Personally, I think tall cars / SUV's which are only FWD are silly.  How often have I read complaints from 1.5 TSI Karoq owners about wheel spin, especially on DSG models, when pulling out of junctions.  

 

It puzzles me that owners are surprised when tall car = more weight transfer rearwards on acceleration and consequent lowering of adhesion at the front wheels.  

@Sanqhar

 

Using kickdown achieves the same effect,  no need to touch the paddles for an overtake

Edited 16 April, 20233 yr by sussamb

37 minutes ago, Sanqhar said:

 

+1 re the paddles.  My chosen country road overtake is to drop two gears using the left paddle and then when I am done just hold the right paddle for a second and it goes back to the previous driving mode.

 

tom

I am (pretty idly, TBH) toying with the idea of retro-fitting paddles to my car, but am getting by with knocking it into sport mode for overtaking.

Sport mode has the advantage of changing the throttle response as well as the willingness to drop a gear and hold it, so I might actually find that paddles would give me less effective overtaking experience than the one-stop solution of nudging the car in to and out of sport mode.

Agreed. Sport mode then kickdown is more than sufficient.

We test drove both manual and DSG 1.4tsi and 2.0tdi versions of the Kodiak before we purchased and i reckon i could have lived with a DSG as it suited the nature of the car but SWMBO couldn't get on with it at all so we went manual.

 

No regrets at all byt i still wonder every now and then if a DSG might be better suited.

2.0TSI is considerably more expensive to run:

 

- has worse gas mileage due to more horse power (I would consider 1.5TSI as already having a poor mileage while driving in town cause at just over 310miles I will get a low fuel warning on my 1.5TSI karoq)

- has worse gas mileage due to it being heavier cause of the 4x4 system

- regular maintenance and any potential repairs are more expensive due to 4x4 system

- have to pay more in taxes/fees cause of higher horse power/higher CO2 emissions engine

 

so, how much do you value having a little more power in your car? if you do not mind all the added extra cost and having to stop to refuel more often, than go for the 2.0TSI (and if you really need a 4x4, but how many people realistically do really?)

 

 

Edited 17 April, 20233 yr by Fux

16 hours ago, sussamb said:

@Sanqhar

 

Using kickdown achieves the same effect,  no need to touch the paddles for an overtake

Yes it does achieve the same effect but not so instant as the paddles.

 

tom 

3 minutes ago, Sanqhar said:

Yes it does achieve the same effect but not so instant as the paddles.

 

tom 

It is instant. I've tried it in manual mode and there is no difference. You say it's the same effect so not fully following your argument.

Edited 17 April, 20233 yr by sussamb

3 hours ago, Fux said:

2.0TSI is considerably more expensive to run:

 

- has worse gas mileage due to more horse power (I would consider 1.5TSI as already having a poor mileage while driving in town cause at just over 310miles I will get a low fuel warning on my 1.5TSI karoq)

- has worse gas mileage due to it being heavier cause of the 4x4 system

- regular maintenance and any potential repairs are more expensive due to 4x4 system

- have to pay more in taxes/fees cause of higher horse power/higher CO2 emissions engine

 

so, how much do you value having a little more power in your car? if you do not mind all the added extra cost and having to stop to refuel more often, than go for the 2.0TSI (and if you really need a 4x4, but how many people realistically do really?)

 

 

 

A higher power engine doesn't necessarily mean worse fuel consumption. Based on the official figure of cars with three different power outputs, the best consumption is frequently obtained from the middle power. The low power ones frequently have to be driven harde to  maintain progress.

 

The fourth point is only prtially true. At current prices the first year tax ranges from £0 to £2605, wich is based on CO2 emissions. However for subsequent years every vehicle pays the same £180. So, if you buy new, you get stung with a high emission car, but buying used you should only pay the £180.

20 hours ago, Schtum said:

Personally, I think tall cars / SUV's which are only FWD are silly.  How often have I read complaints from 1.5 TSI Karoq owners about wheel spin, especially on DSG models, when pulling out of junctions.   

A lot of that is due to Eco summer tyres fitted when new, whose grip falls off rapidly below about +10c in the wet or damp.

 

I spun them few times pulling out of junctions with 1 litre DSG (in drive, not sport).  I now use a set of winter tyres early Nov to late April, and never been able to spin them since.   
 

On 16/04/2023 at 18:58, Sanqhar said:

 

+1 re the paddles.  My chosen country road overtake is to drop two gears using the left paddle and then when I am done just hold the right paddle for a second and it goes back to the previous driving mode.

 

tom

 I was thinking about this yesterday morning as I drove to work.

I knocked the gearbox over into manual and dropped a gear as I approached the hill, then knocked it back into auto as I crested the top.

It worked a treat and just required a little though prior to the hill.

If I do it a few more times, it will become natural and I'll do it without thinking about it, like popping the gearbox into neutral as I come to a stop.

On 17/04/2023 at 11:46, Fux said:

2.0TSI is considerably more expensive to run:

More, but not necessarily considerably more.

On 17/04/2023 at 11:46, Fux said:

- has worse gas mileage due to more horse power (I would consider 1.5TSI as already having a poor mileage while driving in town cause at just over 310miles I will get a low fuel warning on my 1.5TSI karoq)

Hmmm. Horsepower and MPG are not causatively correlated. You can have very inefficient feeble engines, and very efficient powerful engines. My 2.0L TSI is pretty much the same economy as our old 1.2 Fabia, despite having around 3 times the power. (After the remap).

 

On 17/04/2023 at 11:46, Fux said:

- has worse gas mileage due to it being heavier cause of the 4x4 system

- regular maintenance and any potential repairs are more expensive due to 4x4 system

- have to pay more in taxes/fees cause of higher horse power/higher CO2 emissions engine

All true!

 

On 17/04/2023 at 11:46, Fux said:

so, how much do you value having a little more power in your car? if you do not mind all the added extra cost and having to stop to refuel more often, than go for the 2.0TSI (and if you really need a 4x4, but how many people realistically do really?)

That about sums it up. There's also a risk of buying a 1.5TSI kangaroo, if you're unlucky. Though that may have been sorted out now.

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/new-cars/2020-03/volkswagen-announces-fix-for-15-tsi-engine-hesitation-issues/

 

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like popping the gearbox into neutral as I come to a stop.

why?

Use auto-hold!

The brakes will be on and the clutches disengaged.