i think ur in denial mate, they are not supercars, take the data from that website, paste it into excell, then rank all the cars, by their 0-100 time, then look along at the power to weight ratio......... and loan behold, cars with a similar power to weight ratio have a similar 0-100, or is the octavia an exception as some of you guys own 1?

I assume you're talking to me...I'm not really in denial, and I'm also not getting drawn into a schoolyard argument about how fast my car is or isn't. I wasn't going to post in this thread, as these types of threads always, at some point, come down to petty arguing about who is right, and who is being wildly optimistic about the performance of their car. However, I had an opinion, and decided to post it.

Maybe I'm right, and maybe I'm not, but I firmly believe, that if I went out there now with a stopwatch, and a GPS for accurate speed meausurements, that I would reach the tonne in under 22 seconds. But at the end of the day, does it matter.

We all know that our cars are only as good as they are, and they are certainly not supercars. We also know that collectively, we have shocked a fair few cars over the years.

Cheers

Ventmore

:hooray:

pbirkett, not sure why your clapping,

dont think ur really reading the performance table correctly now are you,

ive acess to both a Fabia VRS, which i drive regularly and an ignis sport, yes the vrs is a nicer car, but as it cost some twice the amount of the ignis, im not surprised, and yes twice, when they were selling them for around

pbirkett, not sure why your clapping,

dont think ur really reading the performance table correctly now are you,

ive acess to both a Fabia VRS, which i drive regularly and an ignis sport, yes the vrs is a nicer car, but as it cost some twice the amount of the ignis, im not surprised, and yes twice, when they were selling them for around

Guys....there are standard cars here and cars erm in James case not so standard.

Comparisons:

RR day

Golf previoulsy read 264 @ Jabba - Comparison Day Read 208

Mine - Read 217

James - Read 290 odd wasn't it with the gas

So there are huge differences here in power hence the wild swing of times...

Stock; true nothing amazingly quick, add another 40 or 100 brake and well it's a different ball game.

2.5v6 vectra's cannot keep up with a tuned Octy, but then stock v tuned ain't a fair discussion either.

Octy will match the early Cupra R's Same as a tuned Octy will match an S3 uphill to a tonne...prooved in Wales on a test track

blah blah blah!

I am not interested in manufacturers figures which are either overly modest or overly ambitious depending on the specific case. I am more interested in timing done by members here and also those of car magazines with professional timing gear.

I stated I feel the figures are incorrect... this is a public forum, so if you dont like it, you know what you can do

Nobody said a standard Octavia was a Type R beater, but it is faster than that table suggests. It suggest a Focus ST170 is faster... I suggest you go to www.ffoc.co.uk and have a read about the ST170 and how many are down on power and performance. A standard Octy would eat one for breakfast. Heck even the Fabia would give it a lot to think about, and as you say its not even designed for 0-60's....

I urge you to read some roadtested figures for the Fabia if you dont believe that it is a faster car than a 1.5 litre Ignis... yes the Ignis will feel faster - I have already said that havent I? The top speed is a telling figure though... 115 mph v 128 mph (vRS)... so sorry I cant really believe it will beat the Fabia to 100, even though that aint what the Fabia is good at (I'm sure most will admit that).

As Ventmore says though, who cares? We know what our cars can and cant do... briskoda is not a chav "I burned off x y and z" forum... but it is intended for people to express their opinion and my opinion is that the figures on that table were calculated in an overly simplistic fashion by taking nothing more than possible (i.e. manufacturers) power, weight and gearing and nothing else... this in itself makes it fairly worthless as far as I'm concerned.

One other little point. The gearing is such on an octavia that you cannot achieve 100 mph in 3rd. So you can probably do 16-17 sec to 90/95 but the latter 5 seconds will be the first few mph in 4th. Those cars that can do really good 0-100 are either very powerful or can achieve it in 3rd. But what is more important is the distance it takes to get to 100 or there abouts. I was at santa pod the weekend before last, and watched a Merc 600 SL do mid to late 13's. Not really that impressive for around 400hp of car, but he was doing nearly 120 every time he passed the marker. My Volvo is a sub 15 second 1/4 miler and does it at 94-96 mph, but a mini cooper S can do 100 mph by the 1/4 but take 15 seconds + !?!?!?

Point is it doesn't matter that much all these figures. If you are happy with it then there is no need to justify it to yourselfs on paper !?

One other little point. The gearing is such on an octavia that you cannot achieve 100 mph in 3rd.

I think a lot of members would disagree with this. Apparently, it is capable of going well past the 100 in 3rd.

