@pcbbcWell done that is indeed the solution on a mib2 hìgh.

 

 

Reboot of the infotainment unit.... The long hold on the on / off.

 

No cross in TMC... looking good.

 

Route into Essex.

 

 

 

I thought a DIY solution was going to be the answer 😉. Not sure which services it will pick up abroad now mind you.

 

For others it was done with the Obdeleven with the Pro license. Works with a dongle white on an Android or the Next Gen black one Android or iPhone with the Pro licenses. People will be able to do this with VCDS. You have to feed that field in the 5f module, reboot the unit and Bobs your Uncle.

 

Solved by the community.

 

VAG will be scratching their ..... for at least 6 month's more minimum. 

Ok for those of us who have zero clue what some of the techie answers are can you break it down into layman’s terms

@bigade1Do you want to give a blow by blow account of what to do on a mib2 standard. I guess if you have two map cards you could swap between the old and new maps as it took your fancy once the software surgery was done on the unit. It was not tie it into the maps that was done just tinkering the TMC side in the unit. That would be a good solution for the best of both worlds.

28 minutes ago, Mattnam said:

Ok for those of us who have zero clue what some of the techie answers are can you break it down into layman’s terms

Mib2 high which is called the Columbus in Skoda name is easy enough. Just that coding change to bump it onto the other UK TMC provider as @pcbbcworked out from looking at the map file code. See above. Need to do the coding, cost about £130 if you have not got Obdeleven already, pass on VCDS costs or find someone to do it.

 

The mib2 standard is more techi one suspects. In both instances a good retrofitter would be able to do it once they know what they need to do. Mib2 high would be a dodle to them.

Edited 9 June, 20232 yr by Tell

19 minutes ago, Tell said:

Need to do the coding, cost about £130 if you have not got Obdeleven already, pass on VCDS costs or find someone to do it.

For anyone in or around SE London (Bromley) and prepared to bring me their MIB2 High equipped vehicle I’m happy to make the coding change for you*.

Send me a PM.

* I reserve the right to withdrawn my offer if I get snowed under with requests.

Hang on sorry, so I’ve got mib2.5 (I think) with the very latest maps, does that mean no matter what values are changed TMC won’t work?

1 hour ago, Mattnam said:

Ok for those of us who have zero clue what some of the techie answers are can you break it down into layman’s terms

Amundsen units (MIB2 Standard) - Maps stored permanently on SD card

Fix possible only for maps up until 2020 (V12)

Requires hacking about with MIB2Toolbox

Columbus units (MIB2 High) - Maps copied to internal flash storage (after which you can remove SD card)

Fix possible with all maps up to and including latest 2023/2024 (P330)

Simple coding adaptation (Requires VCDS, OBDEleven, etc)

29 minutes ago, Danoid said:

Hang on sorry, so I’ve got mib2.5 (I think) with the very latest maps, does that mean no matter what values are changed TMC won’t work?

Traffic Master went off air in Aoril. Like Radio Luxembourg of old you can listen to another station 🤔. Mib2 high solution above. @bigade1has the mib2 standard solution. We need that documented.

 

Bigade1 is the top one. Pcbbc is the bottom one of the two fixes.

Edited 9 June, 20232 yr by Tell

2 hours ago, Tell said:

@bigade1Do you want to give a blow by blow account of what to do on a mib2 standard.

 

I'm holding back to see if I can come up with a simpler patch that wouldn't need the use of the MIB2Toolbox. It would make it a lot simpler for people to do it. Basically just copying and pasting a single folder into your V12 or earlier map. As soon as I can accomplish it I will post an attachment. Failing that I will explain the long method.

So if changing the code on a mib2high Columbus with latest maps fixes the issue, has anyone emailed back VW, Skoda etc?

 

If it’s as simple as that then this is great news

I know this may be an odd request, does anyone know of a safe place to downgrade there maps? To the 2020 ones? Yes I know I should have backed up a copy lol 😒

24 minutes ago, Danoid said:

So if changing the code on a mib2high Columbus with latest maps fixes the issue, has anyone emailed back VW, Skoda etc?

 

If it’s as simple as that then this is great news

Umm the tricky bit for VAG is they arent paying for the other service. The DIY solution is to turn the knob to the other channel yourself via a software switch. You wont officially get that from VAG since they wont want to pay to be a member of the service. You could sweet talk a member of staff in a garage I expect to do the mib2 high. This is where user coding comes into its own. 

24 minutes ago, Danoid said:

So if changing the code on a mib2high Columbus with latest maps fixes the issue, has anyone emailed back VW, Skoda etc?

 

If it’s as simple as that then this is great news

 

Personally I think that would be a very bad move. It's not just a simple code change - it also involves a licence agreement with the TMC supplier. I'm guessing maybe a six figure sum or more. Also if the TMC supplier gets a whiff of our patches they could force VAG to take their codes out of all future maps or possibly change their encryption method.

3 minutes ago, bigade1 said:

 

Personally I think that would be a very bad move. It's not just a simple code change - it also involves a licence agreement with the TMC supplier. I'm guessing maybe a six figure sum or more. Also if the TMC supplier gets a whiff of our patches they could force VAG to take their codes out of all future maps or possibly change their encryption method.

I would expect that Skoda have already read about it on this forum, I suspect all of us who have contacted Skoda will have mentioned the BriSkoda forum and this thread.

Yes technically you have to raise to the occasion although VAG will probably only be updating the maps till 2025 (5 year period they add to end of production, could be 2024). The window to pull the plug is limited although they will be pulling the plug on map updates soon.

 

So legacy maps with traffic reports till the other provider pulls the plug.

