49 minutes ago, pinkpanther said:

Car is now more positive to drive in traffic and the throttle is easier to modulate a lower speeds - I've covered a few hundred miles with the new throttle setting and will stick with 'direct'👍 

Well done if you have cracked it, I assume you have tried slowing down as if approaching a junction or roundabout in 3rd or 4th gear, dipped the clutch to change down with no engine cutting out. 

23 hours ago, chieflordy said:

Well done if you have cracked it, I assume you have tried slowing down as if approaching a junction or roundabout in 3rd or 4th gear, dipped the clutch to change down with no engine cutting out. 

Not had that problem for a while as I think I've got used to the engines tendency to stall at lower revs, so tend to drive around the he issue and use more revs. 

 

Car feels more positive to drive with the alternate throttle setting though. 

18 minutes ago, pinkpanther said:

Not had that problem for a while as I think I've got used to the engines tendency to stall at lower revs, so tend to drive around the he issue and use more revs. 

 

Car feels more positive to drive with the alternate throttle setting though. 

Understood, I’ve been doing similar. Mainly popping it into neutral before the revs drop too low in a higher gear on the approach to a junction or roundabout and then select the gear I need from neutral, shouldn’t need to be driving like this though! If you find yourself on an empty piece of road, iI’d be interested to know the outcome if you slow down in higher gear and shift down to 1st or 2nd, ie if it still stalls when the revs drop as you press the clutch to shift down. 

On 29/10/2024 at 22:21, chieflordy said:

Understood, I’ve been doing similar. Mainly popping it into neutral before the revs drop too low in a higher gear on the approach to a junction or roundabout and then select the gear I need from neutral, shouldn’t need to be driving like this though! If you find yourself on an empty piece of road, iI’d be interested to know the outcome if you slow down in higher gear and shift down to 1st or 2nd, ie if it still stalls when the revs drop as you press the clutch to shift down. 

Yes - still stalls if the revs drop too low - suspect that aspect is a characteristic of this engine, which seems to not tolerate 'lugging' at lower revs? 

 

The throttle does however feel more positive and I find it easier to modulate, especially at lower speeds👍 

Always find these posts difficult to understand as our 2018 with the same engine has never stalled in the circumstances described, and both I and my wife drive it.

Edited 1 November, 20241 yr by sussamb

1 hour ago, sussamb said:

Always find these posts difficult to understand as our 2018 with the same engine has never stalled in the circumstances described, and both I and my wife drive it.

Issue with the EVO2 engine and the manual gearbox, easy way to tell it comes without an engine cover. Introduced maybe late 2022, also reports on other VAG car forums, ie T Roc etc with same EVO2 engine in manual.

14 hours ago, sussamb said:

Always find these posts difficult to understand as our 2018 with the same engine has never stalled in the circumstances described, and both I and my wife drive it.

 

This is the difference between Manual and DSG.

 

Not impossible to stall a DSG.  

I have been in an automatic (torque converter) that was stalled by a colleague.  To this day I have no idea how he did it.

 

tom

On 02/11/2024 at 11:15, Sanqhar said:

 

This is the difference between Manual and DSG.

 

Not impossible to stall a DSG.  

I have been in an automatic (torque converter) that was stalled by a colleague.  To this day I have no idea how he did it.

 

tom

 

Our Karoq is a manual ...

On 02/11/2024 at 10:15, Sanqhar said:

 

This is the difference between Manual and DSG.

 

Not impossible to stall a DSG.  

I have been in an automatic (torque converter) that was stalled by a colleague.  To this day I have no idea how he did it.

 

tom

The only occasion I had an Automatic (conventional or DSG) stall was as a result of a fault (idle control valve).

 

Not sure how an automatic would stall otherwise?

Hi all,

I experienced the same thing. Mine is a 2024 Skoda Kodiaq 2nd Gen, with a 1.5TSI DSG. When slowing down just before stopping, the engine cuts off, Revs drop to zero. It restarts when i come to a complete stop or step on the accelerator. 

 

The same thing occurs when on a highway. When my foot is off the accelerator, the engine cuts off and Revs drop to zero. I assume this is the Coasting mode/function. But I'm not sure about when at low speeds, is that the same function happening?

That is Stop / Start as you roll to a halt at low speed. Just touch the accelerator slightly to stop it happening, or disable Stop / Start maybe in town or at certain locations.

4 hours ago, Ootohere said:

That is Stop / Start as you roll to a halt at low speed. Just touch the accelerator slightly to stop it happening, or disable Stop / Start maybe in town or at certain locations.

Turning off the start-stop system does not get rid of this cutting out. Nor does the cutting-out happen only at low speed.  However, I agree with Ootohere on one point: cutting-out can be avoided by keeping the revs up. But as it cuts out when one foot is on the clutch and the other often on the brake approaching a junction, keeping the revs up requires toeing and heeling. OK for me but not for my wife who is the main driver.

 

Skoda documentation says that the start-stop system on a manual Karoq will operate when the car is stopped, the gear lever is in neutral, and the clutch pedal is released. But the engine cut-out that I and others experience meets none of these three conditions. It can happen when the car is moving, the car is not in neutral, and the clutch pedal is pressed down, not released.  Therefore the cutting-out is not caused by the correct operation of the start-stop system as described by Skoda, though it might possibly be a malfunction related to that system.