Completely agree about figures on paper though.

Cheers

Ventmore

some octavia vRS's did 100 in third...

....for everyone to play fair.

Good discussion...keep it coming...but play within the forum rules.

If you don't know the forum rules I suggest you check them out.

Cheers.

ventmore..

well the results arent implied, as they are derived from the manufacturer, and common sense wen you look at the power to weight ratios of other similar cars, i also dont think that stating the 0-60 at 7.83 is insulting, i think thats a very reasonable time for a family car. No your right its not the last time youll see me arguing a point, ive read all sorts on here bout octavias, 170+mph, Hmmm, so they can all outrun many ferraris, porsche? I am also giving a down to earth argument, as what im saying is based on figures, and im not bias like some of you as you own 1! At least you agree that a 2.5 vecra with similar power to weight ration will perform similarly 0-100, were getting somewhere now. If you find me an uno turbo thats up to power, or alternatively, look out a web forum, and challenge 1?

Also, ul not whop me in my own car, possibly a 200 quid uno.

As for focus st, is it not possible that these cars may be good off the line with traction? thus giving them good sprint times, maybe you were comparing octy's pick up when on the move to the ST? but its sprinting were talking bout.

COLIN D. Thanks, at last some sense, i agree, given that modded ones will be much better, but this thread still is about bog standard 180 brake

PBIRKETT. so why are manufacturers figures not correct? i take it them skoda are overly modest and everyone else ambitious, yeah right, the figures quotes are commonly averaged data from many runs, you seem to be quoting a figure derived from mayb 1 or 2 reps, once they are averaged out, youl probably find 0-60 as claimed by manufacturer, Do you know if any of the other test figures are usig identical conditions? not just like wet or dry?

I feel that the stated figures are correct, so if you dont like it, you know what to do

So an octavia would eat an ST? dont you mean maybe a car length to 100? cos by eating it id say 15 car lengths? I must try to fnd an ST at the weekend when im in the fabVRS, doubt very much id match it from a staning start up to 100.

And no, as ive experienced both cars, id stick with what i said that the ignis will pip the fabia 0-60, rolling start no, top end no, above 70, no, but 0-60 yes, as there are no traction probs, its much lighter, no torque to upset things, and is reasonably high revving., the fabia, heavier, doesnt have the gearing, and lots of torque.

Ive read many reports and have covered 1000's of miles in the fab, so i know what its capable of, dont think its better than 9 odd seconds to 60 tho.

VOLVO T5.. i totally agree, this guy has a fast car, will blow away an octavia!, now i dont think they do 100 in 3rd either, also, as long as your happy with your 21 second to 100 cars, thats all that matters.

VENTINGMORE... ok, so what does the manufacturer say it can do in 3rd, as way past 100 would mean like 110, 115?

Think i might need to request a test drive in one at the weekend, and see what they can do in 3rd......

I honestly dont know why some have to try and inflate their cars capabilities, if you have a 180 brake 5 seater family saloon, that does 0-60 faster than most at 7.83, i dont se whats wrong with that, claims of well under 6 secs, and over 170mph, are just silly.

Has anyone actually taken a standard 180 bhp Octavia vRS,raced it up to 100 and timed it? :ne_nau:

Chipped ones will be quicker to 100 but it means nothing to the average person,only those that get involved deeper and deeper in the dark(and strangely alluring since I have been on this site)world of performance enhancements.

There are some monster vRS's out there that will blow away virtually anything by the sound of it,but if it is a simple question of how quick is a standard 180 bhp non tweaked one,I go back to my first point.

As soon as someone does it and posts a 16.69 we will be back to the Autocar 'it had a chip, not fair' sceptics

It's best to leave this one for it will never ever be resolved and as has been said,doesn't matter really

Chris-P

please will you use paragraphs... it makes your post much easier to read.

T5's can do 100 in third. so can an octy if its rev limiter is "tweeked"

100-150 is a much more useful measure of how fast a car is...

Chris-P

please will you use paragraphs... it makes your post much easier to read.

T5's can do 100 in third. so can an octy if its rev limiter is "tweeked"

100-150 is a much more useful measure of how fast a car is...

S65 AMG 0-150mph circa 22 sec..IIRC.

the "john smiths" approch....

Alpina B7..."The Daddy" ...was about 4 secs slower to 150mph but a little bit quicker to 100mph.

