never had it, so I had to purchase one, either that or buy a load of new maps. I saw then just how handy they were, being easily transported from car to car should the need arise and free map updates and also free speed camera warnings etc, Couple that with their ability to know the speed limit for the road your are on, they have saved my licence many times. Recently there has been a growing trend towards lowering speed limits in city/town roads to 20mph from 30 or 40mph and in strange place the warning alert they give you, can mean you get to keep your licence and in almost 60 years of driving, I have never had a fine or points on my licence. In the end I used to use the Tom Tom for new maps and camera warnings and use the built-in satnav when the destinations was on the old map. Now the maps are way out of date and the TMC is not working, I'm so glad I have the Tom Tom, it just works and because they are now also considered old fashioned with many people using smartphones, I have no worries about it being stolen, they have no mass appeal anymore.

10 hours ago, pcbbc said:

For those of you with MIB2 High systems there’s a solution. MIB adaptation channel IDE05111 - Fee based traffic information needs to be set to 32782. This is tested and working on Audi TT and I presume other MIB2 High systems as well.

https://www.ttforum.co.uk/threads/fixed-rds-tmc-no-longer-working-in-uk.2032197/#post-9622197

 

Just need a workaround for MIB2 Low now, if any. 

59 minutes ago, hhcd80 said:

 

Just need a workaround for MIB2 Low now, if any. 

My understanding for MIB2 Standard is that it should be possible with the Here maps used up until 2020 (V12). After that I am told the map supplier was changed to TomTom and therefore only includes the now defunct TrafficMaster.

I don’t have access to a MIB2 Standard system to test with however. So basically you’re on your own with that. Sorry.

 

A starter for 10 can be found here where the AUS/NZ maps were modified to add support for Here traffic.

1 hour ago, hhcd80 said:

 

Just need a workaround for MIB2 Low now, if any. 

 

For mib2 high it may come down to finding the correct value to stick in Obdeleven. My current screen unchanged:

 

 

I did manage to loose a post just then 🤔.

 

Recreating what I said. That 15 I believe is the TMC Provider Sets if the post below is correct.

 

https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/index.php?threads/enabling-tmc-in-the-uk-is-it-possible.386243/page-2

 

May be 1021 or 21 are good ones to try. You save and reboot the unit to get it to take.

 

I had this conversation on the 15 setting with someone who used VCDS a few years back. Retrofitters never returned the unit back to them correctly set up, so I gave them the 15, but they were on different codes. 

 

Trusty DV52 / Don on this post.

 

https://forum.obdeleven.com/thread/6614/enable-traffic-information

 

If 32782 is the solution then for Obdeleven it's a question of getting it in. Don's end post has the 15 in it.

 

 

Edited 9 June, 20232 yr by Tell

SEAT owner here joining in the frustration from the other side.

 

Don't suppose anyone has found a VCDS fix for the RNS510, similar to the MIB2 fix mentioned above?

1 hour ago, hhcd80 said:

 

Just need a workaround for MIB2 Low now, if any. 

 

I actually have a work around for the MIB2 STD ( Amundsen ) but unfortunately  as stated by pcbbc it will only work on maps up to V12 as VAG changed the map supplier for the MIB2 STD after that version. Unfortunately, it's not as simple to achieve as the MIB2HIGH and it involves changing map files and uploading a file to your unit using MIB2Toolbox . Not for the fainthearted! but it does work. So basically, as it stands at the moment, it's a choice of using an up to date map and no TMC or an out of date map ( version 20/21 ) but with free TMC.

7 minutes ago, pcbbc said:

My understanding for MIB2 Standard is that it should be possible with the Here maps used up until 2020 (V12). After that I am told the map supplier was changed to TomTom and therefore only includes the now defunct TrafficMaster.

I don’t have access to a MIB2 Standard system to test with however. So basically you’re on your own with that. Sorry.

 

A starter for 10 can be found here where the AUS/NZ maps were modified to add support for Here traffic.

I got access to both units but being a big lazy and too hot to sit in the car 🤔. It is true that the mib2 standard uses TomTom maps for a few years now. The files are put together by a German company that VAG uses from the cartography of HereMaps for mib2 high, TomTom for mib2 standard. It could be the where with all is in the standard maps.

 

I'd like to get it working on the high first (mine) rather than going off on one on both. There isn't much traffic round here and signal strength is low round here why I'm not rushing into fiddle with things.  

14 minutes ago, bigade1 said:

 

I actually have a work around for the MIB2 STD ( Amundsen ) but unfortunately  as stated by pcbbc it will only work on maps up to V12 as VAG changed the map supplier for the MIB2 STD after that version. Unfortunately, it's not as simple to achieve as the MIB2HIGH and it involves changing map files and uploading a file to your unit using MIB2Toolbox . Not for the fainthearted! but it does work. So basically, as it stands at the moment, it's a choice of using an up to date map and no TMC or an out of date map ( version 20/21 ) but with free TMC.