 

Ours is a manual car (2023 1.5 TSi Sportline). As coasting mode is provided only on the DSG, this is not a instance of coasting mode operation in my case.

 

Some people have said that when the engine cuts out they can re-start it by dipping the clutch. That is not my experience, for the simple reason that it cuts out when the clutch is already dipped.

 

As an aside, when I have reported this to a Skoda dealer (who of course said they were unaware of a problem) I have taken care to call it cutting out and avoid the word stalling, for two reasons: as soon as you say stalling they will dismiss it as driver error; and more fundamentally, a driver stalls a car when they raise the clutch pedal, not when they press it down, which is what happens to us.

 

Our car never did this for the first 18 months of its life. Then it happened with increasing frequency over a couple of months in the later part of last year. Again that suggests a developing fault, not normal operation. It happens to both me and my wife. Our driving styles are very different, so driving style is not likely to be the cause either.

 

There is an extensive thread on this from T-Roc owners, linked from page 1 of this thread.

 

Thinking about this, it seemed likely that for whatever reason, the engine management system was allowing revs to drop too low.  I first tried to resolve the problem by switching to Sport driving mode which is available on our Sportline. This alters the throttle mapping. Pinkpanther on this thread tried something similar by altering throttle mapping using Carista.

 

For us, Sport mode helped. Cutting out became much less frequent but was not totally eliminated.  My next guess was that one of the sensors that feeds data to the engine management system, or some other component related to idle speed (the idle control valve, as a total guess) had started to get sooted up after 18 months of use. My wife and I usually drive the car very gently.  It was time to see if hard use would help by clearing something out. Over half an hour or so I worked the engine as hard as possible, so the indicated power output showed 110kW, the engine oil temperature reached 110 degrees, and the revs were at 5000 whenever possible.

 

That was nearly three weeks ago and the cutting-out has not happened since, either in Sport or in Normal mode. Before that, it was happening every day or two.  For now, things are much improved. Of course, the problem might re-appear tomorrow.  We’ll see.

Edited 11 January, 20251 yr by mumpsim

^^^ That would be a manual then if there is a clutch pedal.  @KH2275 posted about a 1.5 TSI ACT DSG.  2024 Mk2 Kodiaq.

Edited 11 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

8 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

^^^ That would be a manual then if there is a clutch pedal.  @KH2275 posted about a 1.5 TSI ACT DSG.  2024 Mk2 Kodiaq.

And numerous other people in this thread and the T-Roc thread have posted about the problem on a manual. It happens to both.

@mumpsim The point is that @KH2275 has one behaving as designed to for Skoda to have the WLTP Certification on emissions. 

8 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@mumpsim The point is that @KH2275 has one behaving as designed to for Skoda to have the WLTP Certification on emissions. 

That may have been his point. I was addressing the much more prevalent complaints about cutting out, and complete failure to re-start, causing dangerous situations, as reported by many others.

@mumpsim  your Italian tune up solution is interesting. Do you use standard unleaded or one of the super unleadeds like Shell V power of BP Ultimate, which contain additives so they burn cleaner.

My 2018 1.5 TSI manual has cut out since new. It does not happen very often but as there is no warning it can be extremely dangerous e.g. entering a fast dual carriageway from a side turning this has happened on more than one occasions.

Some on here have tried to explain the fault as due to an individuals style of driving to me that is absolute rubbish. Having owned 40+ cars over 60 years it has never occurred on any other car.  I even feel more confident driving our 1936 Morgan  . What makes the situation worse is that neither the dealers nor VW group acknowledge that there is a problem. The Karok is the last VW group car we will ever buy

7 minutes ago, thamestrader said:

@mumpsim  your Italian tune up solution is interesting. Do you use standard unleaded or one of the super unleadeds like Shell V power of BP Ultimate, which contain additives so they burn cleaner.

We nearly always buy V-Power. Someone else (on the T-Roc thread?) thinks switching from E10 to E5 will solve the cutting-out problem. I don't.

 

27 minutes ago, Karock said:

My 2018 1.5 TSI manual has cut out since new. It does not happen very often but as there is no warning it can be extremely dangerous e.g. entering a fast dual carriageway from a side turning this has happened on more than one occasions.

Some on here have tried to explain the fault as due to an individuals style of driving to me that is absolute rubbish. Having owned 40+ cars over 60 years it has never occurred on any other car.  I even feel more confident driving our 1936 Morgan  . What makes the situation worse is that neither the dealers nor VW group acknowledge that there is a problem. The Karok is the last VW group car we will ever buy

 I agree with everything you say.

 

If I were you, living where you do with plenty of hills, I'd be tempted to take the car up the 4-mile ascent at 1 in 75 from Tebay northwards to Shap Summit, or some similar long climb, working the engine as hard as possible, and see whether it makes any difference in the following weeks.

Edited 11 January, 20251 yr by mumpsim

Thanks, for the suggestion. 

On 11/01/2025 at 22:13, Karock said:

 The Karok is the last VW group car we will ever buy

I can't agree with that. I still have my eye on a Bentley.... 🙂

If so why not buy a proper Bentley as made before 1931?

does it come with 2 zone air con and a CD player? 🙂

What do you expect for £500,000!