Edited 9 June, 20232 yr by Tell

11 minutes ago, Lamplite1c said:

I know this may be an odd request, does anyone know of a safe place to downgrade there maps? To the 2020 ones? Yes I know I should have backed up a copy lol 😒

It's going to be posted by MartiniB on the side

 

https://www.briskoda.net/forums/forum/7-skoda-audio-electronics-and-security/

 

If those files haven't moved from the location they were originally in.

14 minutes ago, bigade1 said:

 

Personally I think that would be a very bad move. It's not just a simple code change - it also involves a licence agreement with the TMC supplier. I'm guessing maybe a six figure sum or more. Also if the TMC supplier gets a whiff of our patches they could force VAG to take their codes out of all future maps or possibly change their encryption method.

Totally agree - letting VAG know we’re doing this would be an extremely bad move.

Internally VAG, or their map suppliers Here, already know how to do this 100%.  But most likely I think VAG have already ruled it out due to cost. But if VAG want to, or TMC suppliers asked them to, they could very easily remove our ability to do this in future maps.

Any idea if a fix could be applied to an Audi MMI3G B unit. Maps are on SD cards.

 

1 hour ago, pcbbc said:

Totally agree - letting VAG know we’re doing this would be an extremely bad move.

Internally VAG, or their map suppliers Here, already know how to do this 100%.  But most likely I think VAG have already ruled it out due to cost. But if VAG want to, or TMC suppliers asked them to, they could very easily remove our ability to do this in future maps.

Leave it long enough Mr Fixit will be posting YouTube videos to earn money of it 🤣.

 

You just got to accept users that can't sort it out themselves falls into the tough category, VAG decided they didn't want to fund a TMC provider anymore the same as they pull the plug on other services once they stop making that model. So they wont be telling dealerships to do it. Personally I dont think they will tinker with their map processes to remove the feature in case they disturb anything else. It will remain an egg for those that are technically capable or enlist the services of a third party which won't be a VAG dealership. Two years will pass with map updates and long live TMC there after, but could short 🤔. We are on legacy systems now the same as mib1 when mib2 was in its prime.

Interesting developments over the past couple of pages on this thread. 

 

Quick question from someone not so technical - I have a MIB2 Amundsen. Does that mean that I would have to choose between old maps with TMC or new maps without TMC? 

 

Personally I'm still waiting for a definitive response from Skoda but expect it to mirror the one posted a little earlier on this thread, essentially telling me to get stuffed. Once that happens, assuming there is also not a decent manual workaround, I will be in the market for a (non VAG) replacement. 

1 hour ago, joek666 said:

Quick question from someone not so technical - I have a MIB2 Amundsen. Does that mean that I would have to choose between old maps with TMC or new maps without TMC?

Unfortunately correct.

However I expect it’s 1 more choice than VAG are likely to give you.

1 hour ago, joek666 said:

Interesting developments over the past couple of pages on this thread. 

 

Quick question from someone not so technical - I have a MIB2 Amundsen. Does that mean that I would have to choose between old maps with TMC or new maps without TMC? 

 

Personally I'm still waiting for a definitive response from Skoda but expect it to mirror the one posted a little earlier on this thread, essentially telling me to get stuffed. Once that happens, assuming there is also not a decent manual workaround, I will be in the market for a (non VAG) replacement. 

I have been looking at Merc's and Volvo's as my next car, VAG can go do one!!

On 05/06/2023 at 19:16, PetrolDave said:

Does it not also affect pre 2015 MIB1 units as these also rely on Trafficmaster TMC for traffic data?

 

3 hours ago, joek666 said:

Quick question from someone not so technical - I have a MIB2 Amundsen. Does that mean that I would have to choose between old maps with TMC or new maps without TMC?

 

 

I reckon you could run with a two card set up (if you have two cards), where you can make the choice on the day by slipping in the map you want to use. Bigade1 to confirm. The software mod must craft the unit to use the alternative TMC with the old maps but would happily just run in navigation only without TMC with the latest TomTom maps. Thus if you were on a long run with traffic you would use the old maps but it would not take advantage of new roads or if you were on a cross country trip without traffic you'd use the new maps. You'd make the choice yourself on the day. Least how I think it would work. 

 

We only use the car with the mib2 standard as a run around in Wales but if heading to England (or Cardiff) you'd slip the one with TMC capability in it so you'd get the motorway delays. The user saved destinations / last destinations and user POIs are stored within the unit so switching maps is just changing the map cartography not user saved data on those.

 

I'm going to wait the outcome of @bigade1 research on the best way of doing it on the mid2 standard (Amundsen) if he can find away of avoiding the mib2 standard toolkit / toolbox.

Edited 10 June, 20232 yr by Tell
clarification

In 2011 the Government were aware of  the consequence of loosing RDS-TMC over FM Radio in the document attached. 

 They said "Were the majority of FM stations to broadcast only on DAB today, these millions of navigation units would stop receiving traffic information. The navigation system would still work but would no longer know of congestion, accidents, road works, or other traffic events. Drivers would be less well-informed, and, not knowing of traffic problems, would join, and compound, queues."  This requirement to supply traffic information to motorists appears to be the result of a EU directive presumably cast aside after Brexit however the Government saw a need, They tendered for companies to supply the FM RDS-TMC service in the UK and car manufactures paid for a licence. (I don't know if this is the same process in Europe )  FM-Radio is still with us and the move to DAB wasn't completed so the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of VAG and other cars that are still on the road and will be contributing to the clogging up of the road infrastructure by the inability of the sat nav systems to reroute and miss the traffic jam.  Has there been an increase in traffic jams since April 2023?   Has anybody contacted their MP about this, after all the system in the UK  was requested by the Government so that drivers could be informed about traffic and avoid congestion and pollution, the need is still there.   

Just a thought.........

 

Traffic_and_Travel_Report_1_.pdf