Ok I think we'll stick with fresh maps but no TMC on the mib2 standard... not much traffic in these rural parts of Wales.

 

As for the mib2 high, the current setting of 15 wasn't doing too much as I posted up above so may be I'll try 32782 later... if it will take it. Guess it will knock out foreign services if you take it abroad. 15 was a set that matched those and the UK TMC free service.

Edited 9 June, 20232 yr by Tell

You need to look in your maps TmcProviderSets.xml and then reference to TmcProviders.xml to determine the correct coding values to use for Set ID.  Note the above links are for AUS/NZ maps, and so are probably not the same as current EU maps.

 

In TmcProviders you’ll find which provider ID you need…

<tmc_provider name="Trafficmaster" id="2">
<tmc_provider name="Inrix" id="12">

 

And then in TmcProviderSets you find the adaptation value you need to code to enable that provider ID. From the above example (which almost certainly isn’t correct for Europe) you can see that Set ID 15 includes provider Trafficmaster (2) but not INRIX (12)…

<tmc_provider_set id="15" use_free_tmc="true"

use_online_traffic="false">

<provider_ref id="1" mode="non-exclusive" />

<provider_ref id="2" mode="non-exclusive" />

<provider_ref id="5" mode="non-exclusive" />

<provider_ref id="9" mode="non-exclusive" />

<provider_ref id="13" mode="non-exclusive" />

</tmc_provider_set>

You’ll either need to find a Set ID to code that includes INRIX (fairly safe modifying only coding) or modify the map xml configuration files like catatonicShrimp did for AUS/NZ (here be dragons if you don’t know what you are doing).
 

 

Forgive my ignorance, but I keep seeing references made to MIB this and that etc, how do we know which it is that we have in our cars?

Edited 9 June, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

Good question, I believe I have a MIB2  and not .5 or high but never found a definitive document to aid identification. 

8 minutes ago, Tell said:

As for the mib2 high, the current setting of 15 wasn't doing too much as I posted up above so may be I'll try 32782 later... if it will take it. Guess it will knock out foreign services if you take it abroad. 15 was a set that matched those and the UK TMC free service.

For MIB2 High…

Replace 15 with 14

Replace 32783 with 32782

Yes, you will lose some services abroad when in Finland or Hungary. Of course you can code back to your original value if you ever visit there.

 

For reference the TMC json configuration file for MIB2 are in the Mib2\NavDB\mapStyles_eu\0\default\x\navigation_styles_XX_EU.iso and look in folder Ti for file paytmc.json

14 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Forgive my ignorance, but I keep seeing references made to MIB this and that etc, how do we know which it is that we have in our cars?

 

From 2015-2019 model mib2. Standard if it uses a map card. High if the maps are on an internal SSD. If you hit media button and eventual says juke box that's a mib2 high. Alternative way of find a mib2 high from a mib2 standard. The juke box is the spare SSD space on the high unit you can also store music on.

16 minutes ago, pcbbc said:

For MIB2 High…

Replace 15 with 14

Replace 32783 with 32782

Yes, you will lose some services abroad when in Finland or Hungary. Of course you can code back to your original value if you ever visit there.

 

For reference the TMC json configuration file for MIB2 are in the Mib2\NavDB\mapStyles_eu\0\default\x\navigation_styles_XX_EU.iso and look in folder Ti for file paytmc.json

I've yet to see where 32783 goes in on Obdeleven.

 

May be 14 is sufficient as the tmc provider set as far as Obdeleven ?.

So mine is the MIB2 std  thanks, it was that talk of a fix for MIB2 high that got me thinking.  Thanks

There is a fix but old maps and technical where with all. Above.

 

May be more info is required.

 

 

17 minutes ago, Tell said:

I've yet to see where 32783 goes in on Obdeleven.

 

May be 14 is sufficient as the tmc provider set as far as Obdeleven ?.

Nowhere.  The values are all the same setting for IDE501111.  Different MIB2 units are coded differently with different settings…
32783 is online traffic permitted + Trafficmaster RDS TMC

32782 is online traffic permitted + ITIS/INRIX RDS TMC

15 is NO online traffic, Trafficmaster RDS TMC

14 is NO online traffic, ITIS/INRIX RDS TMC

 

So for MIB2 High you will need to code either 32782 (if your current setting is 32783) OR code 14 (if your current setting is 15).

19 minutes ago, pcbbc said:

Nowhere.  The values are all the same setting for IDE501111.  Different MIB2 units are coded differently with different settings…
32783 is online traffic permitted + Trafficmaster RDS TMC

32782 is online traffic permitted + ITIS/INRIX RDS TMC

15 is NO online traffic, Trafficmaster RDS TMC

14 is NO online traffic, ITIS/INRIX RDS TMC

 

So for MIB2 High you will need to code either 32782 (if your current setting is 32783) OR code 14 (if your current setting is 15).

It's going to be 14 then I'll test later. Seats never got online traffic on the mib2 high.