Thread has moved on and my lowly skody basic vRS only does 146 according to the book

Well...I thought I'd go out and give it a go

After finding a suitably private track, I proceeded towards the tonne in 3rd gear...I got to 105mph before it seemed unwilling to go any further. However, this was on the speedo, and on checking the GPS, it turned out to be 98mph. So, in conclusion, the std. car can't quite reach 100mph in 3rd, or at least, not without bouncing off the limiter. I stand corrected, though to be fair, my info had came from other threads...still stand corrected though

Next up...0-100 with a change to 4th at around 90. Unfortunately, the only private piece of road I could find, does have a slight incline, but I'm afraid it was the best I could find. Anyway, I took it upto an indicated 106mph or thereabouts before I ran out of road, which only equated to 98.6mph on the GPS, but I got there in 20 secs.

Taking into account the slight incline, and the fact that I was shy 1.4mph, I'd be willing to bet that on a flat road, I could get it to 100mph in 20 secs.

I admit, that I never thought it felt that long, but hey...can't be right all the time

Cheers

Ventmore

in a fab or an octy?

in a fab or an octy?

Which do you think?

Rob.

in a fab or an octy?

Sorry......Octy vRS.

PBIRKETT. so why are manufacturers figures not correct? i take it them skoda are overly modest and everyone else ambitious' date=' yeah right, the figures quotes are commonly averaged data from many runs, you seem to be quoting a figure derived from mayb 1 or 2 reps, once they are averaged out, youl probably find 0-60 as claimed by manufacturer, Do you know if any of the other test figures are usig identical conditions? not just like wet or dry?

I feel that the stated figures are correct, so if you dont like it, you know what to do

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Well why have all of the magazines managed far less than 9.6 seconds for the Fabia then? 8.2 seems to be about the average most magazines will get - I'll grant you though that the 0-60 is the Fabia weakness, I could probably almost match it in my old Micra... after that though, absolutely no way on gods earth would it get close.

Same for other VAG cars. Have not seen any roadtests for the Octy vRS but the Ibiza 1.8 T FR usually gets about 7.3 to 60 as opposed to the 8.4 second claimed time. PD150 Golfs are shooting in at times as low as 7.3-7.9.

Nissan is another one, they claimed 12 seconds to 60 for the 1.3/4 Micras, it was easily 10, and again this was verirified by several roadtests. Granted it wasnt too good after that....

I have seen a few roadtests for the ST170 and have yet to see it do better than mid 8 to 60 despite the mid 7 they claim...

I really dont see how the Fabia vRS when remapped is slow, I had a bit of fun last night with a WRX SportsWagen (new shape), and it couldnt pull a cm on me, and i couldnt catch it, which I believe means my vRS is as quick as the slowest wrx scooby (not gx), I have also gone up against a CTR which didnt pull on me, a Clio 182, which I pulled a few lengths on and a VTS which I trounced, if that's not enough then my mates WRX STi PPP (300 bhp) & Scoobysport Exhaust only pulled 3 car lengths on me I would say to a ton.

0-60 maybe all of these cars could keep pace, but I have never once had a set of lights on a motorway or long stretch of A road, the only time i've had this was in a town and I won't go past 30 mph as im not an idiot.

I really dont see how the Fabia vRS when remapped is slow' date=' I had a bit of fun last night with a WRX SportsWagen (new shape), and it couldnt pull a cm on me, and i couldnt catch it, which I believe means my vRS is as quick as the slowest wrx scooby (not gx), I have also gone up against a CTR which didnt pull on me, a Clio 182, which I pulled a few lengths on and a VTS which I trounced, if that's not enough then my mates WRX STi PPP (300 bhp) & Scoobysport Exhaust only pulled 3 car lengths on me I would say to a ton.

0-60 maybe all of these cars could keep pace, but I have never once had a set of lights on a motorway or long stretch of A road, the only time i've had this was in a town and I won't go past 30 mph as im not an idiot.[/quote']

next time your at the travel agents.... get me the cuckoo land brocure too.. it sounds a greaty place to live...

Fabia's do not keep up with CTR / Scoobie etc. Octavias do.. and modified Octavias destroy them.

come on guys ... is it any wonder people roll their eyes at Fabia performance claims when WRX's are allegedly beaten......:eek:

ffelen----

maybe a tweaked one can but not unmodded

skodiRs-----

had a race with one of thoose big s class amg, yeah, evry very fast, what was the spec on the alpina again?

ventmore----

so is it safe to say that talking it to the red line in 3rd, and not the limiter, then into 4th could account for the 21.44?

pbirkett-----

but what is the average of the runs for each mag? what car in the 70's used to qoute worst best